Is this logical???

BillyC · 01-22-2004, 11:54 AM

Delhomme and McNair stats for their first year.
1997 Tennessee Oilers 16 16 415 216 52.0 2665 6.42 55 14 13 31/190 36 5 70.4
2003 Carolina Panthers 16 15 449 266 59.2 3219 7.17 67 19 16 23/168 46 9 80.6

Does this mean that Delhomme is a better QB than McNair? Does it make any sense to even try to suggest that? Or, does it make more sense to realize that is was 2-different QB's that were on different teams and it's no way to compare those stats and determine who was the better QB?

WhoDat is trying to tell everyone because Jakes stats were a little better than Brooks that he is the better QB, or something to that effect. Whatever he's trying to say I don't get it, and I'd love someone to clear it up for me.

Brooks first year as a starter
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 16 558 312 55.9 3832 6.87 63 26 22 50/330 55 13 76.4

JOESAM2002 · 01-22-2004, 04:01 PM

Again, antagonistic. Billy!

BillyC · 01-22-2004, 04:18 PM

Again, antagonistic. Billy!

Not antaganistic at all. At least it wasn\'t meant to be. I\'m just confused at what WhoDat is trying to prove with that logic. WhoDat posted the information and I\'m just questioning it.

Anyway, I said I wouldn\'t question you and I won\'t. I\'ll try harder!!

seraph33 · 01-22-2004, 10:01 PM

Umm Billy you are being contradictory.

Delhomme and McNair stats for their first year.
1997 Tennessee Oilers 16 16 415 216 52.0 2665 6.42 55 14 13 31/190 36 5 70.4
2003 Carolina Panthers 16 15 449 266 59.2 3219 7.17 67 19 16 23/168 46 9 80.6

This is exactly what you do anytime anyone questions Brooks\' abilities. If it is valid and logical for you to defend your views with statistics and comparisons in this manner then why isn\'t it logical for WhoDat?

WhoDat · 01-22-2004, 10:49 PM

Good point. Billy - you said that you were positive that Delhomme made more mistakes than Brooks. You didn\'t provide any proof, but...

I contradicted that easily by comparing stats that can be construed as mistakes. If you don\'t want to comapre stats, what would you like to compare? Wins? Nope, Jake is only responsible for one of those if you ask Saintfan... or you for that matter. I wonder how many you think Brooks is responsible for.

Oh, and your claim that Stephen Davis, Steve Smith, and Mussin Muhammad helped the Panthers more than Jake... well you\'re probably right... BUT.... Deuce\'s numbers were better than Davis\' both of the last two years. Horn out caught Steve Smith. Stallworth hasn\'t even completed a single season worth of games and he has more yards and TDs than Muhammad has in 32 games over the last two seasons. Interesting huh?

BillyC · 01-23-2004, 07:48 AM

WhoDat --

I heard on sports center that the panthers winning percentage is higher when Jake throws at least one interception. So, did Jake take the Panthers to the super bowl or did the Panthers take Jake to the super bowl?

As far as mistake made by Delhomme. He threw twice as many interceptions(16) and fumbled the ball 15-times. That\'s more mistakes by Delhomme than Brooks.

Look, if we want to evaluate the \"teams\" then the Panthers are better.

If we want to evaluate QB\'s then Brooks is head over heels above Delhomme.

[Edited on 23/1/2004 by BillyC]

saintfan · 01-23-2004, 08:04 AM

Wins? Nope, Jake is only responsible for one of those if you ask Saintfan...

When did I say that? I didn\'t say that. Get your facts straight before you bring me into it WhoDat? ...and stop being antagonistic. Thank Youl.

WhoDat · 01-23-2004, 01:47 PM

I\'m not going to dig up the quote, but I will if need be. You claimed that in week one Jake came in off the bench and won the game for the Panthers. Otherwise, they\'ve been carrying him. My facts are straight Saintfan.

If we want to evaluate QB\'s then Brooks is head over heels above Delhomme.

I didn\'t say that Jake was a better QB than Brooks. Read what I write. I did say that he is better suited for our team. Also, you said that Jake made more mistakes. I say that he didn\'t. You brought the topic up. Now, Billy, are you trying to say that the only mistake a QB can make is a turnover? B/c that\'s what your last post addresses - turnovers. Which, if I remember correctly, you view no differently than a false start penalty or a dropped pass. SO, your comparison, in that case, is incomplete, is it not?

saintfan · 01-23-2004, 03:03 PM

Wins? Nope, Jake is only responsible for one of those if you ask Saintfan...

Then go find it.

WhoDat · 01-23-2004, 04:04 PM

Jake came in an lit a fire under the Panthers in the second half of their first game. Even I won\'t deny that. Jake is servicable, but special or \"top 5\", as some seem to think a team requires, he is definately not.

Jake has a bad habit of underthrowing people and there are other parts of his game that defenses will have caught up to by next year.

01-22-2004, 11:54 AM	#1
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Is this logical??? Delhomme and McNair stats for their first year. 1997 Tennessee Oilers 16 16 415 216 52.0 2665 6.42 55 14 13 31/190 36 5 70.4 2003 Carolina Panthers 16 15 449 266 59.2 3219 7.17 67 19 16 23/168 46 9 80.6 Does this mean that Delhomme is a better QB than McNair? Does it make any sense to even try to suggest that? Or, does it make more sense to realize that is was 2-different QB's that were on different teams and it's no way to compare those stats and determine who was the better QB? WhoDat is trying to tell everyone because Jakes stats were a little better than Brooks that he is the better QB, or something to that effect. Whatever he's trying to say I don't get it, and I'd love someone to clear it up for me. Brooks first year as a starter 2001 New Orleans Saints 16 16 558 312 55.9 3832 6.87 63 26 22 50/330 55 13 76.4
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01-22-2004, 04:01 PM	#2
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Is this logical??? Again, antagonistic. Billy!

01-22-2004, 04:18 PM	#3
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Is this logical??? Again, antagonistic. Billy! Not antaganistic at all. At least it wasn\'t meant to be. I\'m just confused at what WhoDat is trying to prove with that logic. WhoDat posted the information and I\'m just questioning it. Anyway, I said I wouldn\'t question you and I won\'t. I\'ll try harder!!
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01-22-2004, 10:01 PM	#4
seraph33 Registered Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 68	Is this logical??? Umm Billy you are being contradictory. Delhomme and McNair stats for their first year. 1997 Tennessee Oilers 16 16 415 216 52.0 2665 6.42 55 14 13 31/190 36 5 70.4 2003 Carolina Panthers 16 15 449 266 59.2 3219 7.17 67 19 16 23/168 46 9 80.6 This is exactly what you do anytime anyone questions Brooks\' abilities. If it is valid and logical for you to defend your views with statistics and comparisons in this manner then why isn\'t it logical for WhoDat?

01-22-2004, 10:49 PM	#5
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Is this logical??? Good point. Billy - you said that you were positive that Delhomme made more mistakes than Brooks. You didn\'t provide any proof, but... I contradicted that easily by comparing stats that can be construed as mistakes. If you don\'t want to comapre stats, what would you like to compare? Wins? Nope, Jake is only responsible for one of those if you ask Saintfan... or you for that matter. I wonder how many you think Brooks is responsible for. Oh, and your claim that Stephen Davis, Steve Smith, and Mussin Muhammad helped the Panthers more than Jake... well you\'re probably right... BUT.... Deuce\'s numbers were better than Davis\' both of the last two years. Horn out caught Steve Smith. Stallworth hasn\'t even completed a single season worth of games and he has more yards and TDs than Muhammad has in 32 games over the last two seasons. Interesting huh?
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01-23-2004, 07:48 AM	#6
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Is this logical??? WhoDat -- I heard on sports center that the panthers winning percentage is higher when Jake throws at least one interception. So, did Jake take the Panthers to the super bowl or did the Panthers take Jake to the super bowl? As far as mistake made by Delhomme. He threw twice as many interceptions(16) and fumbled the ball 15-times. That\'s more mistakes by Delhomme than Brooks. Look, if we want to evaluate the \"teams\" then the Panthers are better. If we want to evaluate QB\'s then Brooks is head over heels above Delhomme. [Edited on 23/1/2004 by BillyC]
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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Is this logical??? Wins? Nope, Jake is only responsible for one of those if you ask Saintfan... When did I say that? I didn\'t say that. Get your facts straight before you bring me into it WhoDat? ...and stop being antagonistic. Thank Youl.

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Is this logical??? I\'m not going to dig up the quote, but I will if need be. You claimed that in week one Jake came in off the bench and won the game for the Panthers. Otherwise, they\'ve been carrying him. My facts are straight Saintfan. If we want to evaluate QB\'s then Brooks is head over heels above Delhomme. I didn\'t say that Jake was a better QB than Brooks. Read what I write. I did say that he is better suited for our team. Also, you said that Jake made more mistakes. I say that he didn\'t. You brought the topic up. Now, Billy, are you trying to say that the only mistake a QB can make is a turnover? B/c that\'s what your last post addresses - turnovers. Which, if I remember correctly, you view no differently than a false start penalty or a dropped pass. SO, your comparison, in that case, is incomplete, is it not?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Is this logical??? Wins? Nope, Jake is only responsible for one of those if you ask Saintfan... Then go find it.

01-23-2004, 04:04 PM	#10
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Is this logical??? Jake came in an lit a fire under the Panthers in the second half of their first game. Even I won\'t deny that. Jake is servicable, but special or \"top 5\", as some seem to think a team requires, he is definately not. Jake has a bad habit of underthrowing people and there are other parts of his game that defenses will have caught up to by next year.
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