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Old 10-19-2011, 09:59 PM   #51
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Super Bowl title and another trip to the NFC Championship game with those players... nuff said.
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Old 10-20-2011, 01:05 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
Super Bowl title and another trip to the NFC Championship game with those players... nuff said.

You trying to steal my thunder?...lol...i agree....thats my logic. the draft is a crapshoot and im rolliin 7s
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Old 10-20-2011, 05:23 AM   #53
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I think overall those are some solid 1st rounders, because the odds are that a team can't strike oil with all of their 1st round picks. While I agree that the first two on your list were on the weak side - some of the more recent ones have been quite good if you compare them to other draft picks in the same year and position (since it seems that the Saints tend to draft based on a need).

And I disagree that the Saints might have been able to trade down and get Robinson, for example, in the 2nd round, because he was by far the best CB in that year's draft - which is a position that the Saints desperately needed to strengthen.

While there's a huge gamble involved with the 1st round picks - largely because of the hype, expectations, and money involved - it wouldn't be smart for the Saints to start trading away their high picks for double the lower ones simply because a team like the Patriots have been somewhat successful with that philosophy (they have busts too). 1st round picks get the fans excited for the new season, sell merchandise, and tickets - and most importantly - provide the ammunition for threads like these where fans can debate the success rate of their team's scouting.

Talking about the Saints' scouting... it would be interesting to know who is responsible for the success they have had with the UDFAs, especially from the small schools like Tiffan, because that to me is more impressive than picking out who performs the best in the combines. Is the person responsible for that Ryan Pace, Rick Reiprish, or someone else on the scouting staff? Or is that something that was signaled as a desired direction of evolution from the upstairs? IDK, but I for one would be interested in finding out.

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Old 10-20-2011, 12:15 PM   #54
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Pat Robinson is going to be a Probowl level CB. You can see the talent that made him a 1st rounder. CB is one of the hardest positions in the league and the kid looks good to me. Good pick

Cam Jordan will be a very good player for us in the years to come. He's not great but he I think it was a good pick. We still need a big time pass rusher and he ain't it. Still, good pick.

Ingram continues to improve and I think he'll become another tool in SP bag of tricks but I don't know if he'll live up to the price we paid for him. It's too early to say though.

Jenkins is a good safety. He's already upper tier but his inability to catch will keep him from ever being an All Pro caliber player. Definitely a good pick.

Sed Ellis is a good DL. It's kind of borderline but I'd still say it was a good pick. The good thing is that DTs seem to get better as they mature so I'm hoping this grade will improve.

Robert Meachem? Meh. Not a bust but not a good 1st round pick.

I'm not even going to get into the Bush pick.

Overall good, not excellent or great.
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I think the Miami game was where we set the tone to win the SB. Bush had one of the most amazing TDs in history in that game.
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:41 AM   #56
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2011 Pick 28 Mark Ingram, Jr., RB Alabama

"When you consider the premium on draft picks after the changes in the CBA, and the cache given to New England to get him; the low YPC and failed conversions on short yardage situations, he's disappointing and underwhelming; nothing like what Saints Nation was sold on...Jury asks to be excused as their Grandma is sick; you were supposed to be the Rookie Offensive Player of the Year, not the guy from Auburn..."

our O line SUCKS CAAACK. blame it on them.
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2011 Pick 28 Mark Ingram, Jr., RB Alabama

"When you consider the premium on draft picks after the changes in the CBA, and the cache given to New England to get him; the low YPC and failed conversions on short yardage situations, he's disappointing and underwhelming; nothing like what Saints Nation was sold on...Jury asks to be excused as their Grandma is sick; you were supposed to be the Rookie Offensive Player of the Year, not the guy from Auburn..."

our O line SUCKS CAAACK. blame it on them.
A 2nd rounder is now a cache of picks? Wow.

He's averaging 3.5 yards per carry on short yardage, and only failed on one 4th down conversion so far (stuffed behind the LOS vs Green Bay).

His YPC needs to improve, and I think it will, but the rest is quite dubious.

He hasn't looked great yet, but he certainly hasn't looked bad either.
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Old 10-22-2011, 12:57 PM   #58
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Hmm - we hjave not had a great history of 1st round picks. I can bring up Wicky WIlliams & Vaughn DUnbar (eck)
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:24 AM   #59
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Let the Chargers front office do all the work. They draft them. We sign them and win Superbowls! With the advent of free agentcy a miss in the draft is not as costly as it once was.
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Every NFL team has had some first round flops but you can't judge this year's draft with the lack of NFL training camp this year. Ther is a huge transition from college to pro and they had a very short time to learn the system. Look for everyone to step up their play for the second half of the season.
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