The Truth about Greg Williams

papz · 10-31-2011, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

The thing is that the Saints' D does not need to be the best in the league in any category - they only need to be at least as good as the D on the other side of the field on any given Sunday.

I think this is what some people fail to understand. We don't need to have the top defense... or even one of the top defenses in this league to accomplish our goal. We've done it before... as have many other teams that has won a Superbowl.

strato · 10-31-2011, 08:20 PM

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Maverick2299 · 10-31-2011, 08:33 PM

This is correct you do not have to have the best D, but if you don't you better be getting turnovers.

The last 8 Superbowl winners have all been in the top 10 in at-least 1 of the 3 categories.

The last 8 Superbowl losers with the exception of 1 (Cardinals) have been in the top 10 in at-least 1 of the 3 categories.

In fact 6 of the 8 Superbowl winners have been in the top 10 in turnovers.

Packers 2nd points, 5th yards, 4th turnovers
Saints 20th Points, 25th yards, 3rd Turnovers
Steelers 1st Points, 1st yards, 11th turnovers
Giants 17th points, 7th yards, 26th turnovers
Colts 17th points, 21st yards, 6th turnovers
Steelers 3rd points, 4th yards, 9th turnovers
Patriots 2 points, 9th yards, 8th turnovers
Patriots 1st points, 7th yards, 2nd turnovers

There is also something to be said about getting hot at the right time. The 2007 giants and the 2008 Cardinals turned into turnover machines in the playoffs.

I think the saints defense is decent, and the rams game was an improvement in terms of the Saints Defense. But right now the D is not dominating in any category.

Again I am actually a Greg Williams supporter, just stating the facts.

strato · 10-31-2011, 08:40 PM

I saw three dropped INTS this week...our DBs just cant catch..when we had Sharper back there we feasted...i don't think we can be a dominate D with our personnel... If we can get to middle of the road..with our offense that would be enough....

Maverick2299 · 10-31-2011, 08:44 PM

Indeed the entire secondary seems to have stone hands.

MatthewT · 10-31-2011, 09:04 PM

I think the biggest issue has to be the dropped interceptions, which has been occurring all season long. Gregg Williams is running a high risk/high reward type of defense, but seriously, when you get a chance at the high reward play, like an interception, you need to capitalize on it.

FinSaint · 11-01-2011, 03:57 AM

And all this comes back to the db coach leaving to the Broncos.

Crusader · 11-01-2011, 04:51 AM

Talked to one of his former players, turnovers is not the big key to the defence for GW. getting to the QB is, thats why we are blitzing like crazy. Turnovers is just a positive side-effect.

FireVenturi · 11-01-2011, 05:21 AM

I think we should look a the players as well as the coaching. Our D line and secondary are overrated by us locals, and the linebackers....well yea, they stink. Vilma has to be hurting more than anyone is leading on. he doesn't look like he wants to be out there at times.

Beastmode · 11-01-2011, 07:07 AM

He does look less animated this year, not much emotion. Even when they make a solid play. The long 3rd down conversions though are becoming too frequent. 3rd and 12, 3rd and 15....very troubling. Add to that the missed turnovers opportunities. Brees has to have an amazing performance to compensate for it. He can do it but not every single game.

10-31-2011, 08:04 PM	#11
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Originally Posted by FinSaint The thing is that the Saints' D does not need to be the best in the league in any category - they only need to be at least as good as the D on the other side of the field on any given Sunday. I think this is what some people fail to understand. We don't need to have the top defense... or even one of the top defenses in this league to accomplish our goal. We've done it before... as have many other teams that has won a Superbowl.

10-31-2011, 09:04 PM	#16
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,705	I think the biggest issue has to be the dropped interceptions, which has been occurring all season long. Gregg Williams is running a high risk/high reward type of defense, but seriously, when you get a chance at the high reward play, like an interception, you need to capitalize on it. \|Mitch\| likes this.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	He does look less animated this year, not much emotion. Even when they make a solid play. The long 3rd down conversions though are becoming too frequent. 3rd and 12, 3rd and 15....very troubling. Add to that the missed turnovers opportunities. Brees has to have an amazing performance to compensate for it. He can do it but not every single game.
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10-31-2011, 08:33 PM	#13
Maverick2299 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: VA Posts: 368	This is correct you do not have to have the best D, but if you don't you better be getting turnovers. The last 8 Superbowl winners have all been in the top 10 in at-least 1 of the 3 categories. The last 8 Superbowl losers with the exception of 1 (Cardinals) have been in the top 10 in at-least 1 of the 3 categories. In fact 6 of the 8 Superbowl winners have been in the top 10 in turnovers. Packers 2nd points, 5th yards, 4th turnovers Saints 20th Points, 25th yards, 3rd Turnovers Steelers 1st Points, 1st yards, 11th turnovers Giants 17th points, 7th yards, 26th turnovers Colts 17th points, 21st yards, 6th turnovers Steelers 3rd points, 4th yards, 9th turnovers Patriots 2 points, 9th yards, 8th turnovers Patriots 1st points, 7th yards, 2nd turnovers There is also something to be said about getting hot at the right time. The 2007 giants and the 2008 Cardinals turned into turnover machines in the playoffs. I think the saints defense is decent, and the rams game was an improvement in terms of the Saints Defense. But right now the D is not dominating in any category. Again I am actually a Greg Williams supporter, just stating the facts.

10-31-2011, 08:40 PM	#14
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	I saw three dropped INTS this week...our DBs just cant catch..when we had Sharper back there we feasted...i don't think we can be a dominate D with our personnel... If we can get to middle of the road..with our offense that would be enough....

10-31-2011, 08:44 PM	#15
Maverick2299 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: VA Posts: 368	Indeed the entire secondary seems to have stone hands.

11-01-2011, 03:57 AM	#17
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	And all this comes back to the db coach leaving to the Broncos.

11-01-2011, 04:51 AM	#18
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,983	Talked to one of his former players, turnovers is not the big key to the defence for GW. getting to the QB is, thats why we are blitzing like crazy. Turnovers is just a positive side-effect.

11-01-2011, 05:21 AM	#19
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	I think we should look a the players as well as the coaching. Our D line and secondary are overrated by us locals, and the linebackers....well yea, they stink. Vilma has to be hurting more than anyone is leading on. he doesn't look like he wants to be out there at times.