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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I think his being top 5 depends on which numbers you look at. How much are 8 TD\'s really worth. I could play devil\'s advocate on this one, but I won\'t because I\'m really of the same opinion you are. ...

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Old 01-26-2004, 04:21 PM   #21
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Mc Allister says show me the money

I think his being top 5 depends on which numbers you look at. How much are 8 TD\'s really worth. I could play devil\'s advocate on this one, but I won\'t because I\'m really of the same opinion you are. The guy has earned more money. Whodat already thinks Brooks contract \"may or may not\" have hurt the Saints ability to sign quality players on Defense. Can we really afford to take on another big contract or should we go the way of the mid-level sedan?

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Old 01-26-2004, 04:43 PM   #22
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Mc Allister says show me the money

Deuce is definetly a top 5 guy, no way is jamal lewis better than deuce, have you seen lewis catch a ball? NO because the guy has hands of stone, granted when the qb tucks the ball safely into those stone hands he is phenomenal but he isn\'t the dual threat that deuce is

portis falls pretty close to lewis in that he can\'t catch but he makes up for it with his ridiculous running power, better than deuce in my opion, late in the 2nd round? what a steal

LT and priest are obivously better and both are huge dual threats

green and deuce i think are about the same level, in fact i think they are very smilar in running style and the way they are used in the passing game

point is he deserves more than the measly 2M or whatever he\'s making (i know someone will spit out the exact number here for me) and if the saints force him to sit out or let him go it would rival ditka\'s draft day fiasco in stupidity
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Old 01-26-2004, 04:54 PM   #23
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Dude, I\'m not trying to start a war. I just wanna see how those that wouldn\'t justify it for player A will justify it for player B. You\'ve got War on the brain man. This argument about getting middle of the road players (see the mid priced sedan BOLD print in another thread) rather than paying for potential (argued by most Brooks bashers as a primary reason the team should have stayed with jake) is either gonna hold water here with Deuce or it\'s not. I\'m just interested in seeing it get played out. You call it a war and I call it a discussion.

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Old 01-26-2004, 05:38 PM   #24
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I can\'t believe that I haven\'t had Duece as my avatar until now. He is by far my favorite Saint. I appreciate the players like Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, and Duece McAllister who score the touchdown and hand the ball over to the official or simply set it down. That action speaks volumes. He realizes that he doesn\'t get there without help from his teammates.

That\'s why I like him as a person. As a player, he\'s done much better than the guy that the Saints gave up a whole draft and future picks for. Better in terms of attitude and better in terms of playing with injuries.

I have no understanding of money past $20.00. I do realize that if you have a good possibility of making more money than you must go for it. I don\'t like it when you\'re on a contract with two years left and you ask for more. I thought that\'s what contracts were for. I want Duece to stay and I\'m sure that he will.

My two cents on Aaron Brooks: he was making league minimum as a starting quaterback. He deserved the raise.

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Old 01-26-2004, 06:18 PM   #25
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Well I figured 08 would be the first to blame Aaron for Deuce\'s desire for a new contract. You beat him to it Whodat. Amazing.
I would never blame Brooks for Duece\'s desire for a new contract . I am sure almost every player that performs to a higher then expected level when they signed an original contract , wishes he could get paid more .

The fact that Brooks contract was renegotiated , could be the beginning of contractual problems for years to come .

Brooks was the first , then Horn decided to do it based upon Brooks success and now Duece is gonna give it a shot . Maybe Sullivan next year , who knows . The point is that there is a cap limit in place in the N.F.L. and this has got to stop .

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Old 01-26-2004, 08:47 PM   #26
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I am for giving Deuce a fair and well paying contract. I\'d rank him 6th, I\'d pay him that way.

Of course, as usual, my comments are being spun to fit a certain person\'s argument. I love it when words are put in my mouth. I favor a great runningback and an average QB over the opposite any day. That combination is more successful today in my opinion. The \"Brooks Supporters\" can say what they will, but anyone who says that Aaron Brooks is as important to this team now and in the future as Deuce McAllister is either A) has an agenda, B) doesn\'t know football at all, or C) is simply trying to pick a fight.

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Old 01-27-2004, 07:34 AM   #27
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I don\'t know where Deuce ranks as for as runningbacks in the NFL. I do know there\'s not too many I would trade him for. Folks want to blame the front office of the Saints for what they consider overpaying a player. But, in this day of free agency, someone more than likely will be willing to \"show the money\" to a player that shows a huge upside. Keep in mind that every year teams spend big money on unproven players at every position. Much less players like Deuce McAllister and Aaron Brooks that have proven they can play in the NFL.

So, the arguement that a player should be paid according to where they rank is a moot point. Free agency has made it a moot point. Surely even the most casual fan can understand this.

Let\'s suppose that some team offers Deuce the SECOND highest salary in the NFL for runningbacks. Well, according to some we shouldn\'t match that salary because it doesn\'t make sense. Arguements can be made to match that salary or not, but that\'s the situation that NFL teams are faced with. Teams can\'t just simply offer a player a contract based on performance, because there is usually some team out there willing to overpay. Keep that in mind.



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Old 01-27-2004, 10:22 AM   #28
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Brooks was the first , then Horn decided to do it based upon Brooks success ...
So, what you\'re saying is Joe Horn only decided to renegotiate his contract because of Aaron Brooks\' renegotiation? Seriously?

...and then

I would never blame Brooks for Duece\'s desire for a new contract
So, you blame Brooks for Joe Horn\'s desire to renegotiate, but you don\'t blame Brooks for Duece\'s desire to renegotiate?

Quick, somebody pass me the 08 decoder ring. :casstet:
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Old 01-27-2004, 10:30 AM   #29
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So, you blame Brooks for Joe Horn\'s desire to renegotiate
Can you name the last Saint player , previous to Brooks to holdout while under contract to renegotiate ????
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Old 01-27-2004, 10:36 AM   #30
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And that has what to do with what exactly 08? If I could steal from Bill O\'Reilly -- Lets make this the \"No Spin Zone\" ok? At this point Duece\'s desire for a new contract has nothing to do with Brooks\' renegotiation. That\'s what you\'re saying. However, if he holds out for more money then it automatically goes back to Brooks? Brooks was NOT the first play in history (Saints History Included) to hold out for more money.

I say it again, somebody, anybody, PLEASE pass me the 08 decoder ring!
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