Time for a bit of reality
 

While watching that demolition, it occurred to me that we are one missed blocking assignment from being in the same boat as the Colts.

The Irsay management team have gone all in on Manning, giving him a $100 million contract and leaving no room for much else. That team has no depth, no balance and no future. It will be 3-5 years before they can claim enough parts, train enough and establish an identity that can compete at a playoff level.

I'm not going to say that Brees isn't worth $100 million. I am saying we got a huge look through the crystal ball at what our future will be. Brees doesnt even need to get injured, the impending rot will infuse the core and we will be what we have spent 44 years trying to shed.

We MUST find the next Brees and set him up for success. We cannot be certain of avoiding the colts fate, but we have to not repeat their colossal failure to contingency plan. We must lobby Saints management not to go all in on one player. There is NO excuse given the horrifying display last night

Lets see, good O-line and still young, very good RB's, very good WR's, excellent TE, good FB's, very good CB's, very good safeties, great Punter, good kicker, and some young promising players in Jordan, Wilson, Patrick, Robinson, Quddus, Galette, Jenkins, Casillas.

I fail to see your eggs in one basket viewpoint. We're light years ahead of where the Colts are.

I don't think Chase is all that bad either. Xan, the glass really is half full.

Brees knows this. I wonder if he will sign for less.
In any case, a QB like Brees makes for a lot of sins.

We also have a much much better coach then the colts.

Think about the difference between the Colts and the Patriots. We are a mirror image of New England, as much as their is one. The Colts are a whole different animal, if you'll pardon the pun. :-)

Our defense is average at best. Our o-line is hanging on every game. The offense is based on reads, then being on the same page, then the qb delivering much the exact same way manning ran the Colts offense. I really don't see much difference between the colts and saints. And the pats are in the same boat, no backup as well. We didn't put chase in until it was 55-7. And he didn't throw a pass. How is it developing a transition if he doesn't even change the play at the line from run left to run right??

My point is that dynasties reload before their chambers are empty. We should reload at qb as soon as possible. We should resist mortgaging the future to overpay and mortgage the future.

It's a plausible situation and this is a quarterbacks league...

Also, I know that while I love many of our players, many of them are average at best and Brees play at quarterback makes offensive components better and erases bad performances by the defense. (Dwight Freeney, where has thou star gone without Peyton?)

A good example in history to learn from are the San Francisco 49ers; even though Montana, an average, pedestrian athlete but quarterbacking god was on top of his game, Bill Walsh (who Payton could draw comparisons) still went out and got Steve Young who was rotting in Tampa...

If I'm Coach P, I'm kicking Mickey and that scouting department in their ass to find me Drew's line of succession...

If the unmentionable happened would Loomis get the QB from our minor league team for season?

I think the biggest problem with the colts is that they never reloaded. Loomis is always looking for new and better talent and bringing in what looks to be upgrades, it doesn't always work out but sometimes it does.

While I don't think the Saints would be near an often playoff team without Brees, I do think they'd still have a chance at being a good team.

Brees is the type of QB that finishes, changes, and ultimately decides a game. But, there has been instances where teams with rather lackluster QB's have down well. (Jets of today, Ravens with Dilfer, on and on)

I do think the items are in place for a new QB talent to come in and progress. But will the Saints ever be the team they are now with Brees? No.

Brees probably has 4-5 very good years left in the tank. Finding a succesor to sit on the sidelines for that length of time seems a bit premature. Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers are the only 2 QBs that come to mind that were able to make their fans forget their predecessors after spending a petiod of time holding the clipboard.

That was before Free Agency. It could never happen again. :smokin:

I thought exactly the same thing.

I think Sean Payton makes the difference.
He is smart enough not to put a weak arm in strong arm situations.
Payton would scheme to the strengths of whoever our backup would be.
The level of talent that he keeps on the offensive roster would allow even a mediocre QB some success.
We may not light up SportsCenter, but we would look nothing like Indy did Sunday night.

PS- Manning being hurt has nothing to do with the Colts poor showing on defense.

I get the feeling Payton and Drew will probably leave at the same time. When Drew is done, Payton heads to NFLN or retires outright.

^This. The 2 QB's mentioned above Young and Rodgers only sat on the bench for 3 years before they were the starters. Barring the worst event possible Brees has probably 5-6 good years left and there is no way you can get his replacement now or in the next 2 years. Brees' replacement is probably a senior in high school right now!

PS- Manning being hurt has nothing to do with the Colts poor showing on defense.[/QUOTE]

Yep. The Colts are also missing their best LB Brackett and DB Bullit who are on IR.

Is Brunell available?

This is why we have so many running backs. :bng:

I like Chase Daniel. I think he has a future here as a possible successor to Drew down the road. On that note, I've been advocating a quarterback selection with a mid to high round pick to develop so we don't put all our eggs in one basket. The one thing I don't agree on is that we're one injury away from being the Colts. We have more depth and talent than they do. They've historically over the past decade had a average offensive line and a terrible interior line on the defensive side of the ball(where football games are won). Their vets are aging and we plenty of youth and athleticism on both sides sides. If Brees were to go down, I believe this team can hover around being a .500 team. The Colts are 0-7.

We are fairly young at most positions. C. Daniels could be the next best thing, he's being schooled by the best thing. The O- line will get 1-2 players younger next year so will the D, my concern is DT and recievers, we have the best recievers in the league, but Payton will always want new toys. A young DT will be a must, I wish we got one last year for S.Rodgers to teach. Got to reload or it's back to the old days,I don't want to be there again.

Kase Keenam...has Houston 7 and O..can throw 60 times a game if needed.....been following him from the start..i would love to land him in the 3rd..He is Drew all over again..

Chase is improving a lot. I won't go out on a limb yet and call him a Drew Brees clone. However, I think Chase is far better then Curtis Painter!

We are two to three years from having to make this decision. For now Chase is good enough.

I'm a couple of years away from freaking out.

The other MAJOR difference between the Colts and the Saints, that cannot be under-estimated, is that the Colts philosophy to win relies entirely on a handful of highly paid and featured "star" players (Manning, Freeney, Brackett, Wayne etc), and then a large chunk of the rest of their whole team is pretty much comprised of undrafted free agents, low draft picks, nobodies, and marginal players at best. On the surface they look a little similar to the Saints, in that way, but there is a BIG difference in WHO they are as a team.

Most of the Colts' current problems aside from the QB position, especially their defensive problems, are really caused by poor coaching and by their front office's lack of good talent evaluation... We've all seen how Payton and Loomis can find incredible "diamonds in the rough," and then they coach and groom them up to being formidable NFL caliber players (Jimmy Graham, anyone?). The Colts may seem like they share a bit of that interest or emphasis on unsung talent, but they CLEARLY lack the coaching and front office vision required to find and nurture those really solid players, to complete the pieces of their team they need around their handful of anointed "stars." THAT is a huge difference.

Enjoy the ride, I say. Drew's future replacement probably has a cute girlfriend and his first car, and is probably playing ball in high school someplace.

Stillone of the best asses ever on your avatar.

I think we need to get a good QB fo thr future - I vote for Russell Wilson!!

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Cots believe in getting in shoot outs.

With the Colts offense, they can force teams to throw to keep up with them and so they were able to get a pretty good pass rush to off set that.

Its kind of hard to do with Manning out.

Next year they will be the most improved team in the league, hand down.

Most teams would do anything to have the problem of having to pay their franchise QB 20 million a year.

laughing the freakin outloud rugby

why don't the bensons offer drew a small part of the team like 2% and we won't go broke one, and 2 we'll keep drew around forever and he won't tolerate a losing franchize ever. ala pretty boy john denver

Brees will replace Payton, and Payton Loomis