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WhoDat!656 12-16-2011 12:28 PM

Greg Williams and ineffective blitz packages
 
The New Orleans Saints, Gregg Williams, and ineffective blitz packages

Danno 12-16-2011 03:08 PM

The front 4 can't get pressure so he has to manufacture pressure using blitz packages.

I'd hate to see what happenes when he relies solely on the front 4. It could get REAL ugly.

CantonLegend 12-16-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 357271)
The front 4 can't get pressure so he has to manufacture pressure using blitz packages.

That's just not true. GW blitzes because we can..not because we have to

We have a defensive end who is one of the elite pass rushers in the league. We have a DT in Ellis who is only a year removed from a 6 sack season and we have one of the most dominating pass rushing nose tackles in recent history in Shaun Rogers.

We blitz because our secondary is good enough to man up and our defensive line is good enough to hold the blockers so our blitzers can get through

We are actually near the top of the league in QB pressures despite not having the sack numbers that all the angry fans are looking for

Danno 12-16-2011 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 357272)
That's just not true. GW blitzes because we can..not because we have to

We have a defensive end who is one of the elite pass rushers in the league. We have a DT in Ellis who is only a year removed from a 6 sack season and we have one of the most dominating pass rushing nose tackles in recent history in Shaun Rogers.

We blitz because our secondary is good enough to man up and our defensive line is good enough to hold the blockers so our blitzers can get through

We are actually near the top of the league in QB pressures despite not having the sack numbers that all the angry fans are looking for

Wrong, again.

CantonLegend 12-16-2011 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 357273)
Wrong, again.

I know you're mad cuz I rained on your parade but how about explaining why? Will smith is only 2 seasons removed from a 14 sack season...please tell me he can't rush anymore cuz he's old and outta shape. Never heard that one before...in fact ppl said that in 08...the year before he went off

We all know sed can rush the passer and hold blockers. We also all know the role of 3-4 defensive linemen is to take on blockers and if you've been paying attention this season you can tell me what defense we've been playin a whole lot this season...I'll give you a hint...it starts with 3 down linemen

Danno 12-16-2011 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 357277)
I know you're mad cuz I rained on your parade but how about explaining why? Will smith is only 2 seasons removed from a 14 sack season...please tell me he can't rush anymore cuz he's old and outta shape. Never heard that one before...in fact ppl said that in 08...the year before he went off

We all know sed can rush the passer and hold blockers. We also all know the role of 3-4 defensive linemen is to take on blockers and if you've been paying attention this season you can tell me what defense we've been playin a whole lot this season...I'll give you a hint...it starts with 3 down linemen

2009 doesn't equal 2011
2010 doesn't equal 2011

I ain't mad, just fatigued from everyone proving you wrong all the time.;)

CantonLegend 12-16-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 357279)
2009 doesn't equal 2011
2010 doesn't equal 2011

I ain't mad, just fatigued from everyone proving you wrong all the time.;)

Ur right...2011 is a completely different season and the offense And defense looks better than last year

Im not sure who proved me wrong about anything but I know you haven't and I'm positive you won't do it this time

Teams are afraid of our blitzing...that's why we see so many max protects

All ur saying is that our defense stinks and complaining about it...well prove it

papz 12-16-2011 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 357271)
The front 4 can't get pressure so he has to manufacture pressure using blitz packages.

+1

Must go after Avril next off season. *drools*

Danno 12-16-2011 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 357280)
Ur right...2011 is a completely different season and the offense And defense looks better than last year

Im not sure who proved me wrong about anything but I know you haven't and I'm positive you won't do it this time

Teams are afraid of our blitzing...that's why we see so many max protects

All ur saying is that our defense stinks and complaining about it...well prove it

And this ladies and gentlemen is what is classically known as deflection. :p

Troll elsewhere junior.

Rugby Saint II 12-16-2011 03:58 PM

We blitz because we have less talent than necessary. This defense is built to have cover corners and be able to cover effectively for a short period of time.
The first thing Sean Payton did when he came here was address the corners. He understands how valuable the last line of defense is. Williams is taking advantage of that. We don't blitz less because we are not a team loaded with big play makers and if you can't get pressure you lose the chess match.

CantonLegend 12-16-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 357282)
And this ladies and gentlemen is what is classically known as deflection. :p

Troll elsewhere junior.

Lol I'm defending the team and I'm the one trolling? You crack me up

You are whining about the defense but you won't address any of my points... That seems more like ur deflecting answers than I am

saintfan 12-16-2011 04:12 PM

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gandhi1007 12-16-2011 06:48 PM

Will Smith = Over-rated & Over Paid.

Same for the rookie, Cameron Jordan.

RockyMountainSaint 12-16-2011 06:58 PM

:popcorn:

SAINTstunna 12-16-2011 07:11 PM

We blitz cuzz we cant get to QB, We need to stop blitzing cuzz WE CAN'T GET TO THE QB!!!!

foreverfan 12-16-2011 07:28 PM

Both Danno and Canton make valid arguments. The rush sucks but at least GW has confidence enough in the secondary to be able to play man to man which allows us greater pressure and forces the offense to max protect.

Still, the main problem is we can't get enough pressure with 4 so we have to bring 6. It must work ok since we're 10-3.

SAINTstunna 12-16-2011 07:31 PM


SAINTstunna 12-16-2011 07:38 PM

I love the aggressive play especially when it works.. 11-3 this weekend!!!!

halloween 65 12-16-2011 08:39 PM

Clue: Look at some old Jacksonville tapes and then tell me what ya' think. I have known the answer since G.W. was hired. Also tell me if they had better defensive personnel than we do today. Trick question........

homerj07 12-16-2011 09:01 PM

Well whatever he is doing it is BARELY working. I would feel a lot better with a more consistent defense

QBREES9 12-16-2011 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SAINTstunna (Post 357350)



OMG these guys are here too.

mikesaintfan 12-17-2011 07:19 AM

i personally like the blitz...can produce big plays with proper utilization of the blitz...THE PROBLEM IS THE BLITZ NEVER GETS THERE IN TIME!!! even if a sack is not achieved, the D must put a few remember me shots on the oposing QB(without a late hit penalty)...got to rattle them...it does seem like our blitzes are anticipated by the other team more than surprising them

jeanpierre 12-17-2011 07:49 AM

The defense has maybe two, three quality stops against quality opponents this year...and...

When we can't force turnovers, i.e., catch potential interceptions, and...

when we can't put consistent pressure on the oppositions' quarterbacks, and...

When a team tackles, or as is the case, mis-tackles as the Saints have this year...

It's time to have the Def. Coordinator and that staff polish their respective resumes and the chairs their a$$e$ have been smashed, and...

Get on a plane and go...

I for one have heard "GW" this and that ad nauseum and really would like to see a defense that ranks top 8 to truly complement Drew Brees and this historic offense...


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