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papz · 11-18-2011, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by pinch

I'm happy for the kid to have beaten the odds thus far, but I have to be honest, I'm getting a little sick of seeing a Tebow prayer every five seconds. We get it dude, you believe in an invisible man in the sky. I almost wish another player would start praising the devil after a TD or something just to illustrate how ridiculous it is.

That's pretty funny... even though you probably didn't mean for it to be.

pinch · 11-18-2011, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by papz

That's pretty funny... even though you probably didn't mean for it to be.

I just think that the NFL is the wrong place to make religious statements. And to be clear, I'm Catholic and go to church myself, but when you reach the point to where you have to make your own personal prayer a spectacle during sporting events it has reached the point of absurdity.

I agree it is pretty funny. I honestly can't think of how one could visibly worship the devil, maybe point to the ground and snarl? If Tebow's career fizzles out are we to assume that Lucifer has defeated him?

To illustrate the absurdity, could you imagine if Usama Young starts visibly worshipping Allah after each pick 6? He crosses the goalline, drops down to his knees in the endzone, starts bowing and chanting Allah Akbar (assumedly pointing toward Mecca, maybe he has a compass?).

Then, all of the Saints players gather around him in the endzone and start bowing, kneeling, yelling 'Allah Akbar!'. Then the camera pans to the sideline again after the PAT and Young is still bowing and chanting 'Allah Akbar' as the announcers fawn over him.

Save it for church dude, its embarrassing.

strato · 11-18-2011, 02:11 PM

NO church and field...

papz · 11-18-2011, 02:13 PM

To illustrate the absurdity, could you imagine if Usama Young starts visibly worshipping Allah after each pick 6? He crosses the goalline, drops down to his knees in the endzone, starts bowing and chanting Allah Akbar (assumedly pointing toward Mecca, maybe he has a compass?).

I'm just imagining these things and it's just cracking me up. You're making my boring afternoon.

I get your point though.

Srgt. Hulka · 11-18-2011, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by pinch

To illustrate the absurdity, could you imagine if Usama Young starts visibly worshipping Allah after each pick 6? He crosses the goalline, drops down to his knees in the endzone...

Oh no, you cant do that! That will get you a flag and a 15 yard penalty assessed on the kickoff! Just ask the player who dropped to his knees and saluted ut troops last week.

Memnoch_TP · 11-18-2011, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by papz

That's pretty funny... even though you probably didn't mean for it to be.

I want to see it taken one step further. If someone came out and said "Yeah, the drug tests never caught me, but I have been taking steroids." what is gonna happen? BAM, suspended.

So if a player asks for and truly believes that they received divine outside assistance from an all powerful deity... I mean, how is that not cheating?
How can the other team overcome you invoking the power of an all mighty god? Steroids have nothing on that. So, every time a player gives a point up to heaven and gives the glory to god, they should get suspended for cheating.

Originally Posted by pinch

I honestly can't think of how one could visibly worship the devil, maybe point to the ground and snarl?

No, point to the ground and give the Devil Sign!

papz · 11-18-2011, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

So if a player asks for and truly believes that they received divine outside assistance from an all powerful deity... I mean, how is that not cheating?
How can the other team overcome you invoking the power of an all mighty god? Steroids have nothing on that. So, every time a player gives a point up to heaven and gives the glory to god, they should get suspended for cheating.

papz · 11-22-2011, 03:01 PM

"I think he's a winner and I respect that about him," Plummer told 910-AM. "I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ, then I think I'll like him a little better. I don't hate him because of that, I just would rather not have to hear that every time he takes a good snap or makes a good handoff."

Tebow, in his response to the comments, which he said he had not heard about before the interview, said he appreciated Plummer calling him a winner and compared his faith with marriage.

"If you're married and you have a wife and you really love your wife, is it good enough to only say to your wife 'I love her' the day you get married? Or should you tell her every single day when you wake up and every opportunity? That's how I feel about my relationship with Jesus Christ."

Denver Broncos' Tim Tebow responds to John Elway, Jake Plummer remarks - ESPN

11-18-2011, 01:48 PM	#11
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Originally Posted by pinch I'm happy for the kid to have beaten the odds thus far, but I have to be honest, I'm getting a little sick of seeing a Tebow prayer every five seconds. We get it dude, you believe in an invisible man in the sky. I almost wish another player would start praising the devil after a TD or something just to illustrate how ridiculous it is. That's pretty funny... even though you probably didn't mean for it to be.

11-18-2011, 02:07 PM	#12
pinch 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Diamondhead, MS Posts: 272 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by papz That's pretty funny... even though you probably didn't mean for it to be. I just think that the NFL is the wrong place to make religious statements. And to be clear, I'm Catholic and go to church myself, but when you reach the point to where you have to make your own personal prayer a spectacle during sporting events it has reached the point of absurdity. I agree it is pretty funny. I honestly can't think of how one could visibly worship the devil, maybe point to the ground and snarl? If Tebow's career fizzles out are we to assume that Lucifer has defeated him? To illustrate the absurdity, could you imagine if Usama Young starts visibly worshipping Allah after each pick 6? He crosses the goalline, drops down to his knees in the endzone, starts bowing and chanting Allah Akbar (assumedly pointing toward Mecca, maybe he has a compass?). Then, all of the Saints players gather around him in the endzone and start bowing, kneeling, yelling 'Allah Akbar!'. Then the camera pans to the sideline again after the PAT and Young is still bowing and chanting 'Allah Akbar' as the announcers fawn over him. Save it for church dude, its embarrassing.

11-18-2011, 02:42 PM	#15
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Originally Posted by pinch To illustrate the absurdity, could you imagine if Usama Young starts visibly worshipping Allah after each pick 6? He crosses the goalline, drops down to his knees in the endzone... Oh no, you cant do that! That will get you a flag and a 15 yard penalty assessed on the kickoff! Just ask the player who dropped to his knees and saluted ut troops last week.

11-18-2011, 03:05 PM	#16
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by papz That's pretty funny... even though you probably didn't mean for it to be. I want to see it taken one step further. If someone came out and said "Yeah, the drug tests never caught me, but I have been taking steroids." what is gonna happen? BAM, suspended. So if a player asks for and truly believes that they received divine outside assistance from an all powerful deity... I mean, how is that not cheating? How can the other team overcome you invoking the power of an all mighty god? Steroids have nothing on that. So, every time a player gives a point up to heaven and gives the glory to god, they should get suspended for cheating. Originally Posted by pinch I honestly can't think of how one could visibly worship the devil, maybe point to the ground and snarl? No, point to the ground and give the Devil Sign! papz and strato like this.
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11-18-2011, 03:07 PM	#17
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP So if a player asks for and truly believes that they received divine outside assistance from an all powerful deity... I mean, how is that not cheating? How can the other team overcome you invoking the power of an all mighty god? Steroids have nothing on that. So, every time a player gives a point up to heaven and gives the glory to god, they should get suspended for cheating.

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11-18-2011, 02:11 PM	#13
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11-18-2011, 02:13 PM	#14
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	To illustrate the absurdity, could you imagine if Usama Young starts visibly worshipping Allah after each pick 6? He crosses the goalline, drops down to his knees in the endzone, starts bowing and chanting Allah Akbar (assumedly pointing toward Mecca, maybe he has a compass?). I'm just imagining these things and it's just cracking me up. You're making my boring afternoon. I get your point though.

11-22-2011, 03:01 PM	#18
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	"I think he's a winner and I respect that about him," Plummer told 910-AM. "I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ, then I think I'll like him a little better. I don't hate him because of that, I just would rather not have to hear that every time he takes a good snap or makes a good handoff." Tebow, in his response to the comments, which he said he had not heard about before the interview, said he appreciated Plummer calling him a winner and compared his faith with marriage. "If you're married and you have a wife and you really love your wife, is it good enough to only say to your wife 'I love her' the day you get married? Or should you tell her every single day when you wake up and every opportunity? That's how I feel about my relationship with Jesus Christ." Denver Broncos' Tim Tebow responds to John Elway, Jake Plummer remarks - ESPN
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