Pipe Dreaming

SaintNik · 01-30-2004, 01:17 AM

Anyone that believes that the Saints will give up picks and or players and the bank to get Eli and that if done will change the immediate team record for the better must be on the pipe. This coaching staff knows it must win now, not later. Rookie QBs seldom have anything other than moderate success if even given a chance to play. By now everyone should believe that Haz is commited to AB. We need players not a single savior. All of the Brooks haters/bashers can't deny that other than the lost fumbles and a couple of picks that combined cost the team a few games, his play and stats this year otherwise was top ten. Did we all forget that from jump the D was a mash unit and until the last qtr of the season was the major team negative. The dropped ints coulped with the missed tackles were disgraceful. The special teams were anything but. Injuries on the O side of the ball were less noted but slowed the unit all year. Consider your two starting guards, right tackle, tight end, fullback, and fastest wideout missed significant time. The entire receiving corps had a ridiculous number of dropped passes, many that would have converted 3rd downs into 1st downs, several that were sure touchdowns. Our most productive wideout, Joe Horn, played all year on a bad knee without a threat on the opposite side due to Donte being out half of the year. Our inability to pick up a 1st down on 3rd or 4th and one was pathetic. Some of the blame there goes to the play calling as much as player execution as a defense playing short yardage D has a good chance to blow a play up and penetrate into the backfield when the play being run is a handoff to the tailback 7 yards deep. Late in the season they choose to go to the oldest play in the book, the quarterback sneak, and it succeeded every time. Wow! Bad officiating (acknolwedged by the nfl) contributed to a couple of losses. OK, enough of the 2003 recap. The point of the subject is that the team believes they are only a few players away but the QB position is not the one they plan on changing. I agree. We'll win more in 04!

BillyC · 01-30-2004, 10:15 AM

Anyone that believes that the Saints will give up picks and or players and the bank to get Eli and that if done will change the immediate team record for the better must be on the pipe.

I have to admit, I didn\'t think there was any chance that we would go after Eli Manning. But, there seems to be rumblings this might actually happen. I was very sceptical when the rumors first started, but these rumors seem to be true.

I even thought this article was a FAKE:

From the Saints board:

Saints Prepared to Make Draft Day History ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Again

29JAN04 0940EST
By API reporter Less Ahness

Just three seasons removed from one of the most controversial and bizarre draft day spectacles in the history of the NFL, it appears that the team from the Big Easy is ready for more of the same. Anonymous sources close to the SaintsÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ brass have reported that New Orleans, which holds two picks in the second round, thanks to the Turley trade with the Rams, is prepared to offer both second round picks and its first round pick (#18) to San Diego for the right to pick first. The source wasnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t able to pinpoint the target of the Saints manuevering; however there is widespread speculation that the Saints could be learning what Indy knew several years back when they picked a Manning first overall;
that is: a Manning under center equals wins for an organization. It is believed , that under the tutelage of seasoned veteran Aaron Brooks, Manning could be the franchise savior that former coach Mike Ditka envisioned Ricky Williams to be. Many experts believe that Aaron Brooks would garner at least a first round pick in a trade. Some say just a first round wouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t be enough for the gunslinger out of Virginia, who once served as a Brett Farve backup. They believe that a package deal with a first round pick and top LB or CB included would be a fair if not good deal to perspective suitors of BrooksÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ talents. Washington Redskins new head coach Joe Gibbs is said to be so enamored with Brooks, that a first round pick and disgruntled CB Champ Bailey as a trade to finish off the package deal would be acceptable if it were doable this season (2004). Attempts to reach Chargers headquarters were unsuccessful.

My biggest nightmare:

Champ Bailey in a Saints uniform.....???!!!!

But it\'s true, the Saints are going after Eli. Who would have thought it? Less Ahness is really on top of his game. I\'m trying to comfirm Less Honest ( I mean Less Ahness) story through WWL. I have e-mailed them the story and as soon as I receive an answer, I will post it here.

[Edited on 30/1/2004 by JOESAM2002]

BlackandBlue · 01-30-2004, 10:27 AM

Calm down, Billy, you don\'t need to prove that this myth is...well...a myth. I would think the #1 pick in the draft would be worth more than a late 1st rounder and two late 2nd rounders. I think SFinAustin has that value chart that all the coaches use when determining the value of draft picks, and if my memory serves me correctly, our first three picks would not equal out to the 1st pick in the draft.

BillyC · 01-30-2004, 10:50 AM

Calm down, Billy, you don\'t need to prove that this myth is...well...a myth

Ok. I\'m all calm now. I just thought the story was BS and I called it like I saw it. But, my blood pressure is down to a safe level now. :P

BlackandBlue · 01-30-2004, 11:03 AM

Good to see you breathing in regular patterns again :P

WhoDat · 01-30-2004, 03:45 PM

You never know. A Manning back in black and gold might do a lot to generate interest in the team and get Haslett off the hotseat for a while. Benson makes more money, everyone is happy. Just a thought... and some more gas for the fire.

01-30-2004, 01:17 AM	#1
SaintNik 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 312	Pipe Dreaming Anyone that believes that the Saints will give up picks and or players and the bank to get Eli and that if done will change the immediate team record for the better must be on the pipe. This coaching staff knows it must win now, not later. Rookie QBs seldom have anything other than moderate success if even given a chance to play. By now everyone should believe that Haz is commited to AB. We need players not a single savior. All of the Brooks haters/bashers can't deny that other than the lost fumbles and a couple of picks that combined cost the team a few games, his play and stats this year otherwise was top ten. Did we all forget that from jump the D was a mash unit and until the last qtr of the season was the major team negative. The dropped ints coulped with the missed tackles were disgraceful. The special teams were anything but. Injuries on the O side of the ball were less noted but slowed the unit all year. Consider your two starting guards, right tackle, tight end, fullback, and fastest wideout missed significant time. The entire receiving corps had a ridiculous number of dropped passes, many that would have converted 3rd downs into 1st downs, several that were sure touchdowns. Our most productive wideout, Joe Horn, played all year on a bad knee without a threat on the opposite side due to Donte being out half of the year. Our inability to pick up a 1st down on 3rd or 4th and one was pathetic. Some of the blame there goes to the play calling as much as player execution as a defense playing short yardage D has a good chance to blow a play up and penetrate into the backfield when the play being run is a handoff to the tailback 7 yards deep. Late in the season they choose to go to the oldest play in the book, the quarterback sneak, and it succeeded every time. Wow! Bad officiating (acknolwedged by the nfl) contributed to a couple of losses. OK, enough of the 2003 recap. The point of the subject is that the team believes they are only a few players away but the QB position is not the one they plan on changing. I agree. We'll win more in 04!
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01-30-2004, 10:15 AM	#2
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Pipe Dreaming Anyone that believes that the Saints will give up picks and or players and the bank to get Eli and that if done will change the immediate team record for the better must be on the pipe. I have to admit, I didn\'t think there was any chance that we would go after Eli Manning. But, there seems to be rumblings this might actually happen. I was very sceptical when the rumors first started, but these rumors seem to be true. I even thought this article was a FAKE: From the Saints board: Saints Prepared to Make Draft Day History ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Again 29JAN04 0940EST By API reporter Less Ahness Just three seasons removed from one of the most controversial and bizarre draft day spectacles in the history of the NFL, it appears that the team from the Big Easy is ready for more of the same. Anonymous sources close to the SaintsÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ brass have reported that New Orleans, which holds two picks in the second round, thanks to the Turley trade with the Rams, is prepared to offer both second round picks and its first round pick (#18) to San Diego for the right to pick first. The source wasnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t able to pinpoint the target of the Saints manuevering; however there is widespread speculation that the Saints could be learning what Indy knew several years back when they picked a Manning first overall; that is: a Manning under center equals wins for an organization. It is believed , that under the tutelage of seasoned veteran Aaron Brooks, Manning could be the franchise savior that former coach Mike Ditka envisioned Ricky Williams to be. Many experts believe that Aaron Brooks would garner at least a first round pick in a trade. Some say just a first round wouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t be enough for the gunslinger out of Virginia, who once served as a Brett Farve backup. They believe that a package deal with a first round pick and top LB or CB included would be a fair if not good deal to perspective suitors of BrooksÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ talents. Washington Redskins new head coach Joe Gibbs is said to be so enamored with Brooks, that a first round pick and disgruntled CB Champ Bailey as a trade to finish off the package deal would be acceptable if it were doable this season (2004). Attempts to reach Chargers headquarters were unsuccessful. My biggest nightmare: Champ Bailey in a Saints uniform.....???!!!! But it\'s true, the Saints are going after Eli. Who would have thought it? Less Ahness is really on top of his game. I\'m trying to comfirm Less Honest ( I mean Less Ahness) story through WWL. I have e-mailed them the story and as soon as I receive an answer, I will post it here. [Edited on 30/1/2004 by JOESAM2002]
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01-30-2004, 10:27 AM	#3
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Pipe Dreaming Calm down, Billy, you don\'t need to prove that this myth is...well...a myth. I would think the #1 pick in the draft would be worth more than a late 1st rounder and two late 2nd rounders. I think SFinAustin has that value chart that all the coaches use when determining the value of draft picks, and if my memory serves me correctly, our first three picks would not equal out to the 1st pick in the draft.

01-30-2004, 10:50 AM	#4
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Pipe Dreaming Calm down, Billy, you don\'t need to prove that this myth is...well...a myth Ok. I\'m all calm now. I just thought the story was BS and I called it like I saw it. But, my blood pressure is down to a safe level now. :P
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01-30-2004, 11:03 AM	#5
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Pipe Dreaming Good to see you breathing in regular patterns again :P

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01-30-2004, 03:45 PM	#6
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Pipe Dreaming You never know. A Manning back in black and gold might do a lot to generate interest in the team and get Haslett off the hotseat for a while. Benson makes more money, everyone is happy. Just a thought... and some more gas for the fire.
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