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Peyton played a large part in getting the Colts to the playoffs, unlike some QB that get too much credit. See.........(Panthers)

However, Brooks isn\'t the reason we didn\'t make the playoffs and if that\'s what you\'re trying to suggest, then I don\'t have the time or patience to prove it to you.


You know other QB\'s fumbled the ball about as much as Brooks and made it to the playoffs and one even made it to the superbowl. One QB even threw twice as many interceptions than Brooks and his team did just fine.

Do you not notice what the REAL problems on this team is or do you just wish to concentrate on something that isn\'t a major problems. How \'bout our linebackers, shouldn\'t you be more concerned with them? How \'bout those cornerback??!!??!!


Gator -
Billy, you don\'t listen,you don\'t listen!


[Edited on 23/1/2004 by JOESAM2002]

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Billy C,

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However, Brooks isn\'t the reason we didn\'t make the playoffs and if that\'s what you\'re trying to suggest, then I don\'t have the time or patience to prove it to you.

You know other QB\'s fumbled the ball about as much as Brooks and made it to the playoffs and one even made it to the superbowl. One QB even threw twice as many interceptions than Brooks and his team did just fine.

Do you not notice what the REAL problems on this team is or do you just wish to concentrate on something that isn\'t a major problems. How \'bout our linebackers, shouldn\'t you be more concerned with them? How \'bout those cornerback??!!??!!

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I can understand and respect your viewpoint but you do not have to show your arrogance or condencinding attitude.

Yes, I see other QB\'s fumbling, but not as many times as Brooks trying to take the ball back and a defender nowhere near him.

As far as the rest of the Saints, yes there are other areas I have an opinion on. But right now I am speaking of Bouman being given a chance with the first Team.

I have no agenda other to discuss issues or opinions I wish to express here. I thought this was a forum for just that...not your not having the time or patience to explain anything to anybody!

\"Insanity is doing the same thing over, over, and over again and expecting a different outcome\"!

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I think the people that are seriously suggesting that Bouman get a shot are suggesting that he get a shot in Pre-Season, and there\'s not a thing wrong with that. I doubt he could play well enough to take Brooks\' job, but if he were to outplay him then start him. I said the same thing about Jake too, and I meant it. The thing is that Jake was never able to TAKE the job. He failed to do it over and over again. Some say he wasn\'t given a fair shot in the Haz era. Well, there were many other era\'s and he failed to TAKE the starting job then, too. One of those era\'s was in Carolina\'s training camp where he failed to TAKE the job from Peete. Sometimes you just never know. Let Bouman play in a few Pre-Season games with the first team for a quarter or three. From what I\'ve seen of him (and I don\'t think he\'s terrible) I don\'t think he\'s got enough about him to take the job from Brooks...nothing wrong with letting you all see that with your own eyes tho! ;)

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saintfan,

You are accurate. All I suggested is Bouman be given a fair chance. Personally, I do not care if it is in mini-camps, pre-season, or regular season. If he is not that good, why do we have him. Cut him or give him a chance.

Brooks has his qualities, but faults as well. Don\'t we all!

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3rdNLong.

If we do not have confidence in Bouman, then let\'s cut him and get a good EXPERIENCED QB to backup or challenge Brooks.

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gatorman,

<And guys shouldn\'t create new names and enter the board.>

If directed toward me, I can assure you I have never posted on this board prior to today. If toward others, I cannot address others actions.

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gatorman,

Thanks. I have observed with interest this forum for sometime, and just thought it was time for me to post a viewpoint.

At all times, the one thing I will try to do is observe a differing viewpoint. We all have a differing slant to things and I personally do not care about anyone\'s agenda.

As a disclaimer, I have been a Saints fan as long back as to when they originally came into the league. Good times and not sooooooo good times.

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Let\'s also not forget that in preseason last year Bouman was in his what? second month with the team? You\'re going to have miscommunications. You\'re going to miss routes. You\'re not going to feel comfortable with the offense.

I can\'t see how anyone would argue that playing Bouman with the first team in preseason is a bad idea. What? You wanna play Brooks? What happens when your little baby boy gets hurt? Seriously.

Oh, one other thing. No QB in the league LOST more fumbles that Aaron Brooks Billy. Look at the stats. If you fumble the ball and get it back it\'s not a great play, but it\'s also not as harmful as a LOST fumble.

One other thing you won\'t see is a stat for turnovers that ocurred deep in your own territory or deep in your opponents\'. I\'d be willing to bet that AB put opposing teams in great situations deep in our territory (if they didn\'t score on the turnover), or took point off of our board more than any other QB in the league. There\'s a difference between fumbling on your opponents 40 yards line on 3rd and 27 with 2 seconds left in the half and fumbling on second and goal from your opponents\' 1 yard line.

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I think a coach should always look to put his team in a better position to win, and that includes not having \"guaranteed\" jobs, therefore instilling the \"I need to improve all the time\" mentality into his team; I also think that coaches should not have \"preferred\" players.
Unfortunately, Haslett does have \"his\" players, and he would go to great lengths to pander to them, regardless of what it does to the team.
We don\'t really know if Bouman could do better than Brooks out there... and we are not going to ever know as long as Haslett is the head coach, unless Brooks goes into a coma.

Do the Saints need an upgrade at the QB position? That\'s a good question. Personally, I don\'t think that the offense has great personnel all around.
I think the offense as it is, can score enough points to win 7-10 games, but not championships, mainly because:
- the running game isn\'t that good (it\'s not about \"averages\", or \"breaking the long one\").
- either the o-line can\'t block that well, or the QB holds on to the ball too long and needs extra protection (probably because he can\'t read defenses) as evidenced by the numerous 2 TE sets.
- receivers don\'t make the most-make catches.
- our starting QB is chillin\' like a felon on the sidelines instead of studying the formation shots (and maybe that\'s why he can\'t read defenses).

The questions would be:
Can Boumann do a better job at reading defenses?
Would Boumann let the ball go without holding onto it for too long?
Can Boumann lead the offense?

I do know that what the Saints need more than anything, is a MLB and a DT.

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Codename 47

You bring a very interesting thought to the table here .

It is a point that other league Qb\'s do check the formation shots , to my knowledege I have never seen Brooks review the formation sheets in a game .

Has anyone else seen Brooks do this ????