Saints First Round Picks > FAIL!

jeanpierre · 10-18-2011, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Like I've said a million and one times before...

Absolutely terrible terrible... terribly flawed and faulty logic.

They start when they're ready to contribute. Jobs are earned, not given. Being a first round pick does not give you the right to start right away. Players have to make adjustments and some people have a larger learning curve than the other.

Go back to fantasy land man... from the looks of it, you should dominate every league you're in.

This coming from the guy in quicksand; what we've learned from your discussion:

Ignore the past, look to the future...

You've said the same thing 1,000,001 times...

First Round Picks should have no more expectations on them as Sixth Round Picks or Rookie Free Agents...

And yes, I do lead my Fantasy League in points, Thank You...

Go back to whatever land you need to; I'm thrilled to be right where I am!

st thomas · 10-18-2011, 10:19 PM

everyone close ur eyes and just imagine drew was a 1st rd pick of ours and we can say wow what a pick. lol. just trying to be friendly yall

saintfan · 10-18-2011, 10:25 PM

The only way to judge this is to compare what the Saints results are with other teams. I've never been big on all the draft prognostication that starts for the next year before the current years draft even starts, and I'm even less inclined to look back a decade later and say "If we had only..."

And one thing I always do is I always expect less from the first rounder than probably most people do. It's a crap shoot. It always will be.

jeanpierre · 10-18-2011, 10:33 PM

We could be like the Redskins and trade every pick away and geaux for proven vets like they do...

It is chance, but you'd expect better results as compared to other teams...

You're right, though...we could be the Bengals...

st thomas · 10-18-2011, 10:43 PM

i believe our 2 1st rounders are doing okay, cam jordan was not a sack master in college he applied great pressure and was a sure tackler. now for ingram like someone said earlier hes in a 3 man rotation so hard to say; hes not getting 25 touches like some 1st round rbs do. i would think he could get that 100 yard per game with ease with all the attention. just saying guys they are far from being bust in my book.

jeanpierre · 10-18-2011, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

i believe our 2 1st rounders are doing okay, cam jordan was not a sack master in college he applied great pressure and was a sure tackler. now for ingram like someone said earlier hes in a 3 man rotation so hard to say; hes not getting 25 touches like some 1st round rbs do. i would think he could get that 100 yard per game with ease with all the attention. just saying guys they are far from being bust in my book.

You're right, you need two-three years to evaluate; that's why I posted the "jury" comments...

Jordan, I expected a little more with the attention I thought Smith, Ellis, Rogers/Franklin would command; many of us expected all four to now be a threat and it just hasn't happened...yet; I'm optimistic and hopeful...

Ingram seems to be getting stuffed alot; though I saw one play where he got more on his second effort (good to see); I'm as disappointed in our Oline as the RB production; but Sproiles has had success running even though his receiving options has been outstanding...

Euphoria · 10-18-2011, 11:02 PM

There is a couple that are major disappointments but the draft is what it is a gamble.

We do tend to have better luck in later rounds and I have become a believer that we should trade our first round pics for later round pics because of that.

jeanpierre · 10-18-2011, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

There is a couple that are major disappointments but the draft is what it is a gamble.

We do tend to have better luck in later rounds and I have become a believer that we should trade our first round pics for later round pics because of that.

I think you're on to something...

SAINTstunna · 10-19-2011, 01:00 AM

enuff of the black on gold crime already! caint we all just get along???

SaintsRule11 · 10-19-2011, 01:01 AM

I disagree that Robert Meachem is a bust. Drew spreads the ball around so much it would be impossible to tell. And you could argue Meachem singlehandedly got us the number one seed in 2009 by REFUSING to allow the Redskins to beat us.

10-18-2011, 10:12 PM	#21
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz Like I've said a million and one times before... Absolutely terrible terrible... terribly flawed and faulty logic. They start when they're ready to contribute. Jobs are earned, not given. Being a first round pick does not give you the right to start right away. Players have to make adjustments and some people have a larger learning curve than the other. Go back to fantasy land man... from the looks of it, you should dominate every league you're in. This coming from the guy in quicksand; what we've learned from your discussion: Ignore the past, look to the future... You've said the same thing 1,000,001 times... First Round Picks should have no more expectations on them as Sixth Round Picks or Rookie Free Agents... And yes, I do lead my Fantasy League in points, Thank You... Go back to whatever land you need to; I'm thrilled to be right where I am!

10-18-2011, 10:19 PM	#22
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	everyone close ur eyes and just imagine drew was a 1st rd pick of ours and we can say wow what a pick. lol. just trying to be friendly yall saintfan likes this.

10-18-2011, 10:49 PM	#26
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by st thomas i believe our 2 1st rounders are doing okay, cam jordan was not a sack master in college he applied great pressure and was a sure tackler. now for ingram like someone said earlier hes in a 3 man rotation so hard to say; hes not getting 25 touches like some 1st round rbs do. i would think he could get that 100 yard per game with ease with all the attention. just saying guys they are far from being bust in my book. You're right, you need two-three years to evaluate; that's why I posted the "jury" comments... Jordan, I expected a little more with the attention I thought Smith, Ellis, Rogers/Franklin would command; many of us expected all four to now be a threat and it just hasn't happened...yet; I'm optimistic and hopeful... Ingram seems to be getting stuffed alot; though I saw one play where he got more on his second effort (good to see); I'm as disappointed in our Oline as the RB production; but Sproiles has had success running even though his receiving options has been outstanding...
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10-18-2011, 11:51 PM	#28
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by Euphoria There is a couple that are major disappointments but the draft is what it is a gamble. We do tend to have better luck in later rounds and I have become a believer that we should trade our first round pics for later round pics because of that. I think you're on to something...

10-19-2011, 01:01 AM	#30
SaintsRule11 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 277	I disagree that Robert Meachem is a bust. Drew spreads the ball around so much it would be impossible to tell. And you could argue Meachem singlehandedly got us the number one seed in 2009 by REFUSING to allow the Redskins to beat us.
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10-18-2011, 10:25 PM	#23
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	The only way to judge this is to compare what the Saints results are with other teams. I've never been big on all the draft prognostication that starts for the next year before the current years draft even starts, and I'm even less inclined to look back a decade later and say "If we had only..." And one thing I always do is I always expect less from the first rounder than probably most people do. It's a crap shoot. It always will be.

10-18-2011, 10:33 PM	#24
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	We could be like the Redskins and trade every pick away and geaux for proven vets like they do... It is chance, but you'd expect better results as compared to other teams... You're right, though...we could be the Bengals...

10-18-2011, 10:43 PM	#25
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	i believe our 2 1st rounders are doing okay, cam jordan was not a sack master in college he applied great pressure and was a sure tackler. now for ingram like someone said earlier hes in a 3 man rotation so hard to say; hes not getting 25 touches like some 1st round rbs do. i would think he could get that 100 yard per game with ease with all the attention. just saying guys they are far from being bust in my book.

10-18-2011, 11:02 PM	#27
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	There is a couple that are major disappointments but the draft is what it is a gamble. We do tend to have better luck in later rounds and I have become a believer that we should trade our first round pics for later round pics because of that.

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SAINTstunna 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: SACRAMENTO, CA Posts: 249 Blog Entries: 9	enuff of the black on gold crime already! caint we all just get along???

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