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Now I know that there is a wild amount of man-love on this board for Vilma. However, where he goes in the draft isn't entirely within our control. If he's still there at #18, we might well take him.

What eats at me is the number of quality free agents available that are within our control to make a move on. Haz and company have yet to make a meaningful move to address either the CB or MLB position during his tenure. By deliberately choosing not to even schedule visits with one of the deeper FA CB pools in recent memory, it looks like the coaching staff is content with the status quo. By choosing not to even talk to some good free agents the coaching staff is saying a couple of things:
1. There are no free agents available that are better than what we currently have.
2. There are no free agents available that are better than what we can draft.

The status quo seems fine for these guys. Now Young was a good pick up, even though he's a 1 gap guy. We'd need a ruling from Tweeky here, but Clancy might be a nice gamble to bring in to play 2 gap for us. As a backup from the Steelers, he might make a nice addition and give us a real 2 gap guy.

Taylor and Vincent are both old, but I like our secondary better with either of them than the old guys we currently have in Ambrose and Carter. I'm not even going to get into the absolute refusal to even talk to the younger, quality CB's.

Short would have also made a nice pickup, or Dhani Jones. The only plus to Short signing with Washington is that makes it even more likely that Trotter gets released on June 1. But even with Trotter gettting released, I don't have a lot of confidence in Haz-matic to even schedule a visit with him.

The message of free agency this year is the same as any other year, "what we're doing is good enough". To hear the coaching staff talk, you'd think we were in the NFC championship game every season and were just one bad ruling from the refs from being in the superbowl.

But now for all you bargain hunting guys:
1. We're going to either pay Howard Kearse money or leave him as a huge cap hit under the franchise tag.
2. We're going to give Deuce huge money (I don't necessarily disagree with paying him more though)
3. We're setting ourselves up for Brooks cap number to skyrocket over the next 2 seasons.

We are not creating the Patriots here. We are going to be paying guys arguably too much. It looks pretty realistic to have 3 guys taking up 20% of next year's cap space. If we are going to pay that kind of money, why are we consistently refusing to address the gaping holes in the defense we have at LB and CB? Vilma may be good, he may be the next Lawrence freaking Taylor, but isn't is crazy to be pinning all our hopes on him falling to #18. Is it possible that out of the whole league we are the only team that possibly realizes he is the single best LB in the draft class? It is simply insane to continue to leave our heads in the sand and not address the CB and LB positions and think things are going to get better. Our poor play at LB and CB is not because of officiating or mental lapses, it's because we don't have guys who are capable at playing on a high level. As a result, we have painted ourselves into a corner during free agency and put ALL of our eggs in the draft basket.

This is stupid.

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You and I have no idea who they have and have not talked to.
When you factor in cost, these statements may actually be correct.
I gave you a ruling last week. Sullivan is moving to the 2-gap. Its what he was originally drafted for.
Yea, bring in some more old guys at inflated prices. Not a great idea, but yea, I do like both these guys a bit more than Ambrose and Carter. We have talked to younger CB\'s and again, we don\'t know who they\'ve talked to.
We spent quite a bit on FA’s in the last two years. We had a MAJOR overhaul of our defense last year. \"what we\'re doing is good enough\" doesn\'t apply to 2002 and 2003 at all.
Ther’es also Rod Davis, Darryl Smith, Donaterrious Thomas, Courtney Watson and Rich Siegler. I don’t think anyone is pinning all our hopes on Vilma at MLB.
That draft basket is filled with highly talented CB and LB’s this year. 1 and 2A will be a LB/CB combo. And we still have veteran cuts to weed through and a whole month until the draft.
Only if the Season started tomorrow.

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Wah, Wah, Wah!! Cry me a river!

Truth is, no one knows what teams they are talking to or what free agents they are talking to. They may be talking to New England or Oakland about aquiring a CB. So, why don\'t we just hold-off on the panicking just yet!

:casstet:

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May I get an AMEN from the congregation -- and a thank you to tweek...err, ummm...Danno? Once again, cooler heads prevail. I think some of you should just go ahead and take the leap on over to the Redskins Bandwagon. Better get on now too, cause there\'s a wagon that won\'t make it across the river! ;)

Spending now will cost Snyder later

What does Snyder know that the other NFL owners don\'t? Nothing. It\'s what he doesn\'t know -- or fails to acknowledge -- that eventually will be exposed.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...=tsn&type=lgns

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Just because the Saints didn\'t go spend 80 million dollars in the first few days they are the Do Nothing Francise... please. They are working adding depth and resignings. Hell only two spots to fill and prepare for the draft, ooops 3... sign Sam Gash.

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All this from the same guys who told us not to get upset about the Orlando Ruff signing last year. All of this from the guys who told us Ambrose had a few good years left and that the defense would be top ten or fifteen.

Looks like the same guys are saying the same things they said last year. Certain other people (yes that includes me) are unhappy with the Saints showing in the offseason... but the same people that have been telling us to trust the coaches for two seasons are telling us to do it again. Sorry, still not buying. By the way, how did all that trusting the coaches pan out last season?


My prediction for this season is looking to be landing on 10-6 and a first round playoff loss. Why? B/c it is the WORST possible thing that could happen to the franchise. The Saints would be just good enough to make the playoffs and buy Haslett another 3 seasons, but realistically they won\'t really be contenders. And over the next three years you\'ll hear the same guys telling you not to get upset when the 3rd most money available under the cap doesn\'t buy you the ONE MLB and ONE CB you need to be a true contender. OK guys, we\'ll all just sit by and feel blessed that Benson hasn\'t taken the team out of the state yet... right?

[Edited on 16/3/2004 by WhoDat]

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Spurrier was an even bigger idiot then previously expected ?? Spurrier could have had the All Pro team in a Redskins uniform and lost the season in Washington .

Gibbs is a little better coach , Gibbs could have the same impact in Washington that Parcels did in Dallas . Then the news reports will turn to Benson and say what did you learn from Dallas and Washington ???

I should have gotten a qualified coaching staff ........

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Oh come now 08, he\'s got one. Jim Haslett eats footballs. If that doesn\'t translate into football knowledge, I don\'t know what does.

Analyst: Saints have holes to fill at MLB and CB.
Reporter: Saints not likely to sign an MLB or CB, but look for a few interior lineman and a 35 year old FB... oh, and a defensive lineman out of the SEC.

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Those guys, them guys, some guys... NEWS FLASH: Haslett is the coach and none of us can do anything about it except deal with it unless you wish to trade your alliances to say the Redskins or Falcons, hell be my guess. So all we can do is just bicker about whats going on and wait and see the next moves the front office makes. I would have make some swiping changes in the Coaching staff but hey not so... so all I or any of us have to do is either move alliance or some how get behind this team and look for the positives.

10-6 I think is realistic and hopefully we will have a decent divisional record to carry us into the playoffs as a wildcard.

[Edited on 16/3/2004 by deadflatbird]

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Best case scenario is that we are 1 game off of .500.

What we need to realize is that by continuing to neglect the linebacking corps and keeping the secondary as-is, we are putting all the pressure on our offense to beat the Falcons for example.

Based on the personnel we have right now, Michael Vick gets one block at the line and he runs through our LB\'s and right past the secondary. Makes for a long day.

Without some run support, Davis and Foster are going to hurt us, even if Jake only throws for 25 yards.

The coming season is again shaping up to be a \"please don\'t let anything happen to Deuce\" kind of season.

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Deal with it . On this subject matter it can be interpreted in a few ways .

Some have sent back their season ticket renewal notices with a note saying \" not until you address the problems \" .

My personal favorite , the newspaper section before the Super Bowl with the Jake Delhomme picture on it , sent to Airline drive with the words \" Shoulda Woulda Coulda \" written in bold red lettering . Under that written \" It\'s called talent evaluation \" .

Some will swallow anything .

I like to see what they are trying to feed me .......

Deal with it , some do it differently ...... ;)

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Well I for one wanted a change in the coaching staff... but that isn\'t going to happen obviously so I am having to deal with that but... I am no expert either just critic with an opinion. When the Roster is set and the first kick-off starts... I\'ll have to deal with it. When there are 12-4 0r 4-12... I\'ll some how deal with it. I think you are right the only option we have has fans is not buy tickets.

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Which guys are you referring to? I don\'t think anyone claimed he was the next Ray Lewis. Most thought he\'d be a decent pick-up, especially against the run. He was an early season bust who improved as the year went on. But I\'ll give you he didn\'t quite live up to expectations, but he was an improvement over the previous year\'s MLB.
We could have done a lot worse.

Which guys are you referring to? Everyone assumed he was brought in to be a nickle back. He was exactly what we expected him to be.
I thought the defense improved quite a bit from 2002. If it weren\'t for catostophic injuries, this D may have indeed rose to around 15th.

Which guys are you referring to? I think the hot topic last year was CB or DL? I also think most of the conversation was about overpaying Gandy and Jones. I don\'t think anyone is saying we overpaid for free agents this year. What is being repeated this year?

Which guys are you referring to? I don\'t recall anyone said trust the coaches. If anything I remember Haslett and Venturi and Loomis getting hammered on a daily basis.

Which guys will that be? I certainly won\'t get upset when we have more than enough money to re-sign our two best players, McAllister and Howard, ensuring they won\'t be cap casualties next year and scooped up by Danny Boy Sneider.

I\'m kinda happy he hasn\'t moved us yet, aren\'t you?

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Shall we start here ???

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...=2461#pid19858

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One person? He hasn\'t even posted on this topic yet?
I haven\'t heard from him in weeks. So I know WhoDat wasn\'t talking about him, since he hasn\'t commented on free agency yet.
Try starting somewhere else, shall we?
One person doesn\'t imply \"the same guys\"

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Wow! In all my years as a Saints fan I\'ve never wanted anything less than success for my favorite team. This kind of thinking is foreign to me. Regardless of the talent (or lack of talent) on the team or the coaching staff, all I ever want is success.
We\'ve all had to watch some pretty bad Saints teams in the past and I personally think that this is one of the best teams that the organization has ever had. And that includes our quarterback.

How can a person be a fan if they want their \"favorite\" team to fail?

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I\'d suggest you get used to this kind of thinking around here. There are still some of us who agree with you whole-heartedly, but I warn you -- you\'re in the minority. Negativity and Pessimism rule the day here. I do, however, welcome you into the battle. We need Fans like you!

I think some of these people are really Redskins fans.

I KNOW some of these people are Panthers fans.

I think they just come here to stir trouble. ;)

[Edited on 16/3/2004 by saintfan]

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Yep, that\'s it.

Let me ask all you \"follow the leaders\", if you were to go to a restaurant that had no menu, would you eat whatever they decided to serve you? People question the leadership of this country all the time, that doesn\'t make them any less american than you or I. Do you think that the fans of the Blackhawks (Chicago; NHL) should continue following a team who\'s owner could care less whether or not he goes to the playoffs, just as long as he turns a profit? I\'m not saying I\'m no longer a Saints fan, but to not have the ability to question the moves made by management, that reeks of totalitarianism, and so therefore I will not stand by and listen to you degrade the United States of America!!!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you, please, no need for applause :P


[Edited on 16/3/2004 by BlackandBlue]

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I just puked on my keyboard.

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Choke, you totalitarianist- there\'s no room for you in this free country of ours! :P

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B&B, you make me laugh. But you are right, fans should be allowed to hope for better than 8-8.

2 days after the draft, the wacky 14-2 predictions are going to get trotted out. I don\'t know how folks like that can ride the emotional roller coaster that requires.

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So many people on this board seem to forget that the Saints were a shanked kick and a dropped pass away from 10-6 and the playoffs last year. They seem to forget that half our starting D was injured for the first half of the season. They seem to forget that the Saints are in a great draft position, with 4 picks on the first day.

So why not 14-2?
Before last season there were plenty of Patriots fans chirping:
\"why didn\'t we pick up a reciever, we can\'t have Troy Brown as our number one guy\"
\"we can\'t go into the season with Kevin Faulk our starting running back\"
\"we never should of let Lawyer Milloy go, Rodney Harrison is old and second tier\".

There were plenty of holes on that team, but they went 14-2. They won the super bowl as well, if I remember correctly. And trust me, before the season, there were some Patriots fans chirping away about how they need a whole new coaching staff after missing the playoffs the year before.

I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again, the difference between the 8-8 teams and the 14-2 teams in todays NFL is marginal. Now don\'t get me wrong, for the Saints to finish 14-2 would require a whole lotta luck. Three years ago the Bears went 13-3 with a BELOW average talent level. The Saints are definitely more talented than they were.

So to all the pessimists out there, I guess all I can say is go ahead, keep chirping, but you\'ll have to forgive me if I haven\'t thrown in the towel on next season quite yet.

[Edited on 17/3/2004 by Cadillac]

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It\'s easy to throw in the towel. It\'s easier to be Negative than it is to be Positive. I don\'t think the nay-sayers have forgotten about the injuries and blown calls, they just don\'t want to acknowledge them. It takes away from their argument.

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LMAO. I love that guy.

You for one. Saintfan and Billy for two more. Other than one other member I was the ONLY person on this board who predicted less than a winning season. The general concensus last offseason was that the defense got better, the O would be tops in the league, our special teams was unstoppable, and all that made for a 10-6 or 11-5 season. You were all wrong. Now, same non-action or wrong moves in the offseason. Same people talking about how the moves are good ones. Same people will be promising playoffs and super bowls.

Go ahead - tell me how NOT signing a starting corner or LB was a GOOD idea this year in FA. Tell me how not being in cap trouble should somehow make me happy that this team is .500 over the last 3 years. Oooh goodie! Sorry guys, I want to win. We can do that, but not with the coaches and front office we\'ve got. Everyone is so excited b/c this is the most talented team we\'ve had maybe ever. WELL THAT HASN\'T TRANSLATED INTO WINS! That should make you mad - pissed - crazed. How is it possible that the 1987 or \'89 Saints could be BETTER than the team we\'ve got now? The answer is easy - coaches. You guys don\'t want to complain about it, don\'t. But don\'t tell me how the horsesh!t they\'re peddling is champaign.

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You for one. Saintfan and Billy for two more. Other than one other member I was the ONLY person on this board who predicted less than a winning season. The general concensus last offseason was that the defense got better, the O would be tops in the league, our special teams was unstoppable, and all that made for a 10-6 or 11-5 season. You were all wrong. Now, same non-action or wrong moves in the offseason. Same people talking about how the moves are good ones. Same people will be promising playoffs and super bowls.

Go ahead - tell me how NOT signing a starting corner or LB was a GOOD idea this year in FA. Tell me how not being in cap trouble should somehow make me happy that this team is .500 over the last 3 years. Oooh goodie! Sorry guys, I want to win. We can do that, but not with the coaches and front office we\'ve got. Everyone is so excited b/c this is the most talented team we\'ve had maybe ever. WELL THAT HASN\'T TRANSLATED INTO WINS! That should make you mad - pissed - crazed. How is it possible that the 1987 or \'89 Saints could be BETTER than the team we\'ve got now? The answer is easy - coaches. You guys don\'t want to complain about it, don\'t. But don\'t tell me how the horsesh!t they\'re peddling is champaign. [/quote:0bebdeb63e]
Dude, you’re all over the place, flailing like a little San Fran Girly-man in a Bourbon Street bar fight. ;)
But I’ll be gentle… I know the frustration must be warping your focus…

Wow, you guessed 1 or 2 games less than we did. I’m awestruck. I’m amazed you could predict our Offense struggling, and our pro-bowl quality special teams absolutely falling apart, and I’m sure you just knew we’d lose our best DL, best LB, and best safety in about a 2-game span. I’m sure you knew Joe Horn and company would drop more crucial passes than they ever had in their careers. I’m sure you knew we play 3 or 4 games with ½ our defense out with injuries.

The NFL is so unpredictable. That’s why every NFL expert qualifies their predictions with “BARRING MAJOR INJURIES� team X should finish 10-6 or 9-9. NEWS FLASH: The Saints sufferd MAJOR injuries. If anyone reviewed the Saints season without their panties cutting off circulation to the brain they’d see why we slipped to 8-8. And it had nothing to do with the CB many screamed for last year. You were wrong. But I’ve explained this 10,000 times already. If I can’t convince someone that 2+2=4 after several tries, I give up. Well maybe not.

Non-action? We signed Gandy, Jones, Conwell, Ambrose, Ruff, and Rogers. You can debate if they were the right guys, but can’t claim non-action.

I’m confused, you say this is the most talented team we’ve ever had, but you complain we didn’t sign a LB or CB? Then you say the answer is coaching. If coaching is the problem then what difference does it make if we sign an overpriced starting LB or CB?

WhoDat, last year I think every stinking one of us pointed to the weak link being coaching. Even Billy and SaintFan. The kindest thing we said was that maybe they could grow and improve. So don’t give me any crap about confusing horsesh!t with champagne. Its condescending and arrogant.

You’re turning into 08, only with much better grammar and sentence structure.. ;)

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Hold on, time out.

You\'re going to try to tell me that you, Billy, and Saintfan were down on the coaches BEFORE last season?

You\'re going to tell me that you guys were unhappy with the moves they made or didn\'t make LAST OFFSEASON?

It\'s really easy for you to say this now, but it certainly isn\'t even close to the sunshine being sold on this board this time last year. Do you want to dispute that or should I go look up quotes?

Coaching is the problem (in our case that includes talent evaluation and team direction). Who do you think is responsible for the fact that the D-line has gone from small, agile and attacking, to fat and slow, and back again? This team needed a starting, impact LB last season. They didn\'t get it. They needed one this year. They haven\'t shown interest yet. They needed a stud corner last season. They need one this season. Still nothing. If you think Brian Young solves all of our DL problems, go ahead and think that. That\'s like saying that Ruff solved our problems at LB or Carter at CB. RIGHT.

GO ahead and tell me about injuries. You sound just like everyone using conditioning and youth as an excuse in \'02. Or team chemistry in \'01. What\'s your excuse going to be this year? You act as if there\'s nothing to even be concerned about. OK, so when they end up 8-8 and out of the playoffs for the fourth year in a row I guess you\'ll be telling me why Haslett and Company will get it right NEXT YEAR.

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WhoDat

Believing in Brooks and Haslett to get us deeply into the playoffs is a lot like being a compulsive gambler at a slot machine, \"Just 1 more roll of quarters and I hit the gazillion dollar jackpot.\" It doesn\'t matter that they\'ve spent $1500 in quarters already and haven\'t slept for 3 days, they are absolutely convinced that this is the year. \"Just one more guy from Georgia and we\'ll be in the superbowl.\"

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The Redskins are looking for two more qualified fans...they need your gate money when you watch \'em work out in the coming pre-season. :P

Ok, Whodat (and anyone else for that matter), injuries can kill a football team. They can kill a baseball team, or a basketball team, or a hockey team, or a soccer team, or a beach volleyball team...

...I haven\'t been as down on the coaches as a lot of you. I have said time and again that the buck stops with the head coach, and I maintain that, but you\'ve been after Haz from day one. You have NEVER liked the guy and you never will. It\'s obvious because no matter what this team does you and a handful of others mock it. He does need a good showing this year...but his ability to coach has nothing to do with Delhomme being gone or Turley being gone or any of the other players some of you guys are in love with. Considering all the crap the Saints had to deal with last year maybe Haz did a decent job holding on to playoff hopes as long as he did. Sure, he\'s done some things I disagree with, but so has Bill Parcells. I doubt very seriously Mr. Parcells (considered the best coach in the game by most) manages his team and the games to your exacting standards. Hopefully, Joe Gibbs will, and you\'ll be happy as a Redskins fan. ;)

[Edited on 18/3/2004 by saintfan]

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I agree... you have to realize when haslett is on the sideline and Brooks behind center... we will cheer for them. What happens when they are 10-6 and or in a NFC champtionship games... who eats crow? Some of the talk here I swear are not fans of the team at all... the debate over haslett and brooks is over they are staying... so sense we have to deal with them who can and what can we do to make them better...

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Whodat\'s prediction of the NFC South in March of Last year:

So was ANY of this correct Mr. Prediction? Looks like Howie Long\'s job is safe afterall.

By the way, do any of us think injuries played a part in the Falcons or Bucs not reaching Whodat\'s predicted win total? I think they did. But as Dennis Miller once said, \"that\'s just me...I could be wrong\". :P

[Edited on 18/3/2004 by saintfan]

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There you go again with the broadbrush generalizations.

You\'re going to try to tell me that you, Billy, and Saintfan were down on the coaches BEFORE last season?
I certainly wasn’t gung-ho about them. I know I acknowledged it several times. I can’t speak for Billy and saintfan.
You\'re going to tell me that you guys were unhappy with the moves they made or didn\'t make LAST OFFSEASON?
I personally thought we made some good and bad moves. I wasn’t unhappy.

I thought these were GOOD…Gandy, Conwell, Jones, Rogers, Keaton
I was right on all but Keaton, but Jones is debatable

I thought these were AVERAGE but OK… Ruff
A disappointment but not horrible

I thought these were BAD… Ambose
I was wrong. He did a good job as the nickel he was brought in to be.

It\'s really easy for you to say this now, but it certainly isn\'t even close to the sunshine being sold on this board this time last year.
So some of us accentuated the positives while some of you accentuated the negatives. Our moves weren’t as bad as some said as well as not as good as some hoped. Thats what boards are for.
Do you want to dispute that or should I go look up quotes?
Look away!!! For every positive comment you dig up I’m sure there are just as many negatives you’ll ignore.

Coaching is the problem (in our case that includes talent evaluation and team direction
But I thought you agreed this team was too talented to finish 8-8?

Who do you think is responsible for the fact that the D-line has gone from small, agile and attacking, to fat and slow, and back again?
The GM, and apparently the D-line coach as well as the head coach and defensive coordinator.

This team needed a starting, impact LB last season. They didn\'t get it. They needed one this year. They haven\'t shown interest yet.
You have no idea who they’ve talked to. They may have Vilma in their sights as we speak. We don’t know. There are 4 or 5 MLB in this draft I’d be happy with.
Hodge was supposed to have a break-out year and missed 10 weeks with injury. If we signed Arrington and he got hurt game two, would you claim it was the FO’s fault?

They needed a stud corner last season. They need one this season. Still nothing.
CB wasn’t even close to our main problems this past year. Unless you want to count the games we had half our starting defense in street clothes. Yea, that’s fair.
But I\'ll agree that it was disappointing that Craver didn\'t step up like most of us thought he would. Ditto Hawthorne and Carter.

GO ahead and tell me about injuries.

Second most injuries in NFL h istory. Gee ya think that may sway 2 or 3 games toward the loss column? Call me whacky but I’ve only seen one team overcome adversity like that, and they happen to have one of the best coaches to step foot on a field.

You act as if there\'s nothing to even be concerned about.
Oh theres plenty to be concerned about. But you’ll ignore it when we post it.

so when they end up 8-8 and out of the playoffs for the fourth year in a row I guess you\'ll be telling me why Haslett and Company will get it right NEXT YEAR

He won’t be here if we go 8-8 again. So I guess you\'ll be pulling for an 8-8 season again?

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I predicted 5-11, so I was pleasantly surprised!

i think injuries and the coaching was our main problem last year. I was all on the Brooks bandwagon last year, but this year I am beginning to not like him at QB, can he play fullback?


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Saintfan-
You, sir, are making broad assumptions, which is pretty predictable from a totalitarian :P
Seriously, this is getting good, keep it coming while I go grab some popcorn.

[Edited on 18/3/2004 by BlackandBlue]

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You accuse ME of \"broad assumptions\"? Really? Me? Amazing. Which assumption do you consider broad, exactly? And careful, cause I\'m lible to accuse you of the same! ;)

[Edited on 18/3/2004 by saintfan]

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Good lord, man, this is a \"message board\", a place where we come to talk Saints football and make opinions. EVERYONE is guilty of making \"broad assumptions\", here, that\'s the nature of the beast. I have no faith in our coaching staff- that\'s pretty broad given the number of coaches there are on the payroll.
No difference between mine or yours, they are both assumptions, mine is just a bit more broad. Yours is still rather broad, since you slap anyone that doesn\'t agree with your point of view the \"Redskins Fan\" tag.

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Frankly I don\'t see either of those as \"broad\" statements, but I do wonder why, since this is a \"message board, a place where we come to talke Saints football and make opinions. EVERYONE is guilty of making \"broad assumptions...\"\", you\'d single me out ???

Since we all appear to be guilty of it, why single out one (or two) of my comments?

I really don\'t see either of those quotes as \"broad statements\". Whodat will tell you he doesn\'t like Haz if he\'s being honest that day. The FACT that some mock Jim\'s EVERY move wouldn\'t be difficult to prove.

What\'s broad about the Parcells quote?

Finally, I don\'t slap \"everyone\" that disagrees with me with the \"Redskins Fan\" tag...only those who seem to prefer that style of management. IE: Lets spend as much as possible on players who may or may not be worth it. Lets trade what we have to move up foolishly in the draft...lets sacrifice all for one, unproven player. Let\'s over extend ourselves and sign evey \"name\" guy we can so we can put butts in the seats and finish out of the playoffs...

See what I mean? ;)

[Edited on 18/3/2004 by saintfan]

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I never make \"broad assumptions\". :P

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Man, you are way too highstrung, hell I\'d buy you a prostitute, if I knew where you lived. Remind me not to joke with you anymore.

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That was an entertaining read! Danno dominated that debate though.

As far as \"broad assumptions\" go though, I try to avoid them. I find assuming anything about women usually gets you in trouble.

Hahaha get it?? BROADS?! :P


..... Sorry.