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WhoDat!656 01-03-2012 09:35 AM

The debate about MVP
An a$$-clown wrote that Brees' taking the passing record from Marino should have an asterisk by it because the rules are now skewed to favor the offense/QBs,WRs.

I find it ironic that no one said that when Peyton Manning threw for 49 TDs, or when Brady broke it with 50 the next year; but when Brees breaks a 20+ year-old passing record that some of the greatest QBs in the history of the NFL never even got close to, suddenly the greatness of it is suddenly watered down!

halloween 65 01-03-2012 09:51 AM

He's a Saint. They will never get on the wagon. To me it makes it so much better when we prove their sorry a$$ wrong. But it still makes me mad because of them being unfair. Just keep the faith!!

niteadept 01-03-2012 10:07 AM

Same old thing that a few years ago they did to Marino's record. Some folks just don't like their record to be broken. If Marino doesn't have a problem with it, then neither should anyone else. And we all know that if it was sooooo easy to break the record, then why has it stood for 27 years?! Let the a$$wipes be the a$$wipes of the world. Brees broke the record, now learn to deal with it.

WhoDat!656 01-03-2012 02:13 PM

NFL Live just made a point of mentioning that Matt Stafford and Tom Brady also went over the 5K passing mark.

Didn't hear any mention of asterisk for them and they didnt even break the record!!

papz 01-03-2012 02:14 PM

Any one else feel that Matt Flynn's performance the other day helped Brees' chances?

arsaint 01-03-2012 02:16 PM

I think it should probably be a co-MVP situation for the regular season, but I'll just settle for Drew being SuperBowl MVP again...

saintfan 01-03-2012 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by papz (Post 363280)
Any one else feel that Matt Flynn's performance the other day helped Brees' chances?

I feel that it should. I know that it won't. Sadly, the league flatly refuses to seek my opinion on the matter. :mrgreen:

homerj07 01-03-2012 05:19 PM


I keep saying - screw the League MVP - I want to see Drew get his 2nd SUPER BOWL MVP

Beastmode 01-03-2012 05:34 PM

Brees won't get it but I look at it this way, SB MVP, he already earned that title playing against the best of the best and has an opportunity to do it again. At the end of the day, I'd take a SB MVP anyday over a RS MVP.

Still, they are looking over some of Rogers shortcomings, like being sacked 12 more times. It would have been more if he'd played the last game considering Flynn was put down 5 times. Also running, Rogers runs because he has to, to the tune of 5X a game he just takes off. That's not an a good thing. Brees has more picks but that's because he plays the position of QB, not RB and not all those picks are entirely on him. What they are saying is all of Brees's records are impressive but not impressive enough. Get outta here..He broke several records, not just Marino's record.

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-03-2012 05:36 PM

Drew Brees

Completion PCT 71.2 %
Pass Yards 5,476
TD/INT 46-14
YPA 8.33
Att/Com 657/468

Aaron Rodgers

Completion PCT 68.3 %
Pass Yards 4,643
TD / INT 45-6
YPA 9.4
Att /Com 502/343

I don't think tipped balls for an interception should be a part of the evaluation unless a defender tips the ball and another defender recovers. Our own receivers tipping the ball happened many times this year to Brees. Need to see if I can find the number.

And, even though Rodgers threw, on average, passes for one more yard than Brees, Brees threw 125 more caught passes than Rodgers. Brees also threw for 833 more yards than Rodgers. This would obviously open him up to more interceptions.

To me the quarterback who has the most balls thrown accurately -- in a league where passing skill is obviously getting teams into the playoffs -- wins the argument for me.

I also think how many sacks or fumbles a quarterback takes should enter into the evaluation, because I see pocket-presence, mobility, ball security and elusiveness as important quarterback attributes. But his O-line's comparative ability to protect him and his center's ball skills would have to be part of the analysis. I'm having trouble finding/interpreting these numbers for Brees vs. Rodgers this year. Maybe someone else can help.

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