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voodooido 01-14-2012 08:42 PM

2 years on a row.....
 
Our safeties get abused 2 years in a row. I know that the defense played well until the last two drives. Even then it was the safeties that cost the game. How can it be fixed? Is it lack of pressure? Poor LB corp? My thought is it may be GW's game plan. IDK but something has to give. The best team 3 years straight but lose to inferior teams.One way or another GW needs to go......

G504 01-14-2012 08:49 PM

I think GW's game plan relies on us actually getting the sack or batted ball.

And yeah, second year in a row, but this is the first time we actually made the playoffs 3 years in a row. So if we can establish ourselves like a New England - year in and year out, the unchanllengable champ of the division, and we just outright expect to make the playoffs - then more Superbowls will come.

Captain Catfish 01-14-2012 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by G504 (Post 369623)
I think GW's game plan relies on us actually getting the sack or batted ball.

And yeah, second year in a row, but this is the first time we actually made the playoffs 3 years in a row. So if we can establish ourselves like a New England - year in and year out, the unchanllengable champ of the division, and we just outright expect to make the playoffs - then more Superbowls will come.

Not with Williams calling the defense. He really does not know more than the average fan, I am afraid.

Budsdrinker 01-14-2012 08:55 PM

we need to fine dlinemen that can pressure so we don't have to rely on the blitz

G504 01-14-2012 09:00 PM

In 09, we lived off take-aways. That is the biggest difference. Our secondary needs to report to camp with the WRs until they learn how to freakin' catch! We dropped two picks today. One was right in our laps! And we let them recover two of their own fumbles. We not flying to the ball.

LBCutta 01-14-2012 09:11 PM

GET RID OF GREG WILLIAMS!!!!!!! NOW!

|Mitch| 01-14-2012 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by G504 (Post 369641)
In 09, we lived off take-aways. That is the biggest difference. Our secondary needs to report to camp with the WRs until they learn how to freakin' catch! We dropped two picks today. One was right in our laps! And we let them recover two of their own fumbles. We not flying to the ball.

In '09 we had a secondary coach; he is now the Broncos defensive coordinator

TheFaithful 01-14-2012 09:13 PM

Send him to the Rams with Fisher. As i hear it, that's where he is going anyway.

gandhi1007 01-14-2012 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 369668)
In '09 we had a secondary coach; he is now the Broncos defensive coordinator

Hmmmm........that defense has played well all year. Again......hmmmm........

G504 01-14-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 369668)
In '09 we had a secondary coach; he is now the Broncos defensive coordinator

And that would be it, in a nutshell.

Also think the personnel wasn't right. We should have resigned Sharper. Loomis playing too much Moneyball (just saw that movie, so it's on my mind). True, Colston, PT, Ivory, and Brees were excellent examples of finding players nobody else wanted, but at some point, we gotta open up the checkbook.

Deuce, Horn, and Sharper. Three times we cut the emotional leader of the team. Sometimes heart is more important than ability. No WAY Sharper gets beat deep twice by a tight end! I don't care if he was in a wheel chair. He would NOT have let that happen!

CharityMike 01-14-2012 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by G504 (Post 369641)
In 09, we lived off take-aways. That is the biggest difference. Our secondary needs to report to camp with the WRs until they learn how to freakin' catch! We dropped two picks today. One was right in our laps! And we let them recover two of their own fumbles. We not flying to the ball.

I firmly believe it's because they are not even looking for the ball. Look at that dropped pick by Robinson today..he had no clue the ball was there till it was popping out of his arms. The scheme now is crap. The players are to worried about where they should be that fundamentals have gone out the window.

G504 01-14-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 369712)
I firmly believe it's because they are not even looking for the ball. Look at that dropped pick by Robinson today..he had no clue the ball was there till it was popping out of his arms. The scheme now is crap. The players are to worried about where they should be that fundamentals have gone out the window.

Yeah, and maybe getting rid of GW will be the ignition the D needs. Hopefully they'll feel the need to prove themselves to a new coordinator. Just hope the new guy comes in and rips up the depth chart first day of camp and announces "ALL starting positions are an open competition."

gandhi1007 01-14-2012 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by G504 (Post 369721)
Just hope the new guy comes in and rips up the depth chart first day of camp and announces "ALL starting positions are an open competition."

AMEN!!! There would be alot of worried faces on the front seven.

WhoDat!656 01-14-2012 09:39 PM

Deuce and Sharper weren't brought back because of injury.

Horn pissed SP off?; plus he was injuried before '06 playoffs.

G504 01-14-2012 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 369725)
Deuce and Sharper weren't brought back because of injury.

Horn pissed SP off?; plus he was injuried before '06 playoffs.

Yeah, but we also signed Brees, Vilma, and Sharper himself after their respective teams lost faith after big injuries. So you would think we'd know big time players can have a 2nd life after a season ending injury.

halloween 65 01-14-2012 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 369668)
In '09 we had a secondary coach; he is now the Broncos defensive coordinator

I agree.

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-14-2012 10:40 PM

I'm sure you guys know more about football than I do. But, I will risk putting my two cents in.

With all the heat, GW relies heavily on the secondary. If the secondary has a bad day...we are exposed. We aren't getting enough pressure up front. Today, he played man, when zone probably would have been a better choice. That said, obviously, our D kept us in this game. After, a zillion turnovers in the first quarter, if it hadn't been for our D, the ship would have been sunk mid-3rd quarter.

The O-line caved in the 4th quarter. I also didn't like the play calling in the 2nd overall. But, because the O-line was caving in the 4th, I'm not sure what would have worked better.

Special teams turned the ball over and wasn't able to gain substantial yardage most of the season. (Although, the P. Robinson blocked field goal against Atlanta was very special.)

If we are going to critique, there's lots of stuff to look at on all sides of the ball to me.

westbankdaze 01-14-2012 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT (Post 369771)
I'm sure you guys know more about football than I do. But, I will risk putting my two cents in.

With all the heat, GW relies heavily on the secondary. If the secondary has a bad day...we are exposed. We aren't getting enough pressure up front. Today, he played man, when zone probably would have been a better choice. That said, obviously, our D kept us in this game. After, a zillion turnovers in the first quarter, if it hadn't been for our D, the ship would have been sunk mid-3rd quarter.

The O-line caved in the 4th quarter. I also didn't like the play calling in the 2nd overall. But, because the O-line was caving in the 4th, I'm not sure what would have worked better.

Special teams turned the ball over and wasn't able to gain substantial yardage most of the season. (Although, the P. Robinson blocked field goal against Atlanta was very special.)

If we are going to critique, there's lots of stuff to look at on all sides of the ball to me.

Think about it another way. After Sproles scored his TD we were ahead with 4 min left in the game. You can basically erase everything that happened before that in the game. We were up a score and just needed our defense to just keep doing what they had been doing all game long. What the heck changed on the 49ers last two drives? How do we let smith go 165 yards and two TDs in less than a few minutes???? We had him contained the whole game and then just let him gut is? Alex freaking smith - I mean really???

CharityMike 01-14-2012 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by westbankdaze (Post 369777)
Think about it another way. After Sproles scored his TD we were ahead with 4 min left in the game. You can basically erase everything that happened before that in the game. We were up a score and just needed our defense to just keep doing what they had been doing all game long. What the heck changed on the 49ers last two drives? How do we let smith go 165 yards and two TDs in less than a few minutes???? We had him contained the whole game and then just let him gut is? Alex freaking smith - I mean really???

This is what hurts the most.

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-14-2012 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by westbankdaze (Post 369777)
Think about it another way. After Sproles scored his TD we were ahead with 4 min left in the game. You can basically erase everything that happened before that in the game. We were up a score and just needed our defense to just keep doing what they had been doing all game long. What the heck changed on the 49ers last two drives? How do we let smith go 165 yards and two TDs in less than a few minutes???? We had him contained the whole game and then just let him gut is? Alex freaking smith - I mean really???

Not gonna argue, WestBank. I was shocked at the way our defense played in the last 4 minutes and especially in the last 1:47. I was wondering why we didn't do better clock management on offense in the last drive - but I'm sure no one knew Graham would break that one.

I'm just trying to look at the game and our performance from an entire game / season point-of-view. We can come back from a large point deficit and we did today. But, now, I just think we need to look at specific areas that did not work today -- for the future.

This, to me was an amazing season. We won the division. We beat the f*ckin Falcons TWICE. And, we're 13-3. Do I want another SuperBowl? You bet your a$$ I do! But, I also just want to acknowledge what we accomplished this year and look at what we can fix next year. This was disappointing to me, but not crushing. It's a game and I enjoyed the whole season.

voodooido 01-14-2012 11:33 PM

And thats my point! Only Davis was playing well against us so why put him against a safety. Why push the blitz when we know they have no choice but to throw deep? Throw it up, one on one, 6'6 TE vs 6'0 FS. Brees has been doing this all year! Has GW watched our offense at all?????!!!!???

Haps Biggest Fan 01-15-2012 12:52 AM

I guess that the D was tired during the last minutes of the game.

I just don't know what else to think.

Belair57 01-15-2012 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 369632)
we need to fine dlinemen that can pressure so we don't have to rely on the blitz

the biggest issue on D if you ask me, I think it killed us all year.NO PUSH, NO PRESSURE..bring 7 against 5 and still no pressure. WTF

Haps Biggest Fan 01-17-2012 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 369632)
we need to fine dlinemen that can pressure so we don't have to rely on the blitz

I agree with this !!


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