Now we're talking

BlackandBlue · 03-05-2004, 10:41 AM

Saints | Woodard to Visit - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:51:29 -0800

The Boston Herald reports free agent DT Cedric Woodard (Seahawks) is scheduled to visit with the New Orleans Saints.

Now, this guy fits a need. :)

rAge · 03-05-2004, 10:50 AM

Yeah, right...another bench guy. Just what we need...

BlackandBlue · 03-05-2004, 11:14 AM

nothing to do with the saints or football in general, keep it clean guys!!

[Edited on 3/6/2004 by pakowitz]

ScottyRo · 03-05-2004, 11:30 AM

He\'s another DT that I\'ve never heard of. However, it appears that 2003 was his first opportunity to start on a regular basis. He didn\'t record a single sack, but he did net 40 or so tackles in 13 starts.

I\'d say there\'s a possibility that he\'s a player on the rise - especially with the right DL coach. If we can sign him to a reasonable contract, it\'s worth a shot.

BlackandBlue · 03-05-2004, 11:35 AM

He\'s a run stuffer, with the ability to play the nose, if needed, which is what I thought we needed on this team, given the ability to apply pressure on the QB by the other three defensive linemen. I didn\'t think we needed four potential pro-bowlers manning our front four and that a worker bee that could stuff the run would work.

rAge · 03-05-2004, 01:04 PM

So you\'re saying BnB that you are glad the Saints keep wasting time with bums like this guy instead of going after someone with real talent? It only takes common sense to know that this guy isn\'t worth a dime. The Seahawks need DT\'s worse than we do, so if the guy was any good...don\'t ya think they would be trying to keep him? Wow, such a hard concept...

Stuff like this is why the Saints are never going to get over the hump. Our management would rather sign backups than someone who can really help. Hey, sometimes it works (joe horn) but most of the time it has done nothing but waste everyone\'s time. I, for one, am sick of it. It\'s hard to cheer for a team that doesn\'t seem to want to win.

I\'m sorry that I don\'t get giddy everytime I see us bring in some second rate, career backup instead of a real talent like Rod Coleman or Robaire Smith. Antoine Winfield is back on the FA market, you think we will go after him? Not likely. We will probably end up having friggin Jason Webster come in and they will act like he can be a starter. It\'s ridiculous...

[Edited on 3/6/2004 by pakowitz]

whowatches · 03-05-2004, 01:16 PM

This guy\'s size leads me to believe he is better suited to stop the run, which is what we desparately need from the DT spot. Sacks, in my opinion, are a luxury stat from the DT position.

I, too, am disappointed that we did not grab either Griffin or R. Smith, but after those guys, who is really left? I am pleased that we aren\'t going to overspend on somebody like Sapp or Russell or even an undersized player like Brian Young.

As far as spending goes, can anyone (rAge) name a team that has signed lots of big name free-agents and gone to the Superbowl?

[Edited on 3/6/2004 by pakowitz]

rAge · 03-05-2004, 01:29 PM

I, too, am disappointed that we did not grab either Griffin or R. Smith, but after those guys, who is really left? I am pleased that we aren\'t going to overspend on somebody like Sapp or Russell or even an undersized player like Brian Young.

As far as spending goes, can anyone (rAge) name a team that has signed lots of big name free-agents and gone to the Superbowl?

First part - Who\'s left? Rod Coleman and after him, nobody, unless you want Sapp or Gilbert Brown.

Second part - I can, but they come before the cap. I\'m not saying we should sign big names. IMO, R.Smith, Winfield, Eric Barton, Rod Coleman...none of them are big names. They are all second-tier (as far as name value goes). I\'m against signing the huge names like Charles Woodson and Warren Sapp. But I am also sick of seeing us only go after guys who have been backups their entire career. We don\'t need to go after a huge name to get a good players, but we also need to stop diggin through everyone else\'s garbage.

WhoDat · 03-05-2004, 01:55 PM

He\'s not the most eloquent guy, but he has a point (sorry BnB). I mean, last year, I was upset when they didn\'t sign impact players, but then, they had an entire defense to rebuild, needed a TE, OT, backup to Deuce....

This year they need five players tops. Three impact players on the defensive side of the ball and they\'re set. I\'m not saying they should sell the farm for Bailey or Woodson, but the CB and DT markets are drying up quickly and we\'re not moving. The LB market was shallow to begin with. Now what? We use our $18 million of cap space to sign draft picks and June throw aways? C\'mon. Maybe 08 is right. Mayne they\'re saving this money to sign Manning. God knows why else they\'re not spending it to fill the few spots they need to get over the hump.

ScottyRo · 03-05-2004, 02:04 PM

I don\'t mind if they bring in Woodard as a role player (run support), but regardless of what they plan to do in the draft, they need to sign another veteran CB. Plummer is my choice of the players remaining.

it makes little sense to not sign any FAs so that they can have money to sign Manning. That\'s just what we need is a rookie QB and the same old holes on D.

03-05-2004, 10:41 AM	#1
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Now we're talking Saints \| Woodard to Visit - from www.KFFL.com Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:51:29 -0800 The Boston Herald reports free agent DT Cedric Woodard (Seahawks) is scheduled to visit with the New Orleans Saints. Now, this guy fits a need. :)

03-05-2004, 10:50 AM	#2
rAge 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 320	Now we're talking Yeah, right...another bench guy. Just what we need...
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03-05-2004, 11:14 AM	#3
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Now we're talking nothing to do with the saints or football in general, keep it clean guys!! [Edited on 3/6/2004 by pakowitz]

03-05-2004, 11:30 AM	#4
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Now we're talking He\'s another DT that I\'ve never heard of. However, it appears that 2003 was his first opportunity to start on a regular basis. He didn\'t record a single sack, but he did net 40 or so tackles in 13 starts. I\'d say there\'s a possibility that he\'s a player on the rise - especially with the right DL coach. If we can sign him to a reasonable contract, it\'s worth a shot.

03-05-2004, 11:35 AM	#5
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Now we're talking He\'s a run stuffer, with the ability to play the nose, if needed, which is what I thought we needed on this team, given the ability to apply pressure on the QB by the other three defensive linemen. I didn\'t think we needed four potential pro-bowlers manning our front four and that a worker bee that could stuff the run would work.

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rAge 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 320	Now we're talking So you\'re saying BnB that you are glad the Saints keep wasting time with bums like this guy instead of going after someone with real talent? It only takes common sense to know that this guy isn\'t worth a dime. The Seahawks need DT\'s worse than we do, so if the guy was any good...don\'t ya think they would be trying to keep him? Wow, such a hard concept... Stuff like this is why the Saints are never going to get over the hump. Our management would rather sign backups than someone who can really help. Hey, sometimes it works (joe horn) but most of the time it has done nothing but waste everyone\'s time. I, for one, am sick of it. It\'s hard to cheer for a team that doesn\'t seem to want to win. I\'m sorry that I don\'t get giddy everytime I see us bring in some second rate, career backup instead of a real talent like Rod Coleman or Robaire Smith. Antoine Winfield is back on the FA market, you think we will go after him? Not likely. We will probably end up having friggin Jason Webster come in and they will act like he can be a starter. It\'s ridiculous... [Edited on 3/6/2004 by pakowitz]
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03-05-2004, 01:16 PM	#7
whowatches 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 575	Now we're talking This guy\'s size leads me to believe he is better suited to stop the run, which is what we desparately need from the DT spot. Sacks, in my opinion, are a luxury stat from the DT position. I, too, am disappointed that we did not grab either Griffin or R. Smith, but after those guys, who is really left? I am pleased that we aren\'t going to overspend on somebody like Sapp or Russell or even an undersized player like Brian Young. As far as spending goes, can anyone (rAge) name a team that has signed lots of big name free-agents and gone to the Superbowl? [Edited on 3/6/2004 by pakowitz]
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03-05-2004, 01:29 PM	#8
rAge 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 320	Now we're talking I, too, am disappointed that we did not grab either Griffin or R. Smith, but after those guys, who is really left? I am pleased that we aren\'t going to overspend on somebody like Sapp or Russell or even an undersized player like Brian Young. As far as spending goes, can anyone (rAge) name a team that has signed lots of big name free-agents and gone to the Superbowl? First part - Who\'s left? Rod Coleman and after him, nobody, unless you want Sapp or Gilbert Brown. Second part - I can, but they come before the cap. I\'m not saying we should sign big names. IMO, R.Smith, Winfield, Eric Barton, Rod Coleman...none of them are big names. They are all second-tier (as far as name value goes). I\'m against signing the huge names like Charles Woodson and Warren Sapp. But I am also sick of seeing us only go after guys who have been backups their entire career. We don\'t need to go after a huge name to get a good players, but we also need to stop diggin through everyone else\'s garbage.
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03-05-2004, 01:55 PM	#9
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Now we're talking He\'s not the most eloquent guy, but he has a point (sorry BnB). I mean, last year, I was upset when they didn\'t sign impact players, but then, they had an entire defense to rebuild, needed a TE, OT, backup to Deuce.... This year they need five players tops. Three impact players on the defensive side of the ball and they\'re set. I\'m not saying they should sell the farm for Bailey or Woodson, but the CB and DT markets are drying up quickly and we\'re not moving. The LB market was shallow to begin with. Now what? We use our $18 million of cap space to sign draft picks and June throw aways? C\'mon. Maybe 08 is right. Mayne they\'re saving this money to sign Manning. God knows why else they\'re not spending it to fill the few spots they need to get over the hump.
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03-05-2004, 02:04 PM	#10
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Now we're talking I don\'t mind if they bring in Woodard as a role player (run support), but regardless of what they plan to do in the draft, they need to sign another veteran CB. Plummer is my choice of the players remaining. it makes little sense to not sign any FAs so that they can have money to sign Manning. That\'s just what we need is a rookie QB and the same old holes on D.