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SmashMouth 09-10-2011 11:24 AM

Harper on the decline?
 
I recall a few plays during the GB game that reminded me of the Seattle game. I sure hope it's not a trend, but it's starting to look like Harper's better days are behind him. The jury is still out of course. Might it be time to consider Sharper or another safety before there are other injuries on other teams?

strato 09-10-2011 11:25 AM

Cant cover period...good against the run..thats it http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../deadhorse.gif

dizzle88 09-10-2011 11:43 AM

I remember him covering Dallas Clark in the super bowl doing okay

I remember him covering Visante Shiancoe in the opening game of 2010 and shutting him down, after that point hes gone downhill.

i like that he can hit and he is a great blitzer but the whole secondary was a glaring weakness for us, it needs to be fixed. Robinson looked like an absolute goat out there, rodgers just couldnt wait to throw to his side for big play after big play.

crawgator 09-10-2011 11:45 AM

I think Harper drives to these games in A clown Car. The kind you open the door and 30 clowns come running out, going in circles not knowing where they are going... Cause this guy plays like that on the field... If every play was a run play then this guy would be a pro bowler every year.. But dam man he can't cover in pass defense..

foreverfan 09-10-2011 11:46 AM

Sharper or Harper... that is the question?

MorningWood 09-10-2011 11:52 AM

He actually had good coverage on some of those plays he got "beat" on. Rodgers just threw the ball to the perfect spot.

Danno 09-10-2011 11:54 AM

Papz found a great stat once that showed Harper was one of the best DB's in the league at allowing the least amount of yards to TE's.

I think too many people think SS's should be able to cover as well as CB's.

Quote:

"You have a two year pro bowl player that is back that is young that is continuing to improve, continuing to get better. A lot was said about his last game and its unfortunate you guys don't know much about ball.

All you guys that criticized him for two plays in that last game...you're dead wrong. Because he played pretty well except for two plays. He played poorly on two plays but I could say that about 99% of them out there.

OK? I'm really happy that Roman Harper is back . WE NEED HIM HERE. I'll be a better coach and we will be a better team because Roman Harper is back here."-Gregg Williams

strato 09-10-2011 11:56 AM

Just cover a TE that's all we ask ..and turn around for christ sake..Believe me i want him to succeed with all the money we have invested in him..:bng:

neugey 09-10-2011 12:16 PM

I also thought he actually had good coverage on most plays, just has to get his head turned around. It's a guessing game, strong safety isn't the easiest position to play I'm sure.

homerj07 09-10-2011 12:27 PM

WIll SMith comes back & the D line gets more pressure it will help out the DBs.

Football 101 - put pressure on the QB (Oh & turnovers, that would be nice!!)

Pete 09-10-2011 02:10 PM

2 out of the 3 passes that I remember directed at him were on the money and wasn't going to be defended by pretty much anybody.My main complaint is all of the picks he's done dropped!He could've had a pick six in this last game!(As long as S.Bradford wasn't hot on his trail) :doh: The secondary will "be-gellin" soon.Where was the help underneath?As long as he keeps delivering bone jarring hits on opposing QB's I'm good!Sic em' HARPER!

lumm0x 09-10-2011 02:22 PM

I think Gregg Williams summed it up. Harper had 2 really bad plays and so did everyone else on the defense. Harper has a lot of steady and capable plays. Green Bay just had too many weapons for us to deal with and some of the ones they made the perfect play indefensible.

Harper and Jenkins is a very good tandem. I don't think we could do better with anyone available. We need to play the cards we were dealt and I am sure we will be singing his praises at times this year.

NinthWardJay 09-10-2011 03:28 PM

Wasn't Harper playing with a broken hand?

jcp026 09-10-2011 03:36 PM

I like Roman Harper, but I don't know why we can't have someone else on the field, Sharper, in obvious passing situations. I was listening to Fox and Company the other day and they said that since Harper was caught from behind by Bradford, he hasn't been the same guy. I think other defenses know just how slow he is now and are going to take advantage of it.

FinSaint 09-10-2011 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinthWardJay (Post 328887)
Wasn't Harper playing with a broken hand?


Yeah that was exactly what I was thinking also. Harper had good coverage on couple of the throws - like already mentioned - and I can't blame the guy for not making a pick 6 with a broken hand.

Rodgers placed the ball really well on almost all of his throws, which made the Saints' secondary seem more vulnerable than it probably was. Also, I think Greer made some nice plays as well, forcing a 3 and out, so it's not all as gloomy as we might want to think now.

When discussing the point of whether Harper or Sharper would be better... I have to say Harper 100% because I have no glue as to what Sharper is capable of today. But if someone has f.e. info on his training sessions with the Patriots that points to him being at least close to the 2009 form than I'd be happy if the Saints brought him along. But, in any case, he'd backup Jenkins and not start as the SS.

AlaskaSaints 09-10-2011 05:19 PM

On subject of thread:

I been sayin'...!!!!!!

Alaska

Cory9289 09-10-2011 05:21 PM

Harper = Beast

Gtfo haters.

papz 09-10-2011 05:26 PM

I thought Harper was right on his man even on the completions. Tight coverage and perfect throws. We're beating the dead horse on this over and over. We can throw all sorts of numbers out there showing his a solid in coverage, his accolades, what our coaches have said about how much he means to our team, yadda yadda yadda... it's all for naught.

One of the first things that comes to mind when one thinks of Roman Harper is Seattle. And from there, generalizations are made. The man could have a sack, a FF, and a couple of batted balls but if a TE caught a few passes on him... that's what they're going to focus on. He's in a no win situation when it comes to our fanbase.

I think I'm going to go back and book mark a few Harper threads and just bump it every single week. It'll save us all a lot of time as it's becoming a broken record. Everything has been said... over and over.

Pete 09-10-2011 05:33 PM

The play on the possible pick 6 he didn't look back soon enough,but he was in great position to get the pick in a perfect world;It wasn't that close actually.He had to brace his fall all game with that broken hand too.That would have to hurt more than catching a football!
I just wish he had softer hands thats all.

Maybe this is the year they finally soften up!

jeanpierre 09-10-2011 10:13 PM


Just some observations, watch the marks at -

1:49 Rodgers to Finley with coverage by he who shall not be named

1:57 Rodgers to Cobb with coverage by wait, wait, wait for it

2:36 Starks drags a person of interests into the end zone

5:20 Rodgers is finally sacked by Junyah as the blitzer seems unable to bring the QB down on his own; referees who generally are proactive to protect the QB with the "in the grasp" call weren't convinced either until Junyah closed the deal...

5:50 Graham shows the fire that the Defense seemed to lack

SmashMouth 09-10-2011 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 328975)
Saints vs Packers Highlights - Week 1 9/8/11 Opening Day NFL (2011-12) HD - YouTube

Just some observations, watch the marks at -

1:49 Rodgers to Finley with coverage by he who shall not be named

1:57 Rodgers to Cobb with coverage by wait, wait, wait for it

2:36 Starks drags a person of interests into the end zone

What a workaholic ... studying film just like Brees... just to better illustrate a growing consensus! :bng:

Danno 09-10-2011 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 328975)
Just some observations, watch the marks at -

1:49 Rodgers to Finley with coverage by he who shall not be named

1:57 Rodgers to Cobb with coverage by wait, wait, wait for it

2:36 Starks drags a person of interests into the end zone

5:20 Rodgers is finally sacked by Junyah as the blitzer seems unable to bring the QB down on his own; referees who generally are proactive to protect the QB with the "in the grasp" call weren't convinced either until Junyah closed the deal...

5:50 Graham shows the fire that the Defense seemed to lack

Wow, so they score 42 points and you highlight 3 pays involving Harper.

At 1:49 Harper is draped all over Finley, a perfect pass is the only reason its completed.

At 2:36 Starks runs thru a truck sized hole at the LOS, no LB within 5 yards, Jenkins wiffs on the tackle, and Starks hits Harper at full speed inside the 5 and you wanna blame Harper for that? Wow.

So basically you've shown exactly 1 play that Harper really looked bad on. The Packers score 42 points, and you have one play.

I guess Gregg Williams was right.

foreverfan 09-10-2011 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 328975)
Saints vs Packers Highlights - Week 1 9/8/11 Opening Day NFL (2011-12) HD - YouTube

Just some observations, watch the marks at -

1:49 Rodgers to Finley with coverage by he who shall not be named

1:57 Rodgers to Cobb with coverage by wait, wait, wait for it

2:36 Starks drags a person of interests into the end zone

5:20 Rodgers is finally sacked by Junyah as the blitzer seems unable to bring the QB down on his own; referees who generally are proactive to protect the QB with the "in the grasp" call weren't convinced either until Junyah closed the deal...

5:50 Graham shows the fire that the Defense seemed to lack

1:49 - Great coverage by Harper. Rogers threaded the needle. The replay is a bad angle to actually see how good the coverage was. During the game I thought "Oh Crap Harper" but Harper had great coverage.

2:36 - Harper gets beat by a WR.

You know, you can single out the WHOLE FREAKING DEFENSE for the ENTIRE NIGHT.

xan 09-10-2011 11:12 PM

I am not a playa hater, unless the offender is either uniformly bad or criminally incompetent. Harper is neither.

There were more mistakes by corners each play than Harper the whole game. Ok, exaggeration, but not by much. The whole d scheme was responsible for the loss, not isolated perfect plays by the opponents.

strato 09-11-2011 01:56 AM

Harper is way overrated and over paid..a blind man could see that..


FinSaint 09-11-2011 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 329033)
Harper is way overrated and over paid..a blind man could see that..


Still, he's the guy the Saints have, and the team could do a lot worse than him. GW loves him for his rushing abilities, but he should take Harper's weaknesses in coverage to heart and built coverage schemes around that fact. I know that's a hard thing to do with a team like GB, who have multiple targets in the backfield.

Cory9289 09-11-2011 03:04 AM

^ Wow, seriously?

FinSaint 09-11-2011 04:20 AM

A state, does not a man make... or vice versa.

jeanpierre 09-11-2011 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 328982)
Wow, so they score 42 points and you highlight 3 pays involving Harper.

At 1:49 Harper is draped all over Finley, a perfect pass is the only reason its completed.

At 2:36 Starks runs thru a truck sized hole at the LOS, no LB within 5 yards, Jenkins wiffs on the tackle, and Starks hits Harper at full speed inside the 5 and you wanna blame Harper for that? Wow.

So basically you've shown exactly 1 play that Harper really looked bad on. The Packers score 42 points, and you have one play.

I guess Gregg Williams was right.

The thread is about "Harper on the decline?"

You're right in that Greg Williams and the entire defense were awful the entire night...

As the thread is about Harper, I'm just illustrating just some of his breakdowns that night...

Rodgers throw to Finley was a basic lead not a thread the needle; Harper was already burned and running behind Finley, who's coming back from knee injury...

And you're right to point out that Starks should never have gotten to Harper, totally agree, but he was slowed...

So where was the big bone jarring, separate ball from player hit?

From Harper, or you kidding?

Unless it's a quarterback from the backside, it's not gonna happen...

Brother, this film does shows more than one breakdown/missed opportunity on his part...

No, Harper didn't lose this game on his own; but, simply presenting video evidence for discussion on the quality of his game...

Which isn't nearly worth the 12 mil guaranteed contract he received...

I'd have offered a little more per year, but incentive based, not contract based...

Pete 09-11-2011 05:51 AM

I still didn't think he played a bad game.Ship GW out with em' too for having faith in his inherited player! Bone Jarring hits will be coming to a city near you very soon!:bng:

FinSaint 09-11-2011 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 329048)
...the 12 mil guaranteed contract he received...

I'd have offered a little more per year, but incentive based, not contract based...


Truer words have rarely been spoken!

strato 09-11-2011 08:18 AM

Sorry Bama fans...but there was some hicks from there where i was at last night.. and they were talking crap about the Saints and LSU..these jokers were Falclown fans...come on Bears...and that kills me to say that.

SaintsBro 09-11-2011 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcp026 (Post 328894)
since Harper was caught from behind by Bradford, he hasn't been the same guy. I think other defenses know just how slow he is now and are going to take advantage of it.

This this this. People keep freaking out about the Seattle and the Packers games, but everything that has been going wrong lately with this defense has been visible for a long, long time now. To me the Packers game looked eerily like an even worse, sloppier version of the Ravens game from last year... And the seeds of THAT game came out of earlier games like the Rams game, or even earlier than that, where the weaknesses were starting to show. People are figuring the Saints/Gregg Williams defense out, and I have a sinking feeling it is going to get worse before it gets better.

hagan714 09-11-2011 09:34 AM

what yall thought by some grace of god he would be a pass defender this year. :rolleyes:

lmao

never was and never will be

DrewDat 09-11-2011 10:00 AM

Bring in Sharper as the SS and we wont have this talk

foreverfan 09-11-2011 10:42 AM

About Harper being chased down from behind by Bradford,
this came after a very long offensive drive all the way to the goal line. When Harper gets the ball, he has to run 99 yards to score. HE SIMPLY RAN OUT OF GAS which has nothing to do with his speed. Notice how hard he was sucking oxgyen after.

It's going to take a few more games before I develop a worse opinion on Harper.


Rugby Saint II 09-11-2011 12:32 PM

We've got some weaknesses on defense........Harper's not one of them. When Sharper was playing he was lights out. He also looked better in coverage this year.

AsylumGuido 09-11-2011 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrewDat (Post 329107)
Bring in Sharper as the SS and we wont have this talk

Sharper is not a strong safety.

foreverfan 09-11-2011 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 329208)
Sharper is not a strong safety.

What position do you think he plays? DT? :bng:

strato 09-11-2011 10:10 PM

He is a FS


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