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AlaskaSaints 11-13-2011 05:39 PM

Okay, I'll say it...
 
8 carries, 11 yards.

Heisman Trophy winner.

I am totally bummed about that.

Alaska

homerj07 11-13-2011 05:42 PM

The O line was not much to talk about when it came to the run!!

GeauxForMore 11-13-2011 05:46 PM

There weren't any open holes to run through. None of our RB had great games.

WhoDat!656 11-13-2011 05:46 PM

Pierre Thomas was 6 for 29 yds. Feel better?

foreverfan 11-13-2011 05:47 PM

Saints 7-3.

CharityMike 11-13-2011 05:49 PM

What is funny is how we hear all weak about our running game and how we need to establish the run. How many passes did wee throw before we ran once?

Lets face it folks, running the ball is not on this coaching staffs mind first. We use the screen game like a run game, which btw didn't work for crap today. They were ready for it every time.

halloween 65 11-13-2011 06:02 PM

I would have run Thomas a lot more, he ran o.k. for the amount of carries he got.

Halo 11-13-2011 06:10 PM

I don't think ouir gameplan was to run today. Falcon's secondary is totally suspect. Their D-line is good.

The Dude 11-13-2011 06:10 PM

We don't run the ball because we cannot run the ball. We have had success on occasion, but I just don't think our line has the ability to run block with any consistency. When they have had success, all of our backs prospered, but mostly they don't have success. Ingram has run well in games when our other backs have run well. Its not like all of our backs are having great success except Ingram, non of them are able to run with any consistency behind that line. Plus Ingram being a rookie and having zero offseason may have something to do with his lack of success. Remember when coach used to repeatedly call run plays and try to force Reggie to run when he clearly couldn't, at least he is not doing that. I think he knows his line has its limitations and plays to their strength which is pass protection.

saintfan 11-13-2011 06:30 PM

You cannot run the ball when the defense is playing in the backfield. Period.

strato 11-13-2011 06:43 PM

P.T ran good... then we got cute with the edge passes to Sproles with 2 and three Falqueens in front of him......we were ripping them right up the middle...still would like to see Ingram more sure of his own ability ...quit looking at the ground watch the line...he runs into his own lineman sometimes...

He is young and will get better...glad we have Ivory though...were going to need him...

saintsfan1976 11-13-2011 06:46 PM

I'm happy we're not one of those teams that runs the same game plan every week.

|Mitch| 11-13-2011 07:38 PM

Who cares if we ran or not? We won!

spkb25 11-13-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 348302)
I don't think ouir gameplan was to run today. Falcon's secondary is totally suspect. Their D-line is good.

Have to agree with this. I thought we needed to establish the run to win today, I was completely wrong, and I am quite comfortable with that!
I thought it seemed that they were keying on M.I. when he ran, like they knew it was a run if he was in.

QBREES9 11-13-2011 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 348278)
8 carries, 11 yards.

Heisman Trophy winner.

I am totally bummed about that.

Alaska


Give this kid time. He'll be great

Danno 11-13-2011 09:29 PM

He was hit during the handoff 3 times. Edwards nailed him once 5 yards in the backfield.

He had some good runs in OT when the Falcons knew we were running.

I'd be more concerned that too often he gets hit during the handoff. Somethings not right there. Are we telegraphing when Ingrams in?

Srgt. Hulka 11-13-2011 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 348280)
The O line was not much to talk about when it came to the run!!

But Brees had plenty of time to throw, and he got sacked zero times!

aquaboogie 11-13-2011 09:41 PM

I think the lack of commitment to the run may be due to our defense.

strato 11-13-2011 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aquaboogie (Post 348496)
I think the lack of commitment to the run may be due to our defense.


Why?..that keeps them off the field...

GAwhodat 11-14-2011 03:32 AM

Heck Sproles got 2 carries for 1 yd. ouch!!

mikesaintfan 11-14-2011 04:12 AM

when reggie was here, he got loads of attention so he was useless...others benefited from that...sproles is now getting that attention so why not have him flair out to 1 side and pt out to the other...pick your poison

Memnoch_TP 11-14-2011 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 348483)
He was hit during the handoff 3 times. Edwards nailed him once 5 yards in the backfield.

He had some good runs in OT when the Falcons knew we were running.

I'd be more concerned that too often he gets hit during the handoff. Somethings not right there. Are we telegraphing when Ingrams in?

Yes, yes we are. If Ingram is in it is almost guaranteed a run. They expect the screen from 23, or a run. They expect short passes and outside runs from Sproles.

I think we need less Ingram and more combos of 23 and Sproles in at the same time. Confuse them, we could do anything from there. For that matter, confuse them even more. Sproles is fast as hell, lets have 23 and Sproles in at the same time, and occasionally have Sproles run a deep route.

CantonLegend 11-14-2011 02:29 PM

you should be upset with the 8 carries......not the production

running backs cant get anything going with 2 carries per quarter of football NOT INCLUDING OVERTIME

how can you even pretend to be down on a guy that touches the ball 10 times a game and still continues to pound out tough yards when we need it the most?

AlaskaSaints 11-14-2011 02:38 PM

Because ball carries are one at a time. Each time an opportunity to gain more than ONE-POINT-SOMETHING yards each time!

Double his carries and double his yards and yesterday he was still next-to-useless.

That's how...

Come on, Canton. I want to believe he will take off any week now, but it's been 10 weeks and he has yet to break free with only a couple exceptions. Right now I'm more confident with Jed Collins and it should not be that way.

No offense, bro. Just calling it like it is.

Alaska

papz 11-14-2011 02:40 PM

Unless the score is 100-0... there's always something to criticize.

AlaskaSaints 11-14-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GAwhodat (Post 348623)
Heck Sproles got 2 carries for 1 yd. ouch!!

Agreed. However, Sproles has proven himself capable of getting downfield. Ingram has yet to do that.

I'm just begging Ingram, challenging Ingram; show me. I want to have him become a GREAT running back WHILE he plays for us.

Alaska

CantonLegend 11-14-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 348926)
Because ball carries are one at a time. Each time an opportunity to gain more than ONE-POINT-SOMETHING yards each time!

Double his carries and double his yards and yesterday he was still next-to-useless.

That's how...

Come on, Canton. I want to believe he will take off any week now, but it's been 10 weeks and he has yet to break free with only a couple exceptions. Right now I'm more confident with Jed Collins and it should not be that way.

No offense, bro. Just calling it like it is.

Alaska

your problem here is that you are trying to say more carries only means the same weak production but thats not the case and any team will tell you that

you know why sproles finds success? because he runs against nickel and dime packages. you know where ingram finds success? on short yardage runs against a stacked box and a beefed up front 7

i understand your disappointed about not having a pick in the first round of next years draft but blaming ingram for anything is completely unjustified

how many running backs have over 50 yards rushing on less than 10 carries this season? not many....especially short yardage guys

strato 11-14-2011 02:49 PM

This stat says it all

NFL Stats: by Player Category

I am a bit disappointed... but hopeful...lol

I hope we didn't spend our number one on a short yardage back...I thought he ran wild in the SEC?...

neugey 11-14-2011 02:54 PM

I'm just glad he didn't fumble on that play where got stuffed right where Brees handed him the ball.

strato 11-14-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 348928)
Unless the score is 100-0... there's always something to criticize.


The run game really gets my blood boiling...lol

I mean when Cam Newton has more yards than our stud RB ..something is wrong...lol


Another thing Demarco Murray 3rd rd pick rookie 674 on 100 attempts

Ingram 1st rd rookie 340 on 93 attempts

I dont like that..

papz 11-14-2011 03:10 PM

That means we didn't give whichever guy were calling our stud that week... enough carries. When a team rotates players in and out as much as we do, it's not that surprising.

As far as Murray is concerned, I could pull up various of reports on how the media criticized him and saying he doesn't have much to offer... prior to his breakout performances. The Cowboys made an effort to consistently give him the carries to get him in rhythm... the same cannot be said for Ingram. You can't just put the guy in for a carry or two, take him out for the next couple of series and then expect him to run wild over everyone.

With that said, I do feel Ivory is the better option right now. We healthy and active, we make a conscious effort to feed Ivory the ball play after play. Ingram just doesn't have the instincts, vision, and opportunity to be an every down effective back which people are clamoring for him to be right now.

Danno 11-14-2011 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 348941)
The run game really gets my blood boiling...lol

I mean when Cam Newton has more yards than our stud RB ..something is wrong...lol


Another thing Demarco Murray 3rd rd pick rookie 674 on 100 attempts

Ingram 1st rd rookie 340 on 93 attempts

I dont like that..

Haters gonna hate.;) LOL!!!

strato 11-14-2011 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 348948)
That means we didn't give whichever guy were calling our stud that week... enough carries. When a team rotates players in and out as much as we do, it's not that surprising.

As far as Murray is concerned, I could pull up various of reports on how the media criticized him and saying he doesn't have much to offer... prior to his breakout performances. The Cowboys made an effort to consistently give him the carries to get him in rhythm... the same cannot be said for Ingram. You can't just put the guy in for a carry or two, take him out for the next couple of series and then expect him to run wild over everyone.

With that said, I do feel Ivory is the better option right now. We healthy and active, we make a conscious effort to feed Ivory the ball play after play. Ingram just doesn't have the instincts, vision, and opportunity to be an every down effective back which people are clamoring for him to be right now
.

Glad you see that...i think Ingram will be ok...we drafted him to be a feature back ..so he better crank it up...or he will be labeled a Heisman bust..Im hoping that he is like Graham..shows flashes this year then tears it up next year....believe me im pulling for him...:bng:

strato 11-14-2011 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 348950)
Haters gonna hate.;) LOL!!!

..Not me me im pulling for him ..but im not a Bama homer lol.. we are talking a lot invested here...;)

neugey 11-14-2011 03:23 PM

Ingram moves the ball forward and he's only lost one fumble that I remember. I haven't seen him stutter-stepping in the backfield like Rashard Mendenhall or some other RB wearing #25 that used to play here. And he's had many runs where he has broke tackles and fell forward for 5-6 yards where he should've only picked up 1 or 2 yards. His pass protection and catching the ball has been adequate when called upon, at least for a rookie. I think eventually he will break off some 40+ yard power run for a TD, the law of averages has been working against him so far.

My final point is - if you were a coach, what would you tell him that he's consistently doing wrong? I can't come up with anything.

strato 11-14-2011 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 348955)
Ingram moves the ball forward and he's only lost one fumble that I remember. I haven't seen him stutter-stepping in the backfield like Rashard Mendenhall or some other RB wearing #25 that used to play here. And he's had many runs where he has broke tackles and fell forward for 5-6 yards where he should've only picked up 1 or 2 yards. His pass protection and catching the ball has been adequate when called upon, at least for a rookie. I think eventually he will break off some 40+ yard power run for a TD, the law of averages has been working against him so far.

My final point is - if you were a coach, what would you tell him that he's consistently doing wrong? I can't come up with anything.

He has power...lacks vision.. that would be the thing i would work on with him..the holes close a lot quicker than they did against Ole Miss...

neugey 11-14-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka (Post 348492)
But Brees had plenty of time to throw, and he got sacked zero times!

Brees' footwork in the pocket was outstanding. 90+% of the starting QB's in the league would've been sacked at least once.


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