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Danno 01-09-2012 03:13 PM

I'm confused about the Saints/49ers
 
So I'm seeing a lot of sports media picking the 49ers, but then why are most of the sports articles asking if the 49ers can stop the Saints? Or what can they do to slow down the Saints? And how they need to water down the field. And why are the Saints favored by 3-1/2?

papz 01-09-2012 03:16 PM

We're down South... they have all the media bias out there.

Hey remember when USC could play in the NFL?

Being a +3.5 home dog is all that needs to be said... and that number is probably going to rise.

Budsdrinker 01-09-2012 03:28 PM

Yep, every talking head is going to bring up the fact that we haven't won a playoff game on the road never mind the fact that we only played what 3 games on the road in our history. 2 of them in snowy Chicago and the debacle in Seattle where we went in thinking we were going to win just by showing up. I look for us to be very motivated in this one and win by 14.

Tobias-Reiper 01-09-2012 03:29 PM

They are just having hallucinations it's the 1980s.

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 03:31 PM

We haven't won a road playoff game ever and all of our losses came on the road this season

Ppl that say we are a bad road team may not be right...but it's hard to prove them wrong

AsylumGuido 01-09-2012 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366294)
We haven't won a road playoff game ever and all of our losses came on the road this season

Ppl that say we are a bad road team may not be right...but it's hard to prove them wrong

We are 18-6 over the last three years on the road. That is not the record of a team that is BAD on the road. Are we better at home? Yes, all teams are, but that that does not mean we are bad on the road.

neugey 01-09-2012 03:41 PM

We're from the SEC and they're from the PAC 10 so we're favored. Oh wait ... ;)

Danno 01-09-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366294)
We haven't won a road playoff game ever and all of our losses came on the road this season

Ppl that say we are a bad road team may not be right...but it's hard to prove them wrong


We've lost two road games in the playoffs under payton, and one was 5 years ago. Not exactly a huge sample size. Weak and irrelevant stat.

As a road team this season, we're tied for 4th best in the NFL.

saintfan 01-09-2012 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 366271)
So I'm seeing a lot of sports media picking the 49ers, but then why are most of the sports articles asking if the 49ers can stop the Saints? Or what can they do to slow down the Saints? And how they need to water down the field. And why are the Saints favored by 3-1/2?

C'mon man. You know this. The talking heads create controversy to get ratings so they can sell advertising. That's all it's about.

If they do the obvious thing and pick the Saints across the board then who's going to get angry at whom? Maybe they rile up Canton and a few Niners fans, but that's about it.

If they do the thing that is controversial then they get us all worked up and people jump on the internet and call such and such and so and so an idiot and people tune in to hear the idiot say the next ignorant thing.

The short answer is money. LOL

:bng:

Danno 01-09-2012 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 366315)
C'mon man. You know this. The talking heads create controversy to get ratings so they can sell advertising. That's all it's about.

If they do the obvious thing and pick the Saints across the board then who's going to get angry at whom? Maybe they rile up Canton and a few Niners fans, but that's about it.

If they do the thing that is controversial then they get us all worked up and people jump on the internet and call such and such and so and so an idiot and people tune in to hear the idiot say the next ignorant thing.

The short answer is money. LOL

:bng:

It was basically a rhetorical question, but I like your answer. And Zooey is growing on me big time. I totally get it now.

FinSaint 01-09-2012 04:12 PM

Theoretically the SB game was a road playoff game, which the Saints won. Also, it was an outdoor game as a reminder for all of those who claim that the Saints can't win outdoors.

Budsdrinker 01-09-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 366321)
Theoretically the SB game was a road playoff game, which the Saints won. Also, it was an outdoor game as a reminder for all of those who claim that the Saints can't win outdoors.

And the conditions will be the same. In the 60's and the field will be damp.
Remember the Mike Bell slip. I think we learned what to do.

SaintsRule11 01-09-2012 06:34 PM

Saints take this one 38-24.

skymike 01-09-2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 366271)
So I'm seeing a lot of sports media picking the 49ers....

Good!

The Dude 01-09-2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 366271)
So I'm seeing a lot of sports media picking the 49ers, but then why are most of the sports articles asking if the 49ers can stop the Saints? Or what can they do to slow down the Saints? And how they need to water down the field. And why are the Saints favored by 3-1/2?

I gave up on the sports media making anything close to any sense. They are not there to report news or break down gameplay anymore. Now all they do is spin stories to get ratings and sway peoples opinion for the bookies. They talk out of both sides of their mouth constantly.

Beastmode 01-09-2012 07:27 PM

The best offense to ever suit up against a good defense. The extra prep time and rest will help but it won't make them the greatest defense to ever suit up.

As for the field conditions, they have to play on the same field!
Can someone explain to me how this is going to assist them getting pressure on Brees. It won't.

halloween 65 01-09-2012 07:31 PM

I like when they talk trash. It makes it that much more enjoyable when we kick San. Frans. a$$. I got a feeling the talking heads picked wrong. Saints by15.

homerj07 01-09-2012 07:33 PM

Ummm - weren't we on the road when we won...

THE SUPER BOWL?!?!

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 366321)
Theoretically the SB game was a road playoff game, which the Saints won. Also, it was an outdoor game as a reminder for all of those who claim that the Saints can't win outdoors.

The super bowl is played on a neutral field. Thats not what ppl are talking about

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 366296)
We are 18-6 over the last three years on the road. That is not the record of a team that is BAD on the road. Are we better at home? Yes, all teams are, but that that does not mean we are bad on the road.

All f our losses came on the road this year. All of our recent playoff losses have come on the road as well

I think it's stupid when ppl say we can't play on the road but there's some truth in what they say

At the dome we are unbeatable...away we struggle a good deal more

FinSaint 01-09-2012 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366480)
The super bowl is played on a neutral field. Thats not what ppl are talking about


Oh, really?! I guess that might be why I put the word "theoretically" before the statement. :doh:

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 366513)
Oh, really?! I guess that might be why I put the word "theoretically" before the statement. :doh:

Lol everybody on here testy cuz lsu is getting worked?

Lmao

FinSaint 01-09-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366516)
Lol everybody on here testy cuz lsu is getting worked?

Lmao


I couldn't care less about LSU or any other college team or game for that matter, but I would only ask that you actually read the posts before commenting on them... I think that is considered a common courtesy around here.

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 366521)
I couldn't care less about LSU or any other college team or game for that matter, but I would only ask that you actually read the posts before commenting on them... I think that is considered a common courtesy around here.

No idea why ur mad about this. All I said was that the super bowl was played on a neutral field

It's not considered an away game because neither team is playing at home

Ppl consider us a weak road team for several reasons...none of which apply on a neutral field

FinSaint 01-09-2012 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366544)
No idea why ur mad about this. All I said was that the super bowl was played on a neutral field

It's not considered an away game because neither team is playing at home

Ppl consider us a weak road team for several reasons...none of which apply on a neutral field


I'm not mad about anything... well I am about somethings, but none of those have anything to do with football, this board or you.

One of the reasons why people do think that the Saints are a weak road team is that they consider the Saints to be an "Arena League" team, which can only succeed under the roof and on the artificial turf it provides. I think that both of these questions can be answered (at least to some extent) by looking at the SB game, which was played away from the confines of the Superdome on an "outdoor" stadium with natural grass as the surface.

If you refuse to comprehend that you're entitled to hold the perception you prefer.

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 366558)
I'm not mad about anything... well I am about somethings, but none of those have anything to do with football, this board or you.

One of the reasons why people do think that the Saints are a weak road team is that they consider the Saints to be an "Arena League" team, which can only succeed under the roof and on the artificial turf it provides. I think that both of these questions can be answered (at least to some extent) by looking at the SB game, which was played away from the confines of the Superdome on an "outdoor" stadium with natural grass as the surface.

If you refuse to comprehend that you're entitled to hold the perception you prefer.

That's fine but we also lost to st Louis in a dome so the outside conditions are only a portion of ppls concerns

The superdome is the biggest home field advantage in sports and when ur on top...there's only one way to go when you leave the done and that's down

We score about half as many points away from home and drew throws twice as many picks away

I don't think it's necessarily a direct correlation but I don't think its purely coincidence either

papz 01-09-2012 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 366521)
I couldn't care less about LSU or any other college team or game for that matter, but I would only ask that you actually read the posts before commenting on them... I think that is considered a common courtesy around here.

Good luck with that Fin.

halloween 65 01-09-2012 10:50 PM

Their field or our field it's not going to matter Payton and our Saints are on a mission, San. Fran. might slow us down at first {I doubt it} but it want be enough. We have handled every D we have faced except the Rams and I'm sure Payton would have the answers if they try to mimic the way the Rams played us. Just keep the faith and all will be well. The Lions worried me more than the 9'ers do. Keep the Faith!!

FinSaint 01-09-2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366565)
That's fine but we also lost to st Louis in a dome so the outside conditions are only a portion of ppls concerns

The superdome is the biggest home field advantage in sports and when ur on top...there's only one way to go when you leave the done and that's down

We score about half as many points away from home and drew throws twice as many picks away

I don't think it's necessarily a direct correlation but I don't think its purely coincidence either


Look I don't know what your agenda is exactly, but I've only been responding to your comments on my posts, and it seems like when I answer to your comments you just ignore them and come up with new additional arguments, which were never part of the original debate.

Here's a recent post from the 49ers thread from a user who clearly isn't a Saints' fan.

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Originally Posted by Arodgers12 (Post 366560)
I think it will be alot closer then people think. I can even see the Niners pulling it off. I do think the Saints will most likely win but being outdoors on a grass field on the west coast will hurt the Saints.

That was my point, not that the Saints are invincible in a dome environment. And of course the Saints do better in a dome environment, because when you take weather conditions out of the equation, a pass heavy team like the Saints will always have a better chance at succeeding - there's no mystery there.

papz 01-09-2012 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366516)
Lol everybody on here testy cuz lsu is getting worked?

Lmao

Who's everyone?

Nor, as usual, I don't see the relevance or correlation to what's being discussed.

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 366579)
Look I don't know what your agenda is exactly, but I've only been responding to your comments on my posts, and it seems like when I answer to your comments you just ignore them and come up with new additional arguments, which were never part of the original debate.

Here's a recent post from the 49ers thread from a user who clearly isn't a Saints' fan.



That was my point, not that the Saints are invincible in a dome environment. And of course the Saints do better in a dome environment, because when you take weather conditions out of the equation, a pass heavy team like the Saints will always have a better chance at succeeding - there's no mystery there.

I wasn't arguing with you

I was just discussing

saintfan 01-09-2012 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 366581)
Who's everyone?

Nor, as usual, I don't see the relevance or correlation to what's being discussed.

Hell he's just here to start trouble. He comes by once a month or so, like, you know...that other thing that happens once a month. :mrgreen:

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 366585)
Hell he's just here to start trouble. He comes by once a month or so, like, you know...that other thing that happens once a month. :mrgreen:

And trolling again

saintfan 01-09-2012 11:02 PM

Fantastic!

subguy 01-09-2012 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 366585)
Hell he's just here to start trouble. He comes by once a month or so, like, you know...that other thing that happens once a month. :mrgreen:

A douche nozzle reference?

saintfan 01-09-2012 11:07 PM

Nah. Choupique is actually entertaining...sometimes. LOL

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-10-2012 12:03 AM

It has not been raining out here at all. It has been one of the driest fall/winters I've seen. So, unless they water the field, it should not be wet, at all.

I saw the us play last year at Candle Stick. We had no problem with the field what so ever.

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-10-2012 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 366585)
Hell he's just here to start trouble. He comes by once a month or so, like, you know...that other thing that happens once a month. :mrgreen:

You meant the moon getting full, right?

skymike 01-10-2012 07:10 AM

the rent is due?

AlaskaSaints 01-10-2012 10:51 AM

HYPE them 'Niners. Please.

We defeat hype pretty readily.

Alaska


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