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strato 08-21-2011 12:10 AM

New Orleans Saints defense struggles in 27-14 loss to Texans
 
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HOUSTON -- Two games into the preseason, the only thing that can be said for certain about the New Orleans Saints defense is that it won't be as good as it looked in Week 1, and it won't be as bad as it looked in Week 2.

In a span of eight days, the defense went from a dominant performance to a disastrous one. They gave up 24 points and 323 yards in the first half of Saturday night's 27 to 14 loss to the Houston Texans Although it was the kind of performance that comes with the usual "it's only the preseason" disclaimer, Coach Sean Payton said, "there's no way to sugarcoat a game like that."
"They whipped us," Payton said. "Obviously, it wasn't real good. We've got a lot to do to improve. There will be some valuable lessons learned from this game.
"Fortunately it's a preseason game, however, it's getting closer and closer to the start of the regular season."
Instead of the sacks the Saints piled up last week against San Francisco, this game was rife with missed tackles

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ChrisXVI 08-21-2011 12:35 AM

My observations from the game...

Like the play-by-play guys said... this was all one big bluff by Sean Payton running the most vanilla offense possible so that they wouldn't give away too many offensive ideas before we meet the Texans in the regular season. We'll break out the real plays in September and they won't know what hit them because they'll think they have our number. I mean, for god's sake... since when have we been a run first offense like we were tonight (and yes I'm just talking about the Brees era.)

With that being said, Brees sucked. I don't like this new trend of being nervous when Brees is in the shotgun formation with 5 receivers. Maybe it's not Drew's fault because Bushrod and Strief sucked too. JJ Watt made Strief look like a *****. Jabari Greer sucked. Paul Oliver was just flat-out embarassing... seeing as how the saints brought in a banged up Malcolm Jenkins just to get Oliver the hell out of there. I haven't seen that many missed tackles since... Well, the playoff loss to Seattle.

|Mitch| 08-21-2011 12:56 AM

What team did this Paul Oliver come from again?

Marlboro Man 08-21-2011 06:54 AM

While the play calling may have been vanilla, it still shows that this team has some major problems that need to be addressed.

Problems like:
A) Drew Brees' lack of ball security. Brees is a 10 yr. vet and starting with last year, there is no excuse for 22 INT's, and no excuse for that fumble last night. Even POP Warner players know to protect the ball and take the sack in situations like that, and Brees knows better than that, so no excuse.

B) The O-Line really looks bad. After the big payday Evans has dropped to mediocrity, Krutez looks worse than any C we've ever had and Bushrod, well let's just say he hasn't improved and I for one am not surprised.

C) I have to say that I'm still underwhelmed by Mark Ingram. I've watched a lot of really good to great backs in my time and I just don't see it with this kid. I think he's getting a lot of mileage from the media because they don't want to admit to another poor choice in a RB again. When Ivory gets back, you're gonna see just how underwhelming Ingram is. I still hope I'm proven wrong because I love my Saints and don't want us to have shifted again on a 1st round pick.

I could go on and list every position on this team but I don't feel like wasting anymore of my time on it. This team for whatever reason has lost their groove or desire or whatever you want to call it. I just hope they can find it before the season starts. At least I got to see them win a championship in my lifetime so anything else is just lagniappe.

Saint_LB 08-21-2011 07:18 AM

This is why I hate the preseason so much. Is it true that Payton is trying to hide things. Sounds reasonable. Would he go as far as tell his guys to slack off? Doubtful although this is the guy that started the 2nd half of a Superbowl with an onside kick.

I'll finish this by reminding everyone that the '67 Saints finished 5-1 in preseason. (Yeah...6 games, you know I loved that)

Can you imagine the anticipation of a novice NFL fan going into the season with a preseason like that? I've been this way about preseason ever since.


Oh, yeah... They finished 3-11 in '67.

xan 08-21-2011 07:36 AM

I commented in chat last night, and now, on further reflection, it seems like this game was a "just get out of there healthy" affair. Only the barely competent 3rd stringers were giving much effort.

Mardigras9 08-21-2011 08:26 AM

Preseason is trial and error for all aspects. We just need to eliminate the negative aspects we are seeing. I think the first teamers will learn from that wipping and be better for it.

homerj07 08-21-2011 07:02 PM

Preseason or not...

I WILL ADMIT - the lack of tackeling was upsetting

gandhi1007 08-21-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 321950)
My observations from the game...

JJ Watt made Strief look like a *****. Jabari Greer sucked.


Uhmmmm.......that was Bushrod Watt was beating like a drum. Strief looked decent against Mario Williams. As for Greer........horrible. Looked like Jason David out there.

homerj07 08-21-2011 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Saint_LB (Post 321992)
This is why I hate the preseason so much. Is it true that Payton is trying to hide things. Sounds reasonable. Would he go as far as tell his guys to slack off? Doubtful although this is the guy that started the 2nd half of a Superbowl with an onside kick.

I'll finish this by reminding everyone that the '67 Saints finished 5-1 in preseason. (Yeah...6 games, you know I loved that)

Can you imagine the anticipation of a novice NFL fan going into the season with a preseason like that? I've been this way about preseason ever since.


Oh, yeah... They finished 3-11 in '67.

Slacking off gets you hurt!!

Maverick2299 08-21-2011 07:23 PM

Strief was not blocking against Mario every down, He plays OLB now they had him all over the place.I saw him attack the middle, the outside and even help cover WR.

joker-saint 08-22-2011 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 321950)
My observations from the game...

Like the play-by-play guys said... this was all one big bluff by Sean Payton running the most vanilla offense possible so that they wouldn't give away too many offensive ideas before we meet the Texans in the regular season. We'll break out the real plays in September and they won't know what hit them because they'll think they have our number. I mean, for god's sake... since when have we been a run first offense like we were tonight (and yes I'm just talking about the Brees era.)

With that being said, Brees sucked. I don't like this new trend of being nervous when Brees is in the shotgun formation with 5 receivers. Maybe it's not Drew's fault because Bushrod and Strief sucked too. JJ Watt made Strief look like a *****. Jabari Greer sucked. Paul Oliver was just flat-out embarassing... seeing as how the saints brought in a banged up Malcolm Jenkins just to get Oliver the hell out of there. I haven't seen that many missed tackles since... Well, the playoff loss to Seattle.

Strief was playing right tackle and is fairly new at that position. Maybe he should stick to left? Bushrod definitely seemed out of his element. Not his typical style of play. Pretty embarrassing to see him on his face so close to scoring in the red zone.

st thomas 08-22-2011 02:32 PM

[QUOTE=|Mitch|;321961]What team did this Paul Oliver come from again?[/QUOTE
he came from the chargers and he was there for awhile.

st thomas 08-22-2011 02:35 PM

i know we gave it away that we are going to screen with sproles often. man we need to get that fixed quick. it costed downs by the dozen.

crawgator 08-22-2011 04:24 PM

Have to remember we play these guys in the regular season... There was no Blitz package for this game... The was nothing special at all.... Most teams do this if they play each other in the regular season... Not Worried..

darstep 08-22-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crawgator (Post 322530)
Have to remember we play these guys in the regular season... There was no Blitz package for this game... The was nothing special at all.... Most teams do this if they play each other in the regular season... Not Worried..

I was hoping to have less or no blitz packages so I could see these guys play straight up, and stop the run. Texans whipped that ask...and good. Missed tackles galore, cut back lanes wider than I-10. You can't stack eight on a good team anyway, you just have to play man-up. We didn't get it done. Didn't stop the run or the pass. 1 deer in the headlights sack. By the way, wasn't too impressed with the 49er effort everyone was ranting about - giving up almost 5yds a pop even if you discount the backup QB romping for nearly 60. This week its about 6.5 ypc. Pitiful. Perhaps its just a setup, smoke and mirrors to throw everybody off.

gandhi1007 08-22-2011 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maverick2299 (Post 322205)
Strief was not blocking against Mario every down, He plays OLB now they had him all over the place.I saw him attack the middle, the outside and even help cover WR.


The point was.....Strief held his own against one of the league's premiere pass rushers. Bushrod got beat like he stole something.....by a rookie!

strato 08-22-2011 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 322562)
The point was.....Strief held his own against one of the league's premiere pass rushers. Bushrod got beat like he stole something.....by a rookie!


J.J Watt aint no ordinary rookie...he does that everyone..nobody on the Texans roster can block him in practice...and ours either apparently.. We better get ready for him again...because he is coming.

Danno 08-22-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 322565)
J.J Watt aint no ordinary rookie...he does that everyone..nobody on the Texans roster can block him in practice...and ours either apparently.. We better get ready for him again...because he is coming.

Yep, from what I hear on sports radio, he's a top candidate for DROY. The kid looks to be the real deal.


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