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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by CantonLegend streif and bushrod are the starters this season. charles brown is the backup starting due to injuries DLP is grading out terribly as our starting center of course brown is playing right tackle. trent williams is ...

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Old 10-13-2011, 02:16 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
streif and bushrod are the starters this season. charles brown is the backup starting due to injuries

DLP is grading out terribly as our starting center

of course brown is playing right tackle. trent williams is a stud at LT. but brown is having a great year and the redskins are at the top of the east right now

just because we won a super bowl with bushrod does not make him any good. cant believe ur still trying to convince ppl that matters at all...especially me

fwiw our line is doing a fine job considering we lost stinchcomb and now 2 of our starters due to injuries

you make me laugh when you say stuff like the lines job is to protect drew so they need to do it. you really dont understand that when you pass more you get sacked more do you? yes its the lines job to block...you know who else has a job? the guy lined up acrossed from our linemen that are playing 70+ snaps and only hitting drew twice a game.

The one Redskins game i saw Brown had two false starts and was getting manhandled ...and you say we are fine at O-line ..yet de le Puenta sucks..?
I think he has filled in fine..saw him play live and never heard his named called and to say the lines job is not to protect Drew is down right crazy...what do you think they get paid to do?..

And yeah the D-line is supposed to try and get to the QB...and so far they have..who's fault is that?

Your points hold no water with me dude..sorry.
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:33 PM   #22
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The one Redskins game i saw Brown had two false starts and was getting manhandled ...and you say we are fine at O-line ..yet de le Puenta sucks..?
I think he has filled in fine..saw him play live and never heard his named called and to say the lines job is not to protect Drew is down right crazy...what do you think they get paid to do?..

And yeah the D-line is supposed to try and get to the QB...and so far they have..who's fault is that?

Your points hold no water with me dude..sorry.
de la puenta is our backup that is grading out very poorly. that doesnt mean that the line as a whole is doing poorly. linemen get graded individually but they are actually one unit that is playing well together minus the pressures being given up around the edge and from DLP

its not a simple job to protect a QB in the NFL. why do you think the guys that do it well get paid so much? if the defenders are only getting to drew twice a game when they are playing 70+ snaps every game then who do you think is doing a better job...

lets say they dont get to drew 68 snaps but they sack him 2 snaps....68>2...looks like our line is winning that battle

pass blocking is one of the hardest jobs in professional sports...but you know why these arguments dont hold water for you? cuz you dont understand what happens during the course of a play.

can i ask you a serious question? have you played football at any level?

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Old 10-13-2011, 02:49 PM   #23
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de la puenta is our backup that is grading out very poorly. that doesnt mean that the line as a whole is doing poorly. linemen get graded individually but they are actually one unit that is playing well together minus the pressures being given up around the edge and from DLP

its not a simple job to protect a QB in the NFL. why do you think the guys that do it well get paid so much? if the defenders are only getting to drew twice a game when they are playing 70+ snaps every game then who do you think is doing a better job...

lets say they dont get to drew 68 snaps but they sack him 2 snaps....68>2...looks like our line is winning that battle

pass blocking is one of the hardest jobs in professional sports...but you know why these arguments dont hold water for you? cuz you dont understand what happens during the course of a play.

can i ask you a serious question? have you played football at any level?

Again its the job of a O-lineman to protect and block in the running game and trying to degrade my intelligence about the game is not the question here ..i was playing football before you were born ..I helped coach pee wee league to two consecutive titles that were played in the Cajun dome..

I completely understand how a play goes and i watch the O-Line very close..i have two nephews who were O-line man in high school and one plays semi pro now topping in at 300 plus..

I see you stop in and purposely try and insult our posters with your negative know it all attitude..If you cant discuss the game without getting personal...then please by all means just stay away..

The tone of your post has a hatred that seems to really be why you are here...and again i give props to the line for trying ..but they are getting pushed around and having trouble not only protecting ..but getting short yardage..im more concerned with them than the D-Line..because if Drew goes down..then what? ..and its not just me that sees it...but im the one you seem to try and insult...if you cant talk in a civil tone.. then maybe this is not the place for you to be..

Oh and yes i did play in Jr High... but was forced to quit because of a accident in where i was struck by a car and suffered a broken leg...for the record i was the fastest guy on the team...and played WR and running back

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de la puenta is our backup that is grading out very poorly. that doesnt mean that the line as a whole is doing poorly. linemen get graded individually but they are actually one unit that is playing well together minus the pressures being given up around the edge and from DLP

its not a simple job to protect a QB in the NFL. why do you think the guys that do it well get paid so much? if the defenders are only getting to drew twice a game when they are playing 70+ snaps every game then who do you think is doing a better job...

lets say they dont get to drew 68 snaps but they sack him 2 snaps....68>2...looks like our line is winning that battle

pass blocking is one of the hardest jobs in professional sports...but you know why these arguments dont hold water for you? cuz you dont understand what happens during the course of a play.

can i ask you a serious question? have you played football at any level?
First: Grading out? By whom? You? Can I see his report card as written by you? Grading out...

Second, anybody who knows even the least bit will tell you that Drew makes that line appear to be a hell of a lot better than it might appear if, say, Jay Cutler were the guy throwing the passes. But that's your problem, has always been your problem. You can't see...refuse to see...anything beyond what you want to see. You're a 'stats' guy, but you don't know when to throw them out the window in favor of what you see with your own two eyes.

We all know pass blocking is hard. Once again, we don't need you to educate us. Can I ask YOU a question? At what level did you stop playing football and start "grading" out NFL centers? How much do you make for your 'grading' work? Um...yeah...

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Again its the job of a O-lineman to protect and block in the running game and trying to degrade my intelligence about the game is not the question here ..i was playing football before you were born ..I helped coach pee wee league to two consecutive titles that were played in the Cajun dome..

I completely understand how a play goes and i watch the O-Line very close..i have two nephews who were O-line man in high school and one plays semi pro now topping in at 300 plus..

I see you stop in and purposely try and insult our posters with your negative know it all attitude..If you cant discuss the game without getting personal...than please by all means just stay away..

The tone of your post has a hatred that seems to really be why you are here...and again i give props to the line for trying ..but they are getting pushed around and having trouble not only protecting ..but getting short yardage..im more concerned with them than the D-Line..because if Drew goes down..then what? ..and its not just me that sees it...but im the one you seem to try and insult...if you cant talk in a civil tone.. then maybe this is not the place for you to be..

Oh and yes i did play in Jr High... but was forced to quit because of a accident in where i was struck by a car and suffered a broken leg...for the record i was the fastest guy on the team...and played WR and running back

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my point is not to degrade posters but guys if youre going to blame the line for playing poorly when they are actually doing well then im going to jump all over it. playing in junior high is great...but ur too young to understand the game in 7th grade. coaching pee wees is great too but one super star on a pee wee team can turn a team from 0-8 to 8-0....not a whole lot of football knowledge required

as far as ur nephews playing line, my mom watched my games too. every now and then she comes to watch me coach on fridays....doesnt mean she knows anything about football

the line is doing its job well but despite us being 4-1 scoring over 31 points a game and passing for over 330 yards a game you still need something negative to talk about. the line is fine.

you wanna discuss some problems? how about our lack of balance on offense or our inability to put teams away before the last 2 minutes of a game

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First: Grading out? By whom? You? Can I see his report card as written by you? Grading out...

Second, anybody who knows even the least bit will tell you that Drew makes that line appear to be a hell of a lot better than it might appear if, say, Jay Cutler were the guy throwing the passes. But that's your problem, has always been your problem. You can't see...refuse to see...anything beyond what you want to see. You're a 'stats' guy, but you don't know when to throw them out the window in favor of what you see with your own two eyes.

We all know pass blocking is hard. Once again, we don't need you to educate us. Can I ask YOU a question? At what level did you stop playing football and start "grading" out NFL centers? How much do you make for your 'grading' work? Um...yeah...

pff.com rates players every game. thats what i was basing my info on.

of course drew is better than jay cutler but their line is abismal

you say drew makes our line look better...true sometimes. maybe our line makes drew look better too? lol then you say no thats not true and we go back and forth arguing about something that cant be proven.

you know why i use stats? because i can see the stats...then i can show other ppl stats. and it can help me prove a point which is usually based on a conclusion ive drawn by WATCHING the games.

the difference is that you guys have conclusions that you draw up form watching the games but you dont have anything to back it up...at least i have stats

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Feculent.
didnt you block me cuz my avatar was too racy? what was it again? oh yea a picture of breesus...not surprised you are offended by what i have to say
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Ok i guess being around football for 35 years gives me no merit....so i will resort to stats

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Ok i guess being around football for 35 years gives me no merit....so i will resort to stats

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pass attempts 361...sacks 11

league rankings? 1st in pass attempts....14th in sacks given up
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