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WhoDat!656 10-04-2011 11:32 AM

Interesting question
 
Would You Trade Ivory for Depth on Defense

73Saint 10-04-2011 11:39 AM

I think the point made in the comment below the article, about not being trade material due to the week six deadline taking place before he is eligible, makes the conversation moot.

Am I right or wrong?

WhoDat!656 10-04-2011 11:43 AM

I think you are right

FinSaint 10-04-2011 11:52 AM

Still, if it was possible, I wouldn't like to see it happen.

But, naturally it would depend on who the Saints would get in return.

73Saint 10-04-2011 11:56 AM

I sure did like what I saw in Ivory, but even though he is currently healthy, only time will tell if he stays that way. He has a checkered history when it comes to staying healthy...

MatthewT 10-04-2011 12:56 PM

If I was calling the shots, there is no way in the world I would trade Ivory. Right now the Saints are fortunate to have healthy running backs, one game can change that quick.

strato 10-04-2011 01:06 PM

Our best RB..i don't think so..wait till he comes back and runs all over people..this thread will be in the bin..

Speedy Ron 10-04-2011 01:15 PM

i would if we could get a LB out the deal. id rather see sh!tle replaced than see ivory

Danno 10-04-2011 02:28 PM

I wonder how much a team would be willing to give up for a RB that had injury problems in High School, injury problems in College and hasn't made it through one NFL game without getting hurt, and even injured himself while rehabbing an injury?

AlaskaSaints 10-04-2011 02:34 PM

There's no linebacker worth Ivory on the market right now.

Offense has been winning our games. I don't like it like that, but...

Hell no is my answer.

Alaska

FinSaint 10-04-2011 03:07 PM

I like Ivory, but if the Saints were to get someone like Patrick Willis or DeMarcus Ware for him... I'd say yes in a heart beat, but that's never going to happen, because he is still very unproven and has the health concerns Danno alluded to already.

xan 10-04-2011 03:20 PM

No offense to Mr. Shanle, but if we could trade Ivory for a replacement, I'd kick in an nickle.

SaintFanQ 10-04-2011 03:35 PM

No way I would let him go!

Rugby Saint II 10-04-2011 03:41 PM

If we bring Ivory along slowly he can get some valuable reps later in the season, give the other backs time to rest or rehab, and it brings up his value. I truly believe that we will trade one back next year, we could even package that with a receiver if necessary. Remember we don't have a first round draft pick. If our backs continue to roll we may have some great trading leverage.

homerj07 10-04-2011 08:01 PM

It would have to bwe one hell of an LB - Seriously. And there is no way anyone will give up a LB that good.

lumm0x 10-04-2011 09:47 PM

With Ivory missing so much time we actually wouldn't see any respectable return for him. And I agree with the sentiment that we are lucky to have the depth. We all know what injuries can do with our backfield.

foreverfan 10-04-2011 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 336521)
I like Ivory, but if the Saints were to get someone like Patrick Willis or DeMarcus Ware for him... I'd say yes in a heart beat, but that's never going to happen, because he is still very unproven and has the health concerns Danno alluded to already.

Not only that but he would have to fit our cap number.
With Brees yet to sign, we might have to cut Tom Benson to fit Brees under the cap. :doh:

QBREES9 10-04-2011 10:08 PM

Keep him.

WhoDat4983 10-04-2011 10:11 PM

yes


louisiana

SaintsRule11 10-04-2011 10:20 PM

I'm not sure if I would trade defensive depth for Chris Ivory. Then again, Ivory is a beast when healthy. But he was injured so much last year, I fear he cannot stay on the field. I'm not sure. I just hope the Saints can average over 35 points per game this season.

QBREES9 10-04-2011 10:27 PM

Why don't we wait and see how he comes back. He's going to be splitting time with some other guys who are pretty good.

iceshack149 10-04-2011 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 336477)
Our best RB..i don't think so..wait till he comes back and runs all over people..this thread will be in the bin..

Chris Ivory is the Saints best RB? I know that you fell in love with the kid but the best RB on the team? You would have a difficult time convincing me that he could beat out Ingram for the 3rd best back on the team.

I'd trade the guy for a great, make that good, player on defense in a heart beat.

strato 10-04-2011 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 336674)
Chris Ivory is the Saints best RB? I know that you fell in love with the kid but the best RB on the team? You would have a difficult time convincing me that he could beat out Ingram for the 3rd best back on the team.

I'd trade the guy for a great, make that good, player on defense in a heart beat.


No way Ingram beats his rushing yards from last year...and C.I wasnt even drafted....Payton will make room for him ..i can promise you that..Why would we trade away a weapon?..he will be needed later when we make the playoffs...again video evidence..

AlaskaSaints 10-05-2011 12:30 AM

OH
MY
GOD.

Go ahead. Someone step up and doubt that man's skills. I dare you.

The balance and presence of this beast of a running back is one in one thousand. Any wonder why he is injured? He PUNISHES tacklers!

And it's rare to see someone get through holes that are only 6-inches wide.

You doubters are crazy.

Thanks for sharing, STRATO. That's some of the most inspirational running video from just a short career that any running back has amassed.

He JOLTS linebackers for God's sake!!!

Alaska

AlaskaSaints 10-05-2011 12:52 AM

Chris Ivory Photos - ESPN

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Soldano 10-05-2011 07:24 AM

No,...........
Very long season & without a 3rd & short RB we have no chance of super bowl title. If PT & Ingram get hurt then haveing CI to step in could be our ticket to Super bowl win II. CI in my opinion actually puts fear in a defence as few like to tackle anymore in NFL. Violent , very violent RB he is. Makes 3rd & short life real easy for Brees. This back flat A... runs people over.

Danno 10-05-2011 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 336693)
OH
MY
GOD.

Go ahead. Someone step up and doubt that man's skills. I dare you.

The balance and presence of this beast of a running back is one in one thousand. Any wonder why he is injured? He PUNISHES tacklers!

And it's rare to see someone get through holes that are only 6-inches wide.

You doubters are crazy.

Thanks for sharing, STRATO. That's some of the most inspirational running video from just a short career that any running back has amassed.

He JOLTS linebackers for God's sake!!!

Alaska

I don't think anyone doubts his skills. If he could stay healthy for 16 games AND get 15-20 rushes per game he'd be putting up Adrian Peterson numbers or better.

The ONLY thing anyone questions is his ability to stay healthy. So far he can't make it through a single game.

Cruize 10-05-2011 08:06 AM

No market. Cheap salary. Best short yardage back on the team. Sproles may want huge money next year due to his true value. Keep him. That being said, I hope the front office is working the phones just in case a starting quality LB becomes available. The Herring experiment was a bust. Wilson was struggling with the mental part of the game and now he's injured. Vilma has been nicked up and the 2nd best LB on the squad Dunbar is his backup. Casillas has shown promice but also looks overmatched at times. And Shanle is just slightly better than playing with 10 on defense. LOL.

BIGEASY504 10-05-2011 08:45 AM

IVORY NO SHANLE GO!!!

ScottF 10-05-2011 10:56 AM

do what you need to do to make the team better.
if that is Ivory for a LB, do it

PT is getting only 9 touches a game, Sproles only 4 carries a game, and oh yeah, we pass 65% of the time

Luda34 10-05-2011 11:49 AM

I think Imgram is a powerful back but I haven't seeing him do run the ball like Ivory did last year. I know it's still early but I'm going to go with a NO right now.

iceshack149 10-05-2011 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 336683)
No way Ingram beats his rushing yards from last year...and C.I wasnt even drafted....Payton will make room for him ..i can promise you that..Why would we trade away a weapon?..he will be needed later when we make the playoffs...again video evidence..
2010 New Orleans Saints Yearbook: Chris Ivory - YouTube

Ivory was great last year when he played. I think that if Ingram was given the same opportunity he could be better. Ingram has displayed more ability over a longer period of time..

I'm all for getting great talent in a trade for him but that wouldn't happen. No team is willing to trade off a great player for another great player that can't stay on the field.

FinSaint 10-05-2011 01:09 PM

He has a punishing running style, which causes pain to the defenders, but unfortunately to himself as well.

He reminds me of Marion Barber and consequently I'm afraid that if Ivory can't change/modify his running style to be less punishing on his body he'll eventually suffer the same end result as Barber... being too broken to be an effective long term RB in the NFL.

strato 10-05-2011 01:15 PM

LOL..got 97.5 talking about C.I..its funny as hell..

strato 10-05-2011 01:17 PM

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look what i started...lol

saintfan 10-05-2011 01:48 PM

He wouldn't have to run that way if we would open up a friggin hole every now and then.

darstep 10-05-2011 02:48 PM

What we would get in trade, would not impact the defense in the same manner he impacts the offense. Hate to say it, PT is better trade bait and I would totally hate to see any of these guys go anywhere. Our 4-headed monster may, through natural selection, get wittled down to 3 next season.

FinSaint 10-05-2011 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darstep (Post 336863)
What we would get in trade, would not impact the defense in the same manner he impacts the offense. Hate to say it, PT is better trade bait and I would totally hate to see any of these guys go anywhere. Our 4-headed monster may, through natural selection, get wittled down to 3 next season.


I agree with you.

Also the Saints still have Bell on the PS, who also ran well during the pre-season. So the Saints might still have a 4-headed monsters even if PT was traded.

Nevertheless, because of the past experiences, I wouldn't feel comfortable trading away any of the Saints' RBs.

FireVenturi 10-05-2011 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 336506)
I wonder how much a team would be willing to give up for a RB that had injury problems in High School, injury problems in College and hasn't made it through one NFL game without getting hurt, and even injured himself while rehabbing an injury?

I wouldn't think twice if we could get a decent player on D. He is not our best rb, you have to get out the tub to be in that conversation. So far this year, he is our fourth best rb.


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