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pherein 12-28-2011 07:02 PM

Winning 3x Against the Same Opponent in the Same Season
 
Apparently since 1970 there have been 19 instances where a team had a chance to do this. Their combined record is 12-7 as of 2008.

The funny thing is the Cowboys show up twice, as two losses, so taking them out, the record is 12-5.


Apparently, It's Not Uncommon for Teams to Beat Opponents Three Times in One Season

Forced to post this , to many saints fans have a false assumption that playing the failclowns 3x is somehow dangerious, but the truth is it's almost a as close to a guaranteed win as you can hope for, and if you beat them 2x your better than they are.

RockyMountainSaint 12-28-2011 07:25 PM

Nice find pherein!

In '09, the Saints destroyed so many of the supposed reasons why they couldn't do this, that or the other thing.

I lend ZERO credence to those types of discussions.

TWO-DAT!

QBREES9 12-28-2011 09:41 PM

Those ( FalClowns ) Angry Birds don't scare the Saints.

homerj07 12-28-2011 09:55 PM

I have been saying this w/o the facts. The last one I rememebr for sure was Titans over Jax & two of them were HUGE wins, including the 1 in the playoffs the week ofter Jax had anniliated Miami

SaintsBro 12-29-2011 09:51 AM

Thank you Pherein. Now the other MYTH we need to educate people on this board about, is this thing of being afraid of going into Lambeau Field in January. The Packers have lost three of their last five home playoff games at Lambeau, and their run to the Super Bowl last year was done entirely on the road. The last really ridiculous freezing bad-weather playoff game there (2007 NFC Championship game, wind chill -24 F) the Packers LOST so it's not like they're invincible when the weather is bad. Their home record playoff stat at Lambeau is just hype, padded by years of impressive wins in the 1950s and 1960s and the Ice Bowl etc. They are 2-3 at home in the playoffs in the recent era.

pherein 12-29-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 361248)
Thank you Pherein. Now the other MYTH we need to educate people on this board about, is this thing of being afraid of going into Lambeau Field in January. The Packers have lost three of their last five home playoff games at Lambeau, and their run to the Super Bowl last year was done entirely on the road. The last really ridiculous freezing bad-weather playoff game there (2007 NFC Championship game, wind chill -24 F) the Packers LOST so it's not like they're invincible when the weather is bad. Their home record playoff stat at Lambeau is just hype, padded by years of impressive wins in the 1950s and 1960s and the Ice Bowl etc. They are 2-3 at home in the playoffs in the recent era.

Hmm nice info. I had forgotten that GB has not been very successful at home in the modern era. The average of 6-24 degrees is not very cold to play at Lambeau either, and we know we can score high there, because they have a nice well kept football field. Unlike Soldier stadium in 2006. That football field was horrible.

What is also interesting is what Patriots fans are saying about the big 3. They have been breaking down NO,GB and NE for weeks, and see us as having a more complete resume..

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These three teams interest me in terms of comparison. Most experts argue that GB is the clear favorite to win it all, and that NO is probably the most complete team, but most folks seem to think that, while Brady gives them a chance, their defense really is so bad as to make a championship not much more than a pipe dream. So let's put that to the test and compare the three teams.

OFFENSE
Yds/G
NO - 456.7 (#1)
NE - 424.5 (#2)
GB - 395.5 (#5)

Pass Yds/G
NO - 331.4 (#1)
NE - 316.1 (#2)
GB - 297.0 (#3)

Pass Y/A
NO - 8.2 (#5)
NE - 8.5 (#2)
GB - 9.2 (#1)

QB Rating
NO - 109.0 (#2)
NE - 105.1 (#3)
GB - 120.9 (#1)

Rush Yds/G
NO - 125.4 (#10)
NE - 108.4 (#20)
GB - 98.5 (#27)

Rush Y/A
NO - 4.7 (#6)
NE - 4.0 (#22)
GB - 4.0 (#21)

3rd Down %
NO - 54.8% (#1)
NE - 45.6% (#4)
GB - 48.0% (#2)

Points Per Game
NO - 32.6 (#2)
NE - 30.9 (#3)
GB - 34.3 (#1)

TO/G
NO - 1.1 (#4)
NE - 1.1 (#3)
GB - 0.8 (#2)

Red Zone Efficiency
NO - 57.1 (#8)
NE - 64.2 (#3)
GB - 65.1 (#2)

Time of Possession
NO - 31:51 (#5)
NE - 28.44 (#25)
GB - 30:24 (#12)

oSRS (profootball-reference.com)
NO - 9.7 (#2)
NE - 8.7 (#3)
GB - 11.0 (#1)

DEFENSE
Yds/G
NO - 366.1 (#25)
NE - 412.1 (#32)
GB - 400.7 (#31)

Pass Yds/G
NO - 256.1 (#28)
NE - 294.7 (#32)
GB - 286.3 (#31)

Pass Y/A
NO - 7.1 (#15)
NE - 8.2 (#29)
GB - 7.7 (#26)

QB Rating
NO - 86.4 (#23)
NE - 88.2 (#26)
GB - 78.3 (#8)

Rush Yds/G
NO - 109.9 (#12)
NE - 117.5 (#17)
GB - 114.4 (#16)

Rush Y/A
NO - 4.9 (#30)
NE - 4.6 (#25)
GB - 4.7 (#26)

3rd Down %
NO - 32.8 (#5)
NE - 44.1 (#29)
GB - 42.9 (#28)

TO/G
NO - 0.9 (#32)
NE - 2.0 (#4)
GB - 2.3 (#2)

Red Zone Efficiency
NO - 64.7% (#31)
NE - 53.5% (#18)
GB - 53.1% (#17)

dSRS (profootball-reference.com)
NO - 0.0 (#18)
NE - 0.0 (#18)
GB - 0.8 (#15)

The overall profile of Green Bay and New England couldn't be more similar. Not in every exact category, obviously, but in the vast majority. It seems to me that it's clear that NE is the #3 team of this group, but it's a lot closer than people would like to think.

Interestingly, NO probably has the best overall statistical profile. But they'll have to go on the road to beat Green Bay (assuming both teams advance that far), and NE would at least get GB (or NO, of course) on a neutral field.
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thebdj 12-29-2011 10:38 AM

People put far too much belief into the hoodoo voodoo of all this rubbish about playing the Falcons for a third time. Every time you play an opponent, it is an independent event. That is to say that each time cannot be linked with the next, regardless of who plays, the venue, the outcome or anything.

What I would say is that looking at the potential of playing the Falcons again in about 10 days time, as an independent event, I would say the Saints have the edge. They play exceptionally well at home and the home crowd is loud and proud. This boosts the Saints and unnerves any opponent. The Saints also boast an ability to outscore an opponent, any opponent, even if they ship points. There is no immediate pressure on either team that the other doesn't have. Both know that a win keeps their season alive. Both know that their next game would be on the road.

This is a level game which the Saints have a 'bookmakers edge' on.

And now just to afford myself being a Saints fan and ignoring what I just wrote. We're gonna smash them Dirty Birds up! hahaha

ScottF 12-29-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 361258)
Hmm nice info.
DEFENSE
Yds/G
NO - 366.1 (#25)
NE - 412.1 (#32)
GB - 400.7 (#31)

Pass Yds/G
NO - 256.1 (#28)
NE - 294.7 (#32)
GB - 286.3 (#31)

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Notice where GB and NE are in pass defense. They both have a chance to break the all-time record for most passing yards allowed in a season.
Sure, they give up a lot of 4th qtr garbage yards, but like ATL on Monday, if they could stop it, they would, right?

Trivia Time- whose record would GB or NE break if they give up even a moderate amount of yards on Sunday?

pherein 12-29-2011 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 361308)
Notice where GB and NE are in pass defense. They both have a chance to break the all-time record for most passing yards allowed in a season.
Sure, they give up a lot of 4th qtr garbage yards, but like ATL on Monday, if they could stop it, they would, right?

Trivia Time- whose record would GB or NE break if they give up even a moderate amount of yards on Sunday?

Yeah, doesn't seem like GB or NE can get teams off the field. The really telling part is that their defenses don't seem to be designed that way intentinally . They both don't have a "bend don't break " defense. You can tell that by....

The % of teams making 3rd downs on them
3rd Down %
NO - 32.8 (#5)
NE - 44.1 (#29)
GB - 42.9 (#28)

But our red zone defense really really needs to improve.
Red Zone Efficiency
NO - 64.7% (#31)
NE - 53.5% (#18)
GB - 53.1% (#17)

DrewDat 12-29-2011 04:15 PM

I Never Been The One To Play Into Myths..If That Was The Case We Wouldn't Have Been The Team To Lose Three Straight Games But Still Win A Superbowl Title


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