Delhomme!!
 

OK, it's WAY too quiet on here... time to stir up .

Last night Jake Delhomme went 18/29 (62%) for 273 yards and 1 TD in the playoffs against the league's best pass defense. He also led his team to victory. No surprise really, he did that 12 times this year and has SEVEN fourth quarter comebacks to his credit. At some point in the game they ran a piece on him where his coach, John Fox, said that he has "it". Fox said he couldn't really describe what "it" was, but it made Delhomme a great leader, the kind of guy his teammates want to be around and believe in.

I understand why. In his first year as a starter in this league, in 15.5 games, Delhomme went:
266/449 (59.2%) for 3,219 yards (7.17 yards per attempt), 19 TDs, 16 INTs with a QB rating of 80.6.

Brooks, in his first year as the starter after having a full year in the system and even starting 5 games the year before went:
312/558 (55.9%) for 3,832 yards (6.87 yardsper attempt), 26 TDs, 22 INTs with a QB rating of 76.4.

So in essence, Brooks was less efficient. Don't think that matters? Brooks' team was 7-9 and hasn't gotten much better since. Delhomme's team went 11-5 and won its first playoff game in 7 years last night. Also, unlike Brooks, Delhomme seems to be PROGRESSING. He's gotten better as the season progressed. You hear his teammates, coaches, and people around the league no longer talking about him as a guy who doesn't lose the game, but one who rallies the troops and wins in the 4th quarter.

Even this year, as Brooks completed his third full year as a starter, and in his best year all around as a QB, he still only completed 59.1% of his passes for 6.85 yards per attempt - numbers lower than Delhomme's first year totals. Of course, his QB rating is 88.8 on account of his 24 TDs and only 8 INTs. We all know that the efficiency rating does not take into account the league leading 11 fumbles lost. If so that 24 to 19 number probably drops his QB rating down to about 81.

And keep in mind, Brooks' offense is more explosive. YES!!! The Saints receivers did underachieve THIS YEAR. However, they certainly did not in '02 or '01. Further, the Saints offensive philosophy is geared at making big plays and winning the game for the defense. The Panthers' game plan on offense is far more conservative, run-oriented, and geared at helping the defense win the game. Still, in a QB friendly offense, Brooks cannot do what Delhomme can do.


So, tell me again why we let Delhomme go and kept AB? I can't wait to hear Billy's perspective on all this. Bottom line Billy - chalk up one more boneheaded move for Haslett and Co., b/c we kept the wrong QB.

[Edited on 4/1/2004 by WhoDat]

[Edited on 4/1/2004 by JOESAM2002]

Delhomme!!
 

Why did I know this was coming? Please , just keep it clean!

Delhomme!!
 

:D

Oh dear! That\'s one way to stir things up.

Anyway - has anyone seen BillyC and AB in the same place at one time (or are they one and the same). joke! :cool:

Delhomme!!
 

Time to get the big spoon out .......

In addition to Who Dats excellent post , I can only add this one achievement .

Delhomme CAR 273 29 18 1 0 70 104.5

Seems like a good rating , now consider it is post season .

Jake Delhomme just went down in N.F.L. history .

Yes , Saints fans that 104.5 rating is a Post season top 5 rating .

Delhomme earned his mark next to Joe Montana in Post season play .

Pretty good for a quarterback that Haslett considered not good enough to start against the Bungles 2 years ago ..... :hallucine:

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Good twist on this 08.

I couldn\'t agree more that Delhomme should be listed as a Haz error. If we\'re going to pay Bouman a ridiculous salary for a back-up, why couldn\'t we fork it over for Delhomme? That seems to be an error that goes right to the GM. Hmmmm...

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Yeah AB beat Dallas too.
Scoreboard
let\'s see Delbonne knock out the defending SB champs

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WhoDat --

How \'bout Stephen Davis? Look what he did against the #1 defense. If only we had Davis. Deuce couldn\'t do squat against Dallas. Looks like we need to trade Deuce and get someone like Stephen Davis.

Carolina would be a playoff caliber team with any average QB. They have a good defense, offense, special teams, coaches. Delhomme is just their Trent Dilfer.

This is somewhat amusing, but just another futile attempt to prove NOTHING..

[Edited on 5/1/2004 by BillyC]

Delhomme!!
 

It\'s the call to the post! Jockeys to you mounts! The \"Dead Horse Derby is about to begin!\" The truth is 8-8,9-7 this team is average at best! It ain\'t the players. This ain\'t almost the most talented team we\'ve ever had. In my opinion it is, by far the most talented team we\'ve ever had. It is also the poorest coached team we\'ve ever had. At this point I\'d almost vote to bring back Ditka?????????? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! We need coaching that will bring out the best and the beast in this team.

Delhomme!!
 

I\'ll tell ya what. I\'m so frustrated with Haslett and this coaching staff, I\'m not even looking foward to next season. Well.........maybe a little bit, but NO ONE will ever make me believe that we are not a much better team than our record.

I suppose if we give Haslett enough time that he will eventually get us in the playoffs, but how long is that going to take? I\'ll bet that we have some players on this roster that are very good, if not great players, that will never reach their potential under Haslett.

JoeSam joked about bringing back Ditka. Well, as far as I\'m concerned, I have more faith in Ditka. Or, at least as much. I truely believe that Haslett has lost the respect or the players. I don\'t totally blame Haslett though. I TOTALLY blame Tom Benson.

I don\'t claim to know how to run a football orginization, but DAMN, when is it enough?

There are 2 things I would love to know.

1. Exactly how much untapped talent do we have?
2. Exactly how much is coaching holding this team back.

Because I believe our coaching is so bad, I can\'t point the finger at any player.

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I think it is important to note this momentous occasion! This is a Br :cool: :cool: ks thread that has been hijacked to an anti-Haz thread!!!! Well, not exactly, but we can always hope...

Here, here, BillyC (and of course everyone who said this before)! I agree. Haz is our cancer this time around. However, Ditka screwed us; Haz is just holding us back. I\'m not sure that I was every that fond of Ditka after the first six games he was with us.

I would love a new coach, but it looks like we\'re not going to get it. I\'m not sure what it takes to be a good coach, but I do believe that here is a sign that you aren\'t: each year at least one, often more, truly excellent player leaves and is branded a locker room cancer. This just shows that the coach doesn\'t know how to manage the babies he\'s been put in charge of. That, at least, is part of his job.

Delhomme!!
 

Wow Billy, you\'re starting to sound like me! ;) Now do you understand why I said what I said at the beginning of this season? Seriously, no crap, I\'m just saying I was at the point you seem to be at now at the end of LAST season. You colored me negative, but I think I just saw this staff and this team for what it was.

Honestly, I just started this thing about Delhomme b/c I knew it would start talk and there hasn\'t been much on this board for a while. You\'re right though, Haz is definitely the problem, not Brooks.

I will say this though, both quarterbacks in question COMPLETELY embody the teams that they play for. Delhomme is undertalented and overacheives. The guy plays with heart and people believe. Brooks is overtalented and underacheives with a lazy demeanor and approach to the game. Sound like the Saints to you? I guess that\'s the part that hurts the most to me. What this team really needs is a leader who will inspire them and bring them to the next level. Maybe it isn\'t fair to ask Brooks to be that guy just b/c QBs tend to be the best leaders elsewhere, or b/c his former backup is that kind of guy. The thing that frustrates me the most is that we gave up a player that could be an emotional leader on this team who had the one thing we need most: heart. Now, we\'re stuck going 8-8 and smiling about it. (hey we all express our anger differently right? ;) )

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I was frustrated at the end of last season also. But the team played well for a huge portion of last season. They failed down the stretch, but we had Brooks and Deuce both injuried. I think winning masks a lot of problems with a team and last year, I didn\'t pay as much attention to things like McCarthy\'s play calling. I also gave Haslett a free pass on the players he shipped out of town. It was hard for me to find too much fault in the coaching staff, when we are leading the NFC in scoring....

As far as Jake goes.............. Well, he plays with emotion, but emotion is only going to get you so far. I really don\'t see Jake as being anything other than an average QB. I could be wrong about that. Would it really surprise anyone if Jake had a bad year next season? It wouldn\'t surprise me. Jake has a long way to go IMO.

In any event, Brooks is a better QB RIGHT NOW than Delhomme is. Jake has had a few good games, but that\'s about it. Jake clearly has not carried this Carolina team, but has managed it well. That\'s not the kind of QB that I desire.

I do see why you felt the way you did heading into this season though WhoDat. My apologies for giving you a hard time. I didn\'t say I was going to stop giving you a hard time though. I\'ll continue to give you hell, when I can... ;) I love a good arguement... :D

Delhomme!!
 

Like Baltimore did anything after Dilfer left ???

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One QB for a particular team & offense may not work for another team. Also, a team w/ so many fumbles and turnovers won\'t win games no matter who is running the show.
Maybe Brooks isn\'t a good leader. Maybe he can\'t pump the team up.

I think he\'s a talented QB who just needs to pull it together. Coaching may be the problem.

Delhomme!!
 

Hey WhoDat, you can be negative and still be right! ;)

I enjoy the ways in which all you yahoo\'s express your anger... I think I like Brooks\'... :D

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Badshirt

Brooks could be one of the great all time sandlot football quarterbacks . He can improvise and throw on the run . In a day when offenses are geared towards precision passing on a timed route and a quarterback needs to make all the throws , Brooks comes up short .

Brooks may have already peaked as an N.F.L quarterback .

For the position that the standard has been , consistency , leadership and talent , Brooks seems to be missing some main pieces to the Brooks quarterbacking puzzle .

The N.F.L. scouting report on Brooks read :
What the scouts are saying . . .

AFC scout: \"He\'s not a detail guy. I get the feeling that Brooks isn\'t a worker or a studier. That scares you for a guy who\'s going to get barely any practice reps and will have to learn in the classroom.\"

NFC scout: \"Maybe there\'s some hope for him as a wide receiver. He\'s a great athlete. Horrible quarterback.\"

Delhomme!!
 

Well Billy, if we\'re worried about RIGHT NOW then I ask you this - coming into this season did you feel we had the weapons to go to the Super Bowl? I certainly did. But not the leadership or coaching. So if you can sacrifice a guy who MAY BE a star DOWN THE LINE for a guy who is efficent and smart and a LEADER RIGHT NOW, then I do it. I wouldn\'t trade Brooks for Delhomme right now, but I would have at the beginning of the season. We don\'t need a QB who can do it himself on this team. It certainly doesn\'t hurt, but especialy coming into the season I thought all we needed was a guy to deposit the ball to all of our weapons and make as few mistakes as possible. We\'ll see what happens - that\' sall that we can do right now. Maybe Brooks\' problems do stem from poor coaching... or maybe he\'s just dumb. ;)