Balance or bust

Haps Biggest Fan · 10-31-2011, 11:10 AM

When they can't get it done it's because the guy not wearing black and gold is a better football player. It's the personnel that needs to get better. That doesn't happen in half a season.

strato · 10-31-2011, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Haps Biggest Fan

That's exactly what I'm saying. Lemme say this: I know that the book at the beginning of the season told us that the Saints have the "best two guards in the league", but, reality always trumps the book. They don't look like the best two guards right now, but, not only that: the O Line Tackles are weak. The O Line is weak. If there are no holes to run through, you need an Earl Campbell to MAKE the hole, and the Saints don't have anybody like that on the roster.

Defensively? We know all about the Saints defense. It's not going to win games for you.

So, I'm saying that in my humble opinion, the Saints are in trouble, because they just don't have the horses. They have one Secretariat, and that's Drew Brees. Jimmy Graham is a thoroughbred, and there are one or two others. The rest of the roster has lots of nags.

So, I don't think you'll see the Saints running game get going this season. If they were capable of it, we'd see it already. They aren't capable of it. Just my take on it. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm just judging on what I see now that half the regular season is over.

I guess we will never know unless we try..as was stated too may subs in and out...

That wont cut it..

halloween 65 · 10-31-2011, 11:33 AM

Last wk. Freeney couldn't do anything against us, I know for a fact he is much better than the DE's we faced yesterday. Scheme is everything,mix and match all you want if you don't execute you get your tail handed to you on a silver platter like yesterday. No one on this sight or any where else can tell me we don't have a great not good but great offense they played about as bad as a team could. No excuses can be made just poor,poor play.

strato · 10-31-2011, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Last wk. Freeney couldn't do anything against us, I know for a fact he is much better than the DE's we faced yesterday. Scheme is everything,mix and match all you want if you don't execute you get your tail handed to you on a silver platter like yesterday. No one on this sight or any where else can tell me we don't have a great not good but great offense they played about as bad as a team could. No excuses can be made just poor,poor play.

I agree..i thought with us playing the worst rush D in the league and Ivory coming back ..we would pound the ball...oh well

halloween 65 · 10-31-2011, 11:44 AM

As for the D we all know it has always been gashed on the run, if it was a paper cut it would not be so bad but 180+ yards thats being cut across the throat to bleed to death, not acceptable from any team especially ours.

strato · 10-31-2011, 01:02 PM

a quote from Pat Y today..bout sums it up.

Mystery of the day: Yeah, I know the Saints fell behind and it’s common to abandon the running game when that happens. But the Saints never really used the running game before things got out of hand. They barely ran the trio of Chris Ivory, Darren Sproles and Pierre Thomas against a St. Louis defense that had been having lots of problems stopping the run. And the Saints can’t use Mark Ingram’s absence (due to a bruised heel) as an excuse. Ivory was their leading rusher last season and Sproles and Thomas had been running well this season.

9thWardDesire · 11-01-2011, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Yeah since everyone is throwing out theories ..here's one for ya..

BALANCE!

We need to use our RBs which we have and not get the virus..the Rams showed if you stick with the running game it pays off...we panic when we dont score quick and often and unless Drew has protection and the receivers can get seperation...this is what happens..

I have seen it over and over again from this group since 06...look at the 06 championship game...look at 07 ..08 last year...its a trend... when we had balance on O...that would be 09...we won it all...our D is not great but with no help from the offense to eat up some clock....they never leave the field.

I hope we take advantage of our staple of RBs..i love to see Drew light it up...but only when needed...

We better work exclusively on run blocking this week..or it will be the same old story..

If Dallas can break a record with a rookie against the Lambs and we cant even get 3 good RBs going ..then we deserved to lose...Payton needs to have a balanced game plan..and stick with it..

EXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXACTLY!!

darstep · 11-01-2011, 02:18 PM

A balanced game plan and STICK with it! Stick with the run that was planned.
It must taste like yuck on Payton's palette.
...and then give him heartburn on the way down.
...and burn like fire on the way out.

Payton needs to give the O-line something to live for (running game).

Maverick2299 · 11-01-2011, 02:50 PM

I think Sean Payton is missed.

CharityMike · 11-01-2011, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Maverick2299

I think Sean Payton is missed.

Is he? I only say this because it was reported that for the Colts game Carmichael called all the plays. They said Sean would be more involved in the play calling for the Rams game. We ran the ball a good bit in the Colts game. Didn't run it hardly at all in the Rams game. Sounds to me like Sean was very involved for this game hence the no running. Just sayin.

10-31-2011, 11:25 AM	#12
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by Haps Biggest Fan That's exactly what I'm saying. Lemme say this: I know that the book at the beginning of the season told us that the Saints have the "best two guards in the league", but, reality always trumps the book. They don't look like the best two guards right now, but, not only that: the O Line Tackles are weak. The O Line is weak. If there are no holes to run through, you need an Earl Campbell to MAKE the hole, and the Saints don't have anybody like that on the roster. Defensively? We know all about the Saints defense. It's not going to win games for you. So, I'm saying that in my humble opinion, the Saints are in trouble, because they just don't have the horses. They have one Secretariat, and that's Drew Brees. Jimmy Graham is a thoroughbred, and there are one or two others. The rest of the roster has lots of nags. So, I don't think you'll see the Saints running game get going this season. If they were capable of it, we'd see it already. They aren't capable of it. Just my take on it. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm just judging on what I see now that half the regular season is over. I guess we will never know unless we try..as was stated too may subs in and out... That wont cut it..

10-31-2011, 11:33 AM	#13
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Last wk. Freeney couldn't do anything against us, I know for a fact he is much better than the DE's we faced yesterday. Scheme is everything,mix and match all you want if you don't execute you get your tail handed to you on a silver platter like yesterday. No one on this sight or any where else can tell me we don't have a great not good but great offense they played about as bad as a team could. No excuses can be made just poor,poor play. CharityMike likes this.

10-31-2011, 11:37 AM	#14
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by halloween 65 Last wk. Freeney couldn't do anything against us, I know for a fact he is much better than the DE's we faced yesterday. Scheme is everything,mix and match all you want if you don't execute you get your tail handed to you on a silver platter like yesterday. No one on this sight or any where else can tell me we don't have a great not good but great offense they played about as bad as a team could. No excuses can be made just poor,poor play. I agree..i thought with us playing the worst rush D in the league and Ivory coming back ..we would pound the ball...oh well

11-01-2011, 01:14 PM	#17
9thWardDesire The Owner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA (10/1/13) Posts: 791	Originally Posted by strato Yeah since everyone is throwing out theories ..here's one for ya.. BALANCE! We need to use our RBs which we have and not get the virus..the Rams showed if you stick with the running game it pays off...we panic when we dont score quick and often and unless Drew has protection and the receivers can get seperation...this is what happens.. I have seen it over and over again from this group since 06...look at the 06 championship game...look at 07 ..08 last year...its a trend... when we had balance on O...that would be 09...we won it all...our D is not great but with no help from the offense to eat up some clock....they never leave the field. I hope we take advantage of our staple of RBs..i love to see Drew light it up...but only when needed... We better work exclusively on run blocking this week..or it will be the same old story.. If Dallas can break a record with a rookie against the Lambs and we cant even get 3 good RBs going ..then we deserved to lose...Payton needs to have a balanced game plan..and stick with it.. EXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXACTLY!!

11-01-2011, 02:18 PM	#18
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	A balanced game plan and STICK with it! Stick with the run that was planned. It must taste like yuck on Payton's palette. ...and then give him heartburn on the way down. ...and burn like fire on the way out. Payton needs to give the O-line something to live for (running game). strato and Michigan_SF like this.

10-31-2011, 11:10 AM	#11
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	When they can't get it done it's because the guy not wearing black and gold is a better football player. It's the personnel that needs to get better. That doesn't happen in half a season.

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10-31-2011, 11:44 AM	#15
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	As for the D we all know it has always been gashed on the run, if it was a paper cut it would not be so bad but 180+ yards thats being cut across the throat to bleed to death, not acceptable from any team especially ours.

10-31-2011, 01:02 PM	#16
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	a quote from Pat Y today..bout sums it up. Mystery of the day: Yeah, I know the Saints fell behind and it’s common to abandon the running game when that happens. But the Saints never really used the running game before things got out of hand. They barely ran the trio of Chris Ivory, Darren Sproles and Pierre Thomas against a St. Louis defense that had been having lots of problems stopping the run. And the Saints can’t use Mark Ingram’s absence (due to a bruised heel) as an excuse. Ivory was their leading rusher last season and Sproles and Thomas had been running well this season.

11-01-2011, 02:50 PM	#19
Maverick2299 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: VA Posts: 368	I think Sean Payton is missed.

11-01-2011, 04:57 PM	#20
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by Maverick2299 I think Sean Payton is missed. Is he? I only say this because it was reported that for the Colts game Carmichael called all the plays. They said Sean would be more involved in the play calling for the Rams game. We ran the ball a good bit in the Colts game. Didn't run it hardly at all in the Rams game. Sounds to me like Sean was very involved for this game hence the no running. Just sayin.