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BrooksMustGo 02-17-2004 08:04 PM

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ots/index.html
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Another bit of pre-draft conventional wisdom that has surfaced quickly is that the Chargers are again looking to deal out of the No. 1 spot for the same reason they shipped the rights to the Michael Vick pick to Atlanta three years ago: The Ghost of Ryan Leaf.

Six years have gone by since the Leaf debacle (he was the No. 2 pick in 1998), and the theory holds that San Diego still can't bring itself to pull the trigger on another franchise quarterback, who would be Manning in this case. Add in the fact that it's still widely believed that the Alex Spanos family doesn't want to shell out the bucks that it would take to land a quarterback at No. 1.

The top of the draft is high-stakes poker, and nobody's going to show all their cards more than two months out. But for what it's worth, Chargers general manager A.J. Smith shoots down the anybody-but-a-quarterback-at-No. 1 scenario.

"I've heard that for a long, long time,'' Smith said this week. "I wasn't even here during the Leaf era. Our ownership was. But I can tell you this, we are open-minded to anything, whether it's using the first selection on a quarterback or getting one in free agency. If it's a first-spot quarterback, so be it. The past will not have an impact on the pick.''

That said, Smith went on to make it rather clear that the Chargers would love to stay involved in the pursuit of Mark Brunell, should the Jacksonville veteran quarterback wind up being released by the Jaguars before March 1.

Smith said the Jaguars asked all teams that were interested in Brunell to make an opening trade offer in order to stay involved in the process. "That's the way they wanted to approach it,'' Smith said. "Miami made an offer but was told it was not acceptable. We chose not to. We decided to wait and see if we have a chance in free agency to get him. Unless we had permission to first explore everything involved, we weren't going to make an offer.''

Smith said he believes Washington's offer for Brunell is currently a third-round pick, but that the Redskins are willing to improve it to a second-rounder. Miami doesn't have a second-round pick, so its offer is thought to have been a No. 3. Smith is skeptical that the Jaguars will be willing to pay Brunell the $2 million bonus they owe him March 1, in order to retain the ability to trade him once the trading period opens March 3.

"That's the avenue we're looking at, exploring our options at quarterback in free agency,'' Smith said. "We still think we have a chance to get [Brunell] if he's released. But right now we don't know what's going on with Washington and Jacksonville because we're not involved.''
I think Joe Gibbs gets Brunnell if that's who he wants.

Brunnell to Washington is going to leave San Diego in the lurch. At that point, Kurt Warner is going to be in play. With Kelly Holcomb recovering from shoulder surgery, I don't see Tim Couch going anywhere. I can't see the Chargers taking a shot on Kordell Stewart either. Drew Henson is appealling, but I don't think the Chargers have any more time to let him develop than they would for Eli.

Brunnell to Washington instantly puts Schottenheimer on the hot seat and puts San Diego under the gun to resolve their QB issue. I think the only reasonable move for us is to float the Brooks to the Chargers possibility during the combine this week. However, we need to play our cards close so as not to give the impression that we want to dump Brooks, but that we'd be interested in a trade that nets Eli for us. We need to let the word out and offer the Chargers a sort of lifeline. With Landanian, Brooks will be an average sort of QB and probably gets the Chargers back to .500 and save Marty's job. The fans in San Diego will make the same rationalizations that Saints fans have been making for Brooks for 3-4 years and by that time, Eli has us in the Superbowl.

saintz08 02-18-2004 01:24 AM

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Scenario looks good to me .... ;)

Got this hair tingling on the back of my neck sensation , Drew Henson is a Miami Dolphin next year ...... :o

Seems to fit ......

BrooksMustGo 02-18-2004 08:28 AM

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=1737398
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Chargers\' draft dilemma
Even though Mark Brunell is likely to go to Washington for a third-round choice next month, the Chargers are hoping Brunell becomes a free agent and they won\'t have to draft a quarterback with the No. 1 pick. It\'s the Chargers\' history to shy away from quarterbacks at the top of the draft. In 1983, the Chargers could have gotten John Elway in a trade with the Baltimore Colts, for the Chargers\' three first-round picks. In 2001, they traded the chance to draft Vick to Atlanta. Their one attempt to take a quarterback by trading up to the second pick failed when Ryan Leaf turned into a bust after three seasons.
08\'s magic 8 ball must be reading, \"All signs point to yes\".
We have simply got to move on a trade with the Chargers. It\'s time for the Saints to be bold, to take some chances, to stop playing it safe and managing for mediocrity.

saintz08 02-18-2004 09:36 AM

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Redskins | Steps Away From Acquiring Jaguars\' Brunell - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:04:31 -0800

Updating ongoing reports, Pete Prisco, of SportsLine.com, reports Jacksonville Jaguars QB Mark Brunell is only a few minor details away from agreeing to a contract extension with the Washington Redskins that would clear the way for a trade to be completed between the two teams. \"We\'ve had some good discussions in the past few days and it\'s looking like it could get done,\" Brunell said. \"When and if it gets done, I look forward to playing for the Redskins and owner Dan Snyder and coach Joe Gibbs.\" The contract is believed to be a seven-year deal – not the three-year agreement that had been speculated earlier. In exchange for Brunell, the Jaguars would reportedly receive a third-round pick in this year\'s draft. The trade cannot be made official until March 3.


The Brunell deal is now a formality , Chargers are on the clock .

Spanos needs something other then a rookie to even look good to the Los Angeles market .

SFinAustin 02-18-2004 09:36 AM

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Sorry to break up the little circle-jerk but not only is this scenario highly unlikely (Brooks trade), it\'s built purely out of fantasy and makes no sense. To each his own though...

saintz08 02-18-2004 11:11 AM

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That little itch was telling me something after all :

Brunell, Henson might have deals

By Alex Marvez
Staff Writer
Posted February 18 2004

The Dolphins appear to have lost out on the bidding for one quarterback and may be headed toward that same fate with another.

CBSSportsline.com reported Tuesday night that Washington is \"a few minor [trade] details away\" from acquiring Jacksonville quarterback Mark Brunell for a 2004 third-round draft choice. Brunell, who had received significant interest from the Dolphins, is expected to then sign a seven-year contract extension.

\"We\'ve had some good discussions in the past few days and it\'s looking like it could get done,\" Brunell told CBSSportsline. \"When and if it gets done, I look forward to playing for the Redskins.\"

The Houston Chronicle reported in today\'s editions that the Houston Texans have received what the franchise deemed acceptable trade parameters from an unidentified team for quarterback Drew Henson. An NFL source said the Dolphins had not made that offer.

While the parameters don\'t mean a trade is imminent or that Houston won\'t be speaking with other teams, the franchise that made the offer will now be allowed to entertain Henson on a visit. The Texans were unwilling to grant that permission to teams that weren\'t willing to offer adequate compensation for Henson, a former blue-chip quarterback at the University of Michigan who has spent the past two seasons playing in the New York Yankees\' farm system.

The Dolphins could get back in the mix by making a trade offer to the Texans for Henson, who is expected to have a significant say in where he is dealt. The Dolphins are also expected to now strongly pursue a trade with the Redskins for quarterback Patrick Ramsey, who may try to force his way off Washington\'s roster with Brunell becoming the new starter.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/f...dolphins-front

BrooksMustGo 02-18-2004 04:33 PM

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Sorry to break up the little circle-jerk but not only is this scenario highly unlikely (Brooks trade), it\'s built purely out of fantasy and makes no sense. To each his own though...
In other news...
There was a pouring rain on Endymion tonight, totally ruining one of the best presentations of the carnival season.

saintfan 02-18-2004 05:05 PM

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Yeah, this theory is \"Viable\"

Webster\'s New World Dictionary:
Viable -- adj -- sufficiently developed to be able to live outside the uterus.

That defintion is oddly accurate eh? LOL

Now whether or not it\'s \"likely\" is a whole other issue, which makes \"viable\" a much better choice of words for this thread...a nice choice indeed! ;)

Danno 02-18-2004 08:05 PM

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The 08 theory is moronic. It would be more believable that little black helicopters beamed mind control waves upon Haz and company rendering them totally in control of anti-saint little green aliens from Uranus.

BrooksMustGo 02-18-2004 08:43 PM

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little black helicopters beamed mind control waves upon Haz and company rendering them totally in control
Maybe if someone were in control of Haslett\'s alleged \"mind\" maybe he\'d knock off calling those goofy 2 pointers all the time and learn how to call a ball game.


WhoDat 02-18-2004 10:09 PM

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How much do you two think Eli would cost the Saints?

I will say this - Saintfan said in another thread that if the Saints signed Eli that would be it for their FA period, and he seemed skeptical that Bouman could run the show while Eli developed.

While I will agree that Eli is an unproven commodity, I do think Bouman could run the ship pretty well. Also, if what 08 and BMG are hoping for does come to pass, the Saints may actually save money (both in salary and towards the cap). I mean, what\'s Brooks costing us right now? $6 mill a year? I doubt that Eli would be much more costly than that - or am I off? So, Wilson, Springs or Bryant, a DT somewhere and Eli Manning wouldn\'t hurt my feelings. I still think it\'s really unlikely, but I will say that this idea wouldn\'t necessarily hurt the Saint financially. Plus, a Saints backup proved he had what it takes to be a starter in this league this year. Our former backup before him is our current starter, and our current backup Haslett wanted as our starter in the first place. Point is - I don\'t think it is fair to say Bouman can\'t lead this team. We don\'t know that. I find it hard to believe he is as inconsistent as Brooks. No one is. ;)

BrooksMustGo 02-18-2004 10:59 PM

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/story?id=1544068

Well Palmer\'s deal last year was worth $18.25 million for the first 3 years.
Carr\'s the year before was worth $16.25 for the first 3 years.

If we managed to trade with the Chargers I would like to think we could land somewhere in between these two figures. But even if we duplicated the Palmer deal, we\'d end up paying Eli what we\'re already paying Brooks. At $20.6 under the cap and the possibility of clearing $3-4 million more with the release of Carter, I hardly think that Eli would end our free agency. Besides the entire league has to operate under the rookie signing limits. I can\'t imagine Eli holding out and I can\'t imagine burning the entire rookie fund up on one guy.

Getting rid of the Brooks salary would not hurt the cause either. I can\'t see us going and getting Champ Bailey if we got Eli, but I don\'t see us giving up two #1\'s for Champ either.

I think we could realistically have this sort of free agency if we traded up for Eli.
Jeremiah Trotter -- maybe Al Wilson, but I\'m guessing he gets tagged.
Ted Washington -- Robaire Smith would be great, but his stock seems to be going up
Ahmed Plummer/Shawn Springs/Fernando Bryant -- all seem to be similiar in cost

Cadillac 02-18-2004 11:55 PM

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Eli Manning is half hype anyways. Rothlisberger will turn out to be the better QB.

saintz08 02-19-2004 12:08 AM

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Haz and company rendering them totally in control of anti-saint little green aliens from Uranus.
Seeing this statement , makes me think of Brooks in a Green Bay packers uniform .....

saintz08 02-19-2004 12:42 AM

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Eli Manning is half hype anyways.
When compared to Peyton, Eli has a stronger arm, better mechanics and is more accurate. The only question is whether he has the intangibles? Coaches and scouts claim that Eli has the same work ethic that has made Peyton the best quarterback in the NFL.

Final Say: The only question about Eli’s success is who drafts him and how soon does he suit up. He compares best with his big brother Peyton Manning. After that sit back and relax, because that team will quickly have one of the top quarterbacks in the league, barring injury or a complete mental breakdown.

SFinAustin 02-19-2004 08:19 AM

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/story?id=1544068

Well Palmer\'s deal last year was worth $18.25 million for the first 3 years.
Carr\'s the year before was worth $16.25 for the first 3 years.

If we managed to trade with the Chargers I would like to think we could land somewhere in between these two figures. But even if we duplicated the Palmer deal, we\'d end up paying Eli what we\'re already paying Brooks. At $20.6 under the cap and the possibility of clearing $3-4 million more with the release of Carter, I hardly think that Eli would end our free agency. Besides the entire league has to operate under the rookie signing limits. I can\'t imagine Eli holding out and I can\'t imagine burning the entire rookie fund up on one guy.

Getting rid of the Brooks salary would not hurt the cause either. I can\'t see us going and getting Champ Bailey if we got Eli, but I don\'t see us giving up two #1\'s for Champ either.

I think we could realistically have this sort of free agency if we traded up for Eli.
Jeremiah Trotter -- maybe Al Wilson, but I\'m guessing he gets tagged.
Ted Washington -- Robaire Smith would be great, but his stock seems to be going up
Ahmed Plummer/Shawn Springs/Fernando Bryant -- all seem to be similiar in cost

You guys are genius\'s! If Brooks is soooo horrible, why the hell would the Chargers give up the first pick in the draft for him? Do you guys just have everything figured out and all of these pro personnel execs are just stupid?

I understand that you can hide ignorance behind these here usernames but come on! Real world please!!!

whowatches 02-19-2004 08:45 AM

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Sorry to break up the little circle-jerk
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I understand that you can hide ignorance behind these here usernames but come on! Real world please!!!
You can also hide impoliteness, indolence and discourtesy.

I, for one, enjoy reading about 08 and BMG\'s \"cockamamie schemes\" and theories. For those of you that don\'t (and it\'s usually the ones of you who are SO sensitive about Brooks), click on another thread. Ignore this one. 08 has plainly labeled his threads as \'propaganda\' and \'theories\'. Do I think any of them will happen? No. Do I really want all of them to happen? No. But, in FEBRUARY, when nothing else is happening, these threads are entertaining if nothing else.

.02

BrooksMustGo 02-19-2004 08:49 AM

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If Brooks is soooo horrible, why the hell would the Chargers give up the first pick in the draft for him?
No question that drafting Eli would be the smart move for the Chargers.
However, the Chargers are a unique animal.
1. Marty needs to win more games NOW to keep his job. Brooks would help get him around .500 and keep him in San Diego for another few years.
2. The Chargers want a new stadium deal or to move to LA. LaDanian might be able to get the Chargers into the playoffs with a Brooks-type QB. If the Chargers could make a playoff appearance, the pitch for a new stadium might seem reasonable.
3. Brooks is a known commodity. Yeah, he\'s an 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 kind of guy, but 8-8 is a better option than either of the guys they have there now.
4. Ryan Leaf--Once bitten twice shy.
5. I have NEVER suggested that Brooks alone would get us the top pick. You\'re right, Brooks isn\'t worth that. But if we gave Brooks AND our two second rounders and a conditional pick next year, then maybe they\'d go for it.
6. I\'m not saying they would for sure pull the trigger on that deal. But I am saying, we\'d be stupid not to make the offer.
7. Brooks is probably as good as he\'s ever going to be. I\'d like to trade him while some guy thinks Brooks still has room to grow. Brooks is just a couple of seasons from being Kordell Stewart and we get nothing for him.

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Do you guys just have everything figured out and all of these pro personnel execs are just stupid?
I understand that you can hide ignorance behind these here usernames but come on! Real world please!!!
Not claiming to be a football genius, but sometimes the football genius\' don\'t seem that savvy either.
1. Why does Joe Gibbs want to sign Brunnell to a HUGE deal when he has Ramsey?
2. Why did Ditka trade for Schuler?
3. Why hasn\'t Cowher made a decision on the Steelers QB and RB situations?
4. Why does Martz ever draft like he does?
5. Why did the Saints sign Brooks to a HUGE deal before seeing what he could really do?
6. How could Dallas ever convince anyone that the Herschel Walker trade was really a good deal?
7. Why do the Eagles insist on not finding a real receiver for McNabb?
8. Why did Dan Reeves bring Maddux all over the league for a while?
9. How did Mueller think that Carter and Connell were good ideas?
10. Why did Mora insist on keeping Mario Bates?

I can\'t explain the dumb moves that personnel people make. But I know they make them. No one is immune from stupid contracts and overpaying for guys who can\'t get it done. Nowhere is that more evident than at the QB position. Coaches and Execs are constantly suffering for guys that they thought would be good players. But these were all real world moves. Trading a so-so QB to a so-so team to get the first overall pick is not crazy or beyond the realm of possibility.

The only ground you have to stand on is that Haslett has devoted himself to Brooks. Haslett loves Brooks blindly, to his cost. My contention is that the Brooks love will catch up to him and when we have another head coach, I would rather have a franchise QB in Eli than Kordell Stewart that nobody wants because they can\'t kid themselves into thinking that he\'s actually a good QB.

saintfan 02-19-2004 09:16 AM

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I have NEVER suggested that Brooks alone would get us the top pick. You\'re right, Brooks isn\'t worth that. But if we gave Brooks AND our two second rounders and a conditional pick next year, then maybe they\'d go for it.
What you\'re really saying is sacrifice this years draft for a QB -- mostly because his last name is Manning -- when our offense is CLEARLY (sorry whodat) not the problem.

As I have stated numerous times before, I thank GOD every night that some of you aren\'t in charge. :casstet:


[Edited on 19/2/2004 by saintfan]

SFinAustin 02-19-2004 10:05 AM

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Sorry to break up the little circle-jerk
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I understand that you can hide ignorance behind these here usernames but come on! Real world please!!!
You can also hide impoliteness, indolence and discourtesy.

I, for one, enjoy reading about 08 and BMG\'s \"cockamamie schemes\" and theories. For those of you that don\'t (and it\'s usually the ones of you who are SO sensitive about Brooks), click on another thread. Ignore this one. 08 has plainly labeled his threads as \'propaganda\' and \'theories\'. Do I think any of them will happen? No. Do I really want all of them to happen? No. But, in FEBRUARY, when nothing else is happening, these threads are entertaining if nothing else.

.02
Granted. I haven\'t made this post any better and could have used a better choice of words. I apologize.


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Not claiming to be a football genius, but sometimes the football genius\' don\'t seem that savvy either.
1. Why does Joe Gibbs want to sign Brunnell to a HUGE deal when he has Ramsey?
2. Why did Ditka trade for Schuler?
3. Why hasn\'t Cowher made a decision on the Steelers QB and RB situations?
4. Why does Martz ever draft like he does?
5. Why did the Saints sign Brooks to a HUGE deal before seeing what he could really do?
6. How could Dallas ever convince anyone that the Herschel Walker trade was really a good deal?
7. Why do the Eagles insist on not finding a real receiver for McNabb?
8. Why did Dan Reeves bring Maddux all over the league for a while?
9. How did Mueller think that Carter and Connell were good ideas?
10. Why did Mora insist on keeping Mario Bates?

I can\'t explain the dumb moves that personnel people make. But I know they make them. No one is immune from stupid contracts and overpaying for guys who can\'t get it done. Nowhere is that more evident than at the QB position. Coaches and Execs are constantly suffering for guys that they thought would be good players. But these were all real world moves. Trading a so-so QB to a so-so team to get the first overall pick is not crazy or beyond the realm of possibility.

The only ground you have to stand on is that Haslett has devoted himself to Brooks. Haslett loves Brooks blindly, to his cost. My contention is that the Brooks love will catch up to him and when we have another head coach, I would rather have a franchise QB in Eli than Kordell Stewart that nobody wants because they can\'t kid themselves into thinking that he\'s actually a good QB.
I can\'t explain some of the decision made either but I do know that they are educated errors (for the most part).

Furthermore, I don\'t feel Haslett has \"blind\" love for anyone on the team, let alone Brooks. Believe it or not, Brooks has done his share of good in this city.

And, Eli Manning is no less of a crapshoot than any other player in the draft. No more, no less. He isn\'t annointed because he\'s Archie\'s son or Peyton\'s brother.

saintz08 02-19-2004 10:28 AM

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What you\'re really saying is sacrifice this years draft for a QB -- mostly because his last name is Manning -- when our offense is CLEARLY (sorry whodat) not the problem.

They need to do it for the receivers , because catching a ball should not be Capital punishment .


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[Edited on 19/2/2004 by saintz08]

Cadillac 02-19-2004 12:18 PM

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Eli has the same work ethic that has made Peyton the best quarterback in the NFL.
Peyton Manning is not the best QB in the league. He has the most talent, but when his team is down, he tries to be a hero and forces throws. Sometimes this works (the comeback against Tampa) and sometimes he\'ll throw 3 picks and comepletely crush his teams chances for winning (Playoffs against New England this year, playoffs against the Jets last year, heck even this years Probowl).

Peyton Manning plays with way too much ego. He too often tries to carry his team on his back instead of playing smart, humble football.

Which is why Tom Brady is the best QB in the league, no contest. No, he doesn\'t have the skills or numbers of Peyton Manning. He doesn\'t care about numbers. All he cares about is that he does what he has to do to help his team win. Peyton on the other hand, seems too often to try to win FOR his team.

When the Pats are down, Tom Brady isn\'t looking to make a spectacular throw to a double covered Marvin Harrison 50 yards downfield. He\'s looking for a wide open Troy Brown running a 12 yard out that will set Vinatieri up for the game winning field goal. He plays humble. He tries to win the game without caring who gets the credit for the win.

Whenever I see the Colts play, if Peyton throws a pick, the next series he\'ll force a throw into coverage, as if to try to make up for his mistake, or to redeem himself. To win the Superbowl you have to win 3 or 4 games in a row against good football teams, and until Peyton learns that it\'s okay if you threw for 150 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT as long as you won, he will NEVER take the Colts to the promised land

WhoDat 02-20-2004 09:08 AM

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What you\'re really saying is sacrifice this years draft for a QB -- mostly because his last name is Manning -- when our offense is CLEARLY (sorry whodat) not the problem.
Nice use of CLEARLY Saintfan. Good job. I haven\'t received my royalties check though. I assume it\'s in the mail?

saintfan 02-20-2004 09:51 AM

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I\'ve already sent it to Troy Aikman. :P


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