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subguy 11-07-2011 03:42 AM

Drew's Decision Making
 
I love Drew and wouldn't trade him for the world. I realize that the more you throw the higher the risk for some bad things to occur, but sometimes his decision making on forcing balls becomes nerve wracking. It is difficult to rag on the guy as much as he has done for the team but enough is enough with the interceptions. No one is immune from criticizm!

jnormand 11-07-2011 09:55 AM

I agree Sub. It is very frustrating to watch Drew throw the pics. Not really sure why its happening so much. I know he doesn't look as calm as he used to in the pocket. I really don't think he trusts his line. He's been hit too many times this year.

spkb25 11-07-2011 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by subguy (Post 346122)
I love Drew and wouldn't trade him for the world. I realize that the more you throw the higher the risk for some bad things to occur, but sometimes his decision making on forcing balls becomes nerve wracking. It is difficult to rag on the guy as much as he has done for the team but enough is enough with the interceptions. No one is immune from criticizm!

My favorite player by far, and he is a good person, but I tend to agree- he needs to protect the ball a bit more. I like that he is aggressive with the ball, but sometimes he makes some bonehead plays.

NWSaintsFan 11-07-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 346180)
I agree Sub. It is very frustrating to watch Drew throw the pics. Not really sure why its happening so much. I know he doesn't look as calm as he used to in the pocket. I really don't think he trusts his line. He's been hit too many times this year.

I think he doesn't have much faith in his oline. It's been so shaky this season. I think some consistent oline play will get Brees back in his 2009 form.

He has also thrown the ball 58 more times than anyone else this season. That's a LOT more considering we are only at week 9, he is a full 2 games worth of passing ahead of most QBs, 3 games for some QBs. He is relied on more than any QB in the league, and because of that, I'm willing to cut him a little slack in that department. He needs to be more careful with the ball, but the guy throws 42 passes per game, that's insane.

Look at it this way, if we ran the ball more, we would see an increase in fumbles. Turnovers are part of the game, and if you pass a lot, expect more interceptions, if you run the ball more, expect more fumbles. Not to mention, a couple of his INTs were on pretty well thrown passes that were tipped.

He is on track for 37 touchdowns, 19 interceptions, and 5,300 yards, on 672 attempts.

So would I like less INTs? Yeah, absolutely, but I also can't blame it all on Brees.

Belair57 11-07-2011 10:40 AM

I think he hasnt been given the time he is used to, and hes ancy, making him force the ball before he is ready sometimes..but man, when he is on he is on. and when he is forcing it, its not just once in a while it tends to be for an entire half, or game sometimes.

Euphoria 11-07-2011 10:51 AM

The reason yall like him is the reason for the INT's.

He takes chances... you don't throw the ball the amount of times he does and not get INT's.

Some of them aren't his fault and some are. But he gets to a time where he has to throw the ball and he has to take a chance and rely on the target to make a play or even to make sure that the ball isn't intercepted almost playing defender instead of receiver.

Even Bret has his fair share of INT's.

NWSaintsFan 11-07-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 346192)
He takes chances... you don't throw the ball the amount of times he does and not get INT's.

This is what it boils down too.

homerj07 11-07-2011 11:13 AM

I love Drew for what he has done for the team & for the city BUT he is not EVER going to make a league MVP throwing this many Ints!! He also should not get the same amount of bucks that a Brady does because of that!!

(let the disagreemants fly....!)

spkb25 11-07-2011 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 346192)
The reason yall like him is the reason for the INT's.

He takes chances... you don't throw the ball the amount of times he does and not get INT's.

Some of them aren't his fault and some are. But he gets to a time where he has to throw the ball and he has to take a chance and rely on the target to make a play or even to make sure that the ball isn't intercepted almost playing defender instead of receiver.

Even Bret has his fair share of INT's.

I don't want Drew compared to Brett, thanks! I understand your point Euph, but not **** like the one he did yesterday, or the one in the end-zone he threw in Tampa. That's just crap mistakes man. He could do well to live without those. You're right though, I do love that he is aggressive, and I don't mind those Int's, but the one like yesterday is just bad play!

|Mitch| 11-07-2011 11:44 AM

He is also #1 in passing yards, #2 in completion percentage, touchdowns, and rating.

I'll take the bad with the good with stats like that...

jnormand 11-07-2011 11:52 AM

I agree with Mitch. I'm not pissed about the INTs. In all reality I hate Aaron Rogers and want Drew to have a better season! HA!! There I said it!

savoyk 11-07-2011 11:56 AM

+1

savoyk 11-07-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 346192)
The reason yall like him is the reason for the INT's.

He takes chances... you don't throw the ball the amount of times he does and not get INT's.

Some of them aren't his fault and some are. But he gets to a time where he has to throw the ball and he has to take a chance and rely on the target to make a play or even to make sure that the ball isn't intercepted almost playing defender instead of receiver.

Even Bret has his fair share of INT's.

+1

Euphoria 11-07-2011 12:11 PM

I don't think he cares about being league MVP... winning SB's is what he does it for.

Besides if he helped us finish the season this year like we did in '09, I don't think there would be much argument for him for MVP. I mean who else is out there showing it right now... No one really, especially since Manning is out.

NWSaintsFan 11-07-2011 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 346198)
I love Drew for what he has done for the team & for the city BUT he is not EVER going to make a league MVP throwing this many Ints!! He also should not get the same amount of bucks that a Brady does because of that!!

(let the disagreemants fly....!)


This season he has 1 more INT than Brady but also 1 more TD, not to mention 300 more yards.

CharityMike 11-07-2011 12:21 PM

Drew is a play maker. Period. Yeah it can be maddening at times but the hell with it. The W's are all that matter. It is a team game #1. If Drew try's to make something happen and gets picked, we should be able to rely on our D to get the offense the ball back.

Off topic a bit, did anyone see the GB/SD game. We complain about our D..lol
GB has some studs on there D but they are not in the secondary. I am personally looking forward to a rematch with GB. If we play them like we did this game, we win hands down. We have just as good of a passing game but a better run game when we commit to it.

Beastmode 11-07-2011 12:24 PM

Regular to post season it's a different story. He holds the record for lowest post-season interception percentage. Maybe he doesn't like using his lazer vision until the playoffs, probably not good for the cornea I don't know...

spkb25 11-07-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 346211)
He is also #1 in passing yards, #2 in completion percentage, touchdowns, and rating.

I'll take the bad with the good with stats like that...

Really good arguments!

frydaddy 11-07-2011 12:40 PM

How spoiled we must be.. seriously, nit picking the play of our multi pro bowl, record setting, super bowl winning quarterback. Ya know, I get a little frustrated with him in the heat of the moment.. then I look at the long line of failures who played the qb position for us before he came along and I thank God for drew brees

spkb25 11-07-2011 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 346231)
How spoiled we must be.. seriously, nit picking the play of our multi pro bowl, record setting, super bowl winning quarterback. Ya know, I get a little frustrated with him in the heat of the moment.. then I look at the long line of failures who played the qb position for us before he came along and I thank God for drew brees

lmao, so true!

SaintsRule11 11-07-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 346198)
I love Drew for what he has done for the team & for the city BUT he is not EVER going to make a league MVP throwing this many Ints!! He also should not get the same amount of bucks that a Brady does because of that!!

(let the disagreemants fly....!)

Then again, Brady has thrown 10 picks this year, so I wouldn't use him as a comparison. Peyton Manning threw tons of picks in 2009 (16) and 2010 (17) and he's getting top money. Maybe a better question to ask is what does a quarterback mean to his team and could his team possibly live without him. Maybe we could live without him and maybe we couldn't but I'm not really interested in finding out!

halloween 65 11-07-2011 02:13 PM

And when he leads us to the promise land {the Super Bowl} what will ya be saying then!!!!!

strato 11-07-2011 02:22 PM

One word

Gunslinger

iceshack149 11-09-2011 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 346198)
I love Drew for what he has done for the team & for the city BUT he is not EVER going to make a league MVP throwing this many Ints!! He also should not get the same amount of bucks that a Brady does because of that!!

(let the disagreemants fly....!)

He absolutely deserves the big money because of what he's done for the team and the city. And though it matters very little in the grand scheme of things, Brees should have been the league MVP in 2009. I was pretty disappointed with him not getting it.

iceshack149 11-09-2011 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 346219)
I don't think he cares about being league MVP... winning SB's is what he does it for.

Besides if he helped us finish the season this year like we did in '09, I don't think there would be much argument for him for MVP. I mean who else is out there showing it right now... No one really, especially since Manning is out.

Rodgers is playing better than anyone by far.

Danno 11-09-2011 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 346868)
He absolutely deserves the big money because of what he's done for the team and the city. And though it matters very little in the grand scheme of things, Brees should have been the league MVP in 2009. I was pretty disappointed with him not getting it.

I don't think you give someone a new contract for what they've done, you give them a new contract based on what they can do for you over the life of the new contract.

With that being said, he's gonna get a huge raise.

iceshack149 11-09-2011 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 346870)
I don't think you give someone a new contract for what they've done, you give them a new contract based on what they can do for you over the life of the new contract.

With that being said, he's gonna get a huge raise.

What a person has done shows what he's capable of and is the indicator of how they will perform in the future. We all see that Brees is one of the best players in the league and deserves the loot.

I understand that a player gets paid based on what he will bring to the team in the next few years but I would guess that his influence on the region since his arrival would affect his pay. At least Tom Condon hopes so.

Danno 11-09-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 346876)
What a person has done shows what he's capable of and is the indicator of how they will perform in the future. We all see that Brees is one of the best players in the league and deserves the loot.

I understand that a player gets paid based on what he will bring to the team in the next few years but I would guess that his influence on the region since his arrival would affect his pay. At least Tom Condon hopes so.

Thats my point. You contract him on future contributions, not past contributions under a previous contract.

But obviously past performance is a huge factor in determining what those future contibutions are.

saintfan 11-09-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 346870)
I don't think you give someone a new contract for what they've done, you give them a new contract based on what they can do for you over the life of the new contract.

With that being said, he's gonna get a huge raise.

I generally agree, however if what they've done for you is over and above, then maybe you bend the rules? I don't know...

But you're right. He's gonna get a big raise regardless.

darstep 11-09-2011 02:48 PM

I definitely recall 4 picks that hit receivers hands, and there may be more. It kind of scews the numbers. I wish receivers could get credited for picks in those cases. As many passes as Brees is throwing, there are bound to be a few off the mark, especially with the protection troubles this season. The number of decisions also go up, good and bad, and he's thrown a few that he should have been thown into the 10 row. Drew is one of the best. He has been healthy, real or perceived, for his entire Saint tenure. I would hate to have the weight of all that new money crank up the jinx machine.

iceshack149 11-09-2011 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 346884)
I definitely recall 4 picks that hit receivers hands, and there may be more. It kind of scews the numbers. I wish receivers could get credited for picks in those cases. As many passes as Brees is throwing, there are bound to be a few off the mark, especially with the protection troubles this season. The number of decisions also go up, good and bad, and he's thrown a few that he should have been thown into the 10 row. Drew is one of the best. He has been healthy, real or perceived, for his entire Saint tenure. I would hate to have the weight of all that new money crank up the jinx machine.

There were some poorly run routes that the average could see and perhaps some incorrect routes not seen by fans.

Bottom line, the guy is the most important Saints player of all time. How do you quantify that? You can't but he deserves a large sum of money.

iceshack149 11-09-2011 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 346879)
I generally agree, however if what they've done for you is over and above, then maybe you bend the rules? I don't know...

But you're right. He's gonna get a big raise regardless.

That's what I'm thinking.

Budsdrinker 11-09-2011 10:36 PM

We have to take the good with the bad but sometimes I wish Drew would just take the sack instead of throwing into double or triple coverage especially on first down. That's my only beef.

strato 11-09-2011 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 347050)
We have to take the good with the bad but sometimes I wish Drew would just take the sack instead of throwing into double or triple coverage especially on first down. That's my only beef.


Yep thats what gunslingers do..


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