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homerj07 11-13-2011 05:30 PM

Our D Line sucked
 
Check the stats - Except for Ellis our D line was almost non-existent.

Harper was a beast with 10 tackles & the sack!!

Hell even Shanle had 7 tackles to go with his Int!!

papz 11-13-2011 05:38 PM

...and they came up big when we needed them the most.

halloween 65 11-13-2011 05:46 PM

Did ya see my boy Scott " Silk Hands" Shanle today, in all actuality the turning point in the game. Great stop on 4th and inches by the D- line, on the other hand I still want to see sound tackling.

AlaskaSaints 11-13-2011 05:48 PM

Props to Danno! Harper (your boy) did himself proud today.

Alaska

WhoDat!656 11-13-2011 05:48 PM

Our defense reminds me of girls I have dated; they sucked occasionally too!!

GeauxForMore 11-13-2011 05:50 PM

The D did good and the D line stoped Turner on a 4th and inches. Im sorry but im starting to blame GW a lil. I mean they were on the one and they march right down the field on us. Three straight throws to Douglas on the same route. How come they didnt switch out of that D. And the prevent D calls need to stop.

ScottF 11-13-2011 06:03 PM

not a lot of pass pressure, but run D came up big a few times

homerj07 11-13-2011 06:05 PM

I agree D came up when thy needed it. DO we blame the players, GW or a combo of both??

spkb25 11-13-2011 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 348264)
Check the stats - Except for Ellis our D line was almost non-existent.

Harper was a beast with 10 tackles & the sack!!

Hell even Shanle had 7 tackles to go with his Int!!

They came alive for one big play!

foreverfan 11-13-2011 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 348286)
Our defense reminds me of girls I have dated; they sucked occasionally too!!

So what are you trying to say... you married Roman Harper? :D

dizzle88 11-13-2011 06:16 PM

Roman Harper is a beast when it comes to playing near the line, but he seriously needs to work on his hands. He had a chance to seal the game with a pick in the endzone which he obviously dropped, you don't get many chances harper, you've got to make the most of it.

otherwise, great game for him,

I nearly had a heart attack when Shanle got that pick

The Dude 11-13-2011 06:21 PM

I don't know who to blame either, but something needs to change with our D. I am sick and tired of missed tackles. They did come up when they had to though I will give them that. They shouldn't have blown a 10 pt lead in 4 minutes in the first place.

papz 11-13-2011 06:31 PM

Why is so hard to just enjoy the moment?

We won!

http://www.dreamstime.com/deflated-b...mb13091571.jpg

Beastmode 11-13-2011 06:33 PM

Stuffing Turner on 4th down...about time. It's becoming way to common for teams to test the Saints on 4th down. The only reason he did it was because the stats were saying he could. Not this time.

strato 11-13-2011 06:38 PM

We did ok on the D-Line not perfect..but he we made some good stops...our Secondary was suspect as well...

I don't like that prevent crap we played ...it allowed those chumps back in the game..

halloween 65 11-13-2011 06:48 PM

Our prevent D always gives up to many yards, way to many.

iceshack149 11-13-2011 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 348285)
Props to Danno! Harper (your boy) did himself proud today.

Alaska

Harper plays well almost every Sunday. I could make the argument that Roman Harper has been the best player on the Saints defense this season. Who's played better?

Euphoria 11-13-2011 10:59 PM

the problem with our D is 3 fold.

1. We need DE's that get to the QB.
2. OLB who can cover and get after the QB.
3. DL who cans stop the run.

Fault GW for the debacle of the D, its his scheme and failing to coach up the players on fundamentals. As a coach you have to be a good teacher and a game planner. All he does is dial up blitzes. Hell my 90 year old grandmother can do that. Develop those damn rookies... coach them up. I don't see much of that going on. We play to be lucky on D.

strato 11-13-2011 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 348534)
Harper plays well almost every Sunday. I could make the argument that Roman Harper has been the best player on the Saints defense this season. Who's played better?


Close ..Greer is probably the guy that saves our ass the most..

iceshack149 11-13-2011 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 348539)
Close ..Greer is probably the guy that saves our ass the most..

Greer has played well this season but Harper brings more to the defense.

darstep 11-13-2011 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 348548)
Greer has played well this season but Harper brings more to the defense.

EXACTLY! Harper shows up EVERY week! 10-and-3 today is off the charts.
Harper saves our butts every week. Who do you think is making tackles when the front 7 misses?
Ellis finally had a descent day today, and everybody else disappeared.
Look back at the stats; NO two defensive lineman have had a good day on the same day.
Smith or Jordan, but never both. Rogers/Franklin/Johnson/Turk/Charleston have all been missing in action.
Johnson/Turk/Charleston have the low snap count excuse, the rest have no excuse.
Besides Harper, Dunbar, Vilma when he's healthy, there is no consistency.
We don't know what we will see from week to week.
We just keep hoping "enough" people show up to play ball each week, and play well enough to get us another win.

Halo 11-13-2011 11:48 PM

But guys, I didn't see them run all over us today. Running is their "thing" and we executed enough to win.

When the game was on the line, the D-line WON the game.

strato 11-13-2011 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 348571)
EXACTLY! Harper shows up EVERY week! 10-and-3 today is off the charts.
Harper saves our butts every week. Who do you think is making tackles when the front 7 misses?
Ellis finally had a descent day today, and everybody else disappeared.
Look back at the stats; NO two defensive lineman have had a good day on the same day.
Smith or Jordan, but never both. Rogers/Franklin/Johnson/Turk/Charleston have all been missing in action.
Besides Harper, Dunbar, Vilma when he's healthy, there is no consistency.
We don't know what we will see from week to week.
We just keep hoping "enough" people show up to play ball each week. Enough to get us another win.

Harper is good at the line no doubt 6.5 sacks leads all DBs..makes those Bama homers proud lol...also look at passes defensed Jabari and Cory Webster are tied wth 15...tops in the NFL

NFL Stats: by Player Position

jnormand 11-13-2011 11:53 PM

I don't think the D played bad except for the final drive in the fourth quarter. And Ofcourse we frickin blitzed every time and left the middle of the field open. Our defense held the Clowns to three field goals in the red zone! I'm not gonna ***** about that!

Halo 11-13-2011 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 348577)
I don't think the D played bad except for the final drive in the fourth quarter. And Ofcourse we frickin blitzed every time and left the middle of the field open. Our defense held the Clowns to three field goals in the red zone! I'm not gonna ***** about that!

I mean, I feel the same. Look, they bent most of the day but were very good in the red zone until the last part of the 4th. When the chips were down, we executed.

BUT THE PREVENT DEFENSE MUST GO! THIS THREAD SHOULD BE ABOUT THE BANNING OF THE PREVENT DEFENSE IN GENERAL FROM GREGG WILLIAMS PLAYBOOK!

strato 11-14-2011 12:00 AM

Ive said that all evening....we gave them all that yardage in the prevent..

|Mitch| 11-14-2011 12:05 AM

If the front 4 or 3 [scheme depending] could get pressure, Gregg wouldn't have to blitz as much to try and get to the quarterback.

That would eliminate both problems, keeping the LBs in coverage and hurry the QB forcing bad decisions when we are in the prevent...

But at the same time if the D-Line would be getting pressure, he would still blitz because our sack numbers would be way up...

Halo 11-14-2011 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 348584)
Ive said that all evening....we gave them all that yardage in the prevent..

ALL OF IT! They got 55 yards on 2 plays. It was like nobody was covering their wide out on 2 exactly plays in a row in the middle.

I HATE THE PREVENT! Prevent D will prevent you from actually winning the game!!

Crusader 11-14-2011 12:56 AM

The push the D-line had when they stuffed Turner on that last play is what I would like to see more from them. They were 2-3 yards deep in the Atlanta backfield forcing Turner to try to make a cut at 4 yards deep. What has ben killing us in the Run-D is the cutback when the whole D overpursuits.

iceshack149 11-14-2011 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 348574)
Harper is good at the line no doubt 6.5 sacks leads all DBs..makes those Bama homers proud lol...also look at passes defensed Jabari and Cory Webster are tied wth 15...tops in the NFL

NFL Stats: by Player Position

Using that same list (that Harper is #1 on) it shows that Greer, who has played well, is only better in two categories: interceptions and passes defensed. Greer has one int. so far this season but Harper has two forced fumbles.

Tit for tat, I love them both. Two good players on a garden variety defense.

strato 11-14-2011 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 348618)
Using that same list (that Harper is #1 on) it shows that Greer, who has played well, is only better in two categories: interceptions and passes defensed. Greer has one int. so far this season but Harper has two forced fumbles.

Tit for tat, I love them both. Two good players on a garden variety defense.


No i was saying that Greer is important to..he locks down and does his job..Harper does his to...i think you missed my point..two different jobs..happy for both...and glad they are doing it for us...both could be headed to the probowl..:)

Budsdrinker 11-14-2011 03:32 PM

My observations of the defense and it really doesn't mean much because we as fans don't know what the defensive schemes are supposed to be but anyway here goes. Our DB's play with too much cushion. The birds had a 3rd and 7 on one play and Porter was 8 yds off the line, quick slant and the birds make a first down. And how do you leave the same receiver uncovered 3 plays in a row. Our DE's don't contain the edges, they crash in and most teams see this on tape and bounce their runs to the outside around the DE's with great success. DL's and LB's stay engaged with their blockers too long, now this is where I'm not sure of the scheme if they are supposed to stay engaged for someone else to make the tackle but after watching Patrick Willis with the 49ers yesterday he rarely engages with the OL, he comes to the line then goes straight to the ball without getting tangled up with blockers. Watch Vilma and he will come into the line and engage with whatever blocker comes his way. We either are not all on the same page when it comes to the defensive scheme or we just lack technique. I never played higher than high school ball but we were taught to always shed our blockers and get to the ball and I just don't see our guys doing that and I'm not sure if that's the scheme or just lack of talent.

CantonLegend 11-14-2011 03:39 PM

when teams find more success running around our Dline than they do through it, then its not really the Dlines fault

statistics dont show anything about the defensive line and they cant. defensive linemen dont make tackles, they open up plays for other guys to make. DEs get sacks and pressures but thats about the only thing that shows up on the stat sheet

dont ever blame the defensive line for not putting up whatever stat you want. stats are irrelevant when it comes to both lines

strato 11-14-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 348962)
My observations of the defense and it really doesn't mean much because we as fans don't know what the defensive schemes are supposed to be but anyway here goes. Our DB's play with too much cushion. The birds had a 3rd and 7 on one play and Porter was 8 yds off the line, quick slant and the birds make a first down. And how do you leave the same receiver uncovered 3 plays in a row. Our DE's don't contain the edges, they crash in and most teams see this on tape and bounce their runs to the outside around the DE's with great success. DL's and LB's stay engaged with their blockers too long, now this is where I'm not sure of the scheme if they are supposed to stay engaged for someone else to make the tackle but after watching Patrick Willis with the 49ers yesterday he rarely engages with the OL, he comes to the line then goes straight to the ball without getting tangled up with blockers. Watch Vilma and he will come into the line and engage with whatever blocker comes his way. We either are not all on the same page when it comes to the defensive scheme or we just lack technique. I never played higher than high school ball but we were taught to always shed our blockers and get to the ball and I just don't see our guys doing that and I'm not sure if that's the scheme or just lack of talent.

I agree..and i think some might be over pursuit...that's coaching and technique .. We seem to lack some discipline ..G.W is a gambler..its all the chips..or bankrupt...lol

strato 11-14-2011 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 348965)
when teams find more success running around our Dline than they do through it, then its not really the Dlines fault

statistics dont show anything about the defensive line and they cant. defensive linemen dont make tackles, they open up plays for other guys to make. DEs get sacks and pressures but thats about the only thing that shows up on the stat sheet

dont ever blame the defensive line for not putting up whatever stat you want. stats are irrelevant when it comes to both lines


Whoa nelly...not true..the game is won in the trenches...a dominant D-Line would make our back 7 look like probowlers..they play in spurts..with the beef we have we should be collapsing the pocket on a regular basis...

CantonLegend 11-14-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 348970)
Whoa nelly...not true..the game is won in the trenches...a dominant D-Line would make our back 7 look like probowlers..they play in spurts..with the beef we have we should be collapsing the pocket on a regular basis...

If games are won in the trenches and we keep winning games then what is the problem with our trenches?

Defensive linemen don't record a lot of stats and anybody that bases their arguments solely on linemen tackles and sacks doesn't really understand what their responsibilities are.

Our linebackers aren't very good and even our defensive line that is built to be tops in the league can't make bad linebackers into hall of famers

strato 11-14-2011 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 349139)
If games are won in the trenches and we keep winning games then what is the problem with our trenches?

Defensive linemen don't record a lot of stats and anybody that bases their arguments solely on linemen tackles and sacks doesn't really understand what their responsibilities are.

Our linebackers aren't very good and even our defensive line that is built to be tops in the league can't make bad linebackers into hall of famers


Drew Brees

lumm0x 11-14-2011 10:34 PM

I have been happy with the play of Will Smith, Cameron Jordan and Tom Johnson this year. Ellis has been inconsistent and I haven't seen anything sniffing satisfactory from Rogers or Franklin yet at all. The interior of our d-line is what has been puzzling me. I thought going into the season that this 3 man rotation was one of the best in the league on paper.


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