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saintsfan1976 09-08-2011 07:34 AM

Why we win / Why we lose
 
It's time to tap the infinite wisdom of our members. Let's hear three reasons why you think we win or lose tonight.

Win -

Sacks, hurries, knockdowns are limited. Protect Brees!

Run the ball down their throats. I mean 120yds or more.

Malcolm Jenkins has an interception.


Lose -

Minus in the turnover category.

3 and out on the first three drives.

Rodgers is allowed to make plays with his feet.

RailBoss 09-08-2011 07:39 AM

You got it protect Brees and the Defense has to perform at a high level.

Danno 09-08-2011 07:48 AM

Why we win...
Turnovers
Our O-line
Our D-line

Why we lose...
Turnovers
Our O-line
Our linebackers

44Champs 09-08-2011 08:02 AM

why we win
we score more points than they do

why we lose
we score less points than they do

:) I couldn't resist

Beastmode 09-08-2011 08:54 AM

Lose: Lack of pressure from the base defense.

Win: Ingram and PT silence the crowd.

Crusader 09-08-2011 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 327580)
why we win
we score more points than they do

why we lose
we score less points than they do

:) I couldn't resist

Thats what it comes down to. I take a win in whatever way it will come.

saintsfan1976 09-08-2011 09:06 AM

C'mon now. You guys aren't playing by the rules....

Budsdrinker 09-08-2011 09:17 AM

We usually struggle against a 3-4 defense and normally it's because Brees and Payton aren't patient enough to just take what the defense will give. If we take what the defense will give which will likely be short yardage plays and not try to force the ball downfield we will win. Sure we can take an occaisional shot down the field but to win this game we need to run the ball and take the dump off passes not force a throw into double coverage or stand in the pocket too long waiting for a play to develop.

xan 09-08-2011 09:18 AM

Why we win:

Brees protects the ball
Defense forces GB out of running game
Secondary actually tries to tackle instead of diving trip

Why we lose
Any failure of one of the above

Cory9289 09-08-2011 09:35 AM

Win:
Brees
Takeaways/sacks
Special teams

Lose:
Brees
O-line
Special teams

Beastmode 09-08-2011 09:43 AM

I missed the criteria of 3 reasons,

Lose: Lack of pressure from the base defense.
Kicking. Kasay misses beyond the 35 more than once
Fumbling. Ingram is a rookie.

Win: Ingram and PT silence the crowd.
GW gambles and wins. Turnover.
Penalties. GB gets flagged on critical 3rd downs

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Danno 09-08-2011 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 327610)
Kicking. Kasay misses beyond the 35 more than once


I totally forgot about Kasey.:mad:

That is a major worry for me. I just hope it doesn't come down to a kick.

Mardigras9 09-08-2011 10:01 AM

Have to establish the run, and have to stop there run. Otherwise Rogers picks us apart or Brees picks them apart.

homerj07 09-08-2011 10:13 AM

the run game REALLY needs to be on tonight!! At LEAST 120 yrds. That will take pressure off Drew

jcp026 09-08-2011 10:30 AM

Run the ball. Stop the run. Don't turn the ball over.

SaintsRule11 09-08-2011 10:41 AM

Why we win:

A player we weren't expecting makes a huge play (think Sproles getting a touchdown on a screen pass).
2 or more sacks and 2 or more takeaways
John Kasay does what is expected of him
Drew Brees completes over 65% of his passes

Why we lose:
Trouble stopping the run
Trouble protecting Brees

the-commish 09-08-2011 10:47 AM

I think being able to run the football (and keep Rodgers off the field) is exceptionally critical. The Saints probably have the biggest offensive line in the NFL (maybe the biggest in the history of football), so the ground game against the Packers should be key.

cmike 09-08-2011 11:33 AM

Win:
Team goes back to 2009-2010 pregame chant. S**t gets team hype.


Lose:
We stick with that off beat crap from last year.

foreverfan 09-08-2011 11:38 AM

We're going to win with great offense and great defense.

We are not going to lose. It won't happen. Enough said.

st thomas 09-08-2011 11:50 AM

P.T.-- -- 45 yds rushing
18 yds recieving
ingram --66 yds rushing
14 yds recieving
sproles--28 yds rushing
47 yds recieving
218 all purpose
brees----268 passing
486 yds total
green bay-359 total yds
and when i wake up in that S%$t hole with chickin heads swaying in the dark and the voo-do lady after me she also said rogers will have some type of foot injury early that caused a fumble recovery by NEW ORLEANS,it all comes true saints offense pounds out the win in a slugfest 37-34

pinch 09-08-2011 12:06 PM

In order for us to win I think we absolutely have to get early and often pressure on Rodgers. If he has any time at all I believe he will carve us up.

We also have to catch the football. Our offense is designed to march up and down the field but along the way we'll have lots of 3rd and shorts. This has routinely been the area where we could on Lance Moore, but without him we'll need Colston, Meachem, & Henderson to step-up. Colston has had the dropsies the last couple of seasons and we all know that Henderson isn't very reliable in the short-passing game.

We need our WRs to catch EVERYTHING thrown their way tonight if we expect to keep drives going and run down the clock.

SapperSaint 09-08-2011 12:14 PM

Win:
Running Game
Defense and Secondary
Play Calling

Lose:
Play Calling (Giving up on ground Game)
If we get behind 2 scores (Running Game disapears)
Defense is not as good as we hope/think it is

SaintsBro 09-08-2011 12:18 PM

TO WIN -- these are exactly the same as any game in the current Saints era:

- the "chess match" of Drew moving the opposing defense around the field to where he wants them, then exploiting it (Clay Matthews, the Packer secondary, etc)
- offensive line shows up
- Payton coming up with something unpredictable that works - going for it on 4th, onside kick, 3 TDs by the unknown fullback, etc

LOSE - these are exactly the same as any game in the current Saints era

- Drew with the turnovers, "forcing" it too much
- sloppy tackling
- poor special teams

Euphoria 09-08-2011 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 327580)
why we win
we score more points than they do

why we lose
we score less points than they do

:) I couldn't resist

Yes but there is a lot of truth to this than one would think.

I don't care how or what... or even ughly.
Win - no matter how we have to win... when the smoke clears the score showing us with more points gets us the win.

Rugby Saint II 09-08-2011 12:38 PM

Win-No turnovers.....Oline protects......Dline applies pressure consistently
Lose-Lose containment on Rodgers....Turnovers......Unable to protect Drew

saintfan 09-08-2011 12:39 PM

The other team's QB must go down, and he must go down hard.

We need to run for 100+ and we need to get pressure on Rodgers. I think it's that simple.

The Dude 09-08-2011 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 327563)
It's time to tap the infinite wisdom of our members. Let's hear three reasons why you think we win or lose tonight.

Win -

Sacks, hurries, knockdowns are limited. Protect Brees!

Run the ball down their throats. I mean 120yds or more.

Malcolm Jenkins has an interception.


Lose -

Minus in the turnover category.

3 and out on the first three drives.

Rodgers is allowed to make plays with his feet.

Yea if we dont run the ball more than 120 yds we are screwed. With all the backs we have if we dont run for more than 120 yds combined something is very very wrong. If we dont run the ball more than 120 yds tonight we will not win a game the rest of the season thats for sure. ONE of our backs needs to run the ball for 120yds.


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