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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; When they were going through the starters and got to our LBs my stomach turned. Shanle, Vilma and Dunbar. Really? The same ineffective group as last year. I like all of those guys but that has to be the bottom ...

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Old 01-15-2012, 01:19 PM   #41
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When they were going through the starters and got to our LBs my stomach turned. Shanle, Vilma and Dunbar. Really? The same ineffective group as last year. I like all of those guys but that has to be the bottom of the totem pole for a starting LB line up in the league.

I especially hate saying that about Vilma. He's one of my favorites Saints but the man just can't do it physically anymore and his knee is only going to get worse. Like some one else said, Dunbar should be the new MLB. He's very good at that position but is just a plain bad OLB. i think he could be a Pro-Bowler playing the Mike. And Shanle is just done.

Porter is worth keeping if he's is made a nickle CB. Robinson definitely out played him.

And to get off subject just a little bit, I don't understand why our young prospects on defense can't seem to get on the field like they do on offense. Is it Gregg Williams or are they just not any good?
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:20 PM   #42
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Agreed this kid can play either SLB or WLB. I hope he can improve enough to start next year and the saints add something to the opposite side. 6'4' WLB is hard to find. A SLB with his speed is hard to find.
And don't forget, he was the #1 rated MLB in the draft.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:20 PM   #43
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Agreed, but I'd add DT to the mix, especially since Franklin and Rogers were both 1-year deals.

That leaves us Sed Ellis and Tom Johnson. Good backups but not much more.
lets see who we can keep. i agree youth is needed.

But i have to defend him a bit here. That whole side of the defense has been out of whack all season.

Ellis
Smith
Shanle

I like what i saw out of Jordan. he needs to stop worrying about flags and just level the QB. Rookie hesitation hurt his play.

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Old 01-15-2012, 01:56 PM   #44
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And don't forget, he was the #1 rated MLB in the draft.
That is his natural position and his size, weight, and speed makes him perfect. I'm tired of the light weight lb's, I want some heavier thumpers with speed.
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Old 01-15-2012, 02:02 PM   #45
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Im glad greg williams is leaving. he teaches turnovers and not basics and gives up too many big plays. he's a me first dude and his own ego costed us another superbowl. he constantly gets out coached and loses in the ultimate chess match. HIS TIME HAS COME.......
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Old 01-15-2012, 02:11 PM   #46
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Anybody else notice the game #50 had for the Pats last night. Ultimately we got nothing for him.
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:26 PM   #47
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Anybody else notice the game #50 had for the Pats last night. Ultimately we got nothing for him.
He's been one of their only playmakers on defense all year. Good call, GW.
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Old 01-15-2012, 07:06 PM   #48
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I wouldn't stop with the Defensive Coordinator...

Whoever or however the evaluation process on talent and drafting the first and second round picks needs to be - corrected; something is terribly wrong...

Think it's long overdue to blow this Defense up and start over...

Everything will need to be on the table...

But looking at what is coming up and where we are...there are going to be some gone pecans...
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Old 01-15-2012, 09:34 PM   #49
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And to get off subject just a little bit, I don't understand why our young prospects on defense can't seem to get on the field like they do on offense. Is it Gregg Williams or are they just not any good?
I firmly believe its GW. I have always thought that they put more credence in the years played and it was validated with the whole Kreutz ordeal. Hopefully we will have a new look on D next year and not just when we get off the bus.
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Old 01-16-2012, 01:52 AM   #50
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As much as you guys sit here and play GM and bash Shanle every game, maybe you guys need to apply for the position of DC when it comes open. Alright I'll agree Shanle has slowed down, he's not the same LB he once was, but he is a good leader.

Your probably right he might make a good back up, unfortunately you guys all want to have your cake and eat it too. There might be an upgrade for Shanle out there, but we either can't afford it or when they come in here the coaches don't think they are all that great. Just watch, this year they will draft an OLB, Shanle will give him a run, this might finally be the year is overtaken who knows.

BUT YOU HAVE TO ADMIT, THAT LAST PLAY WASN'T AS MUCH SHANLES FAULT AS IT WAS THAT DUMBASS Greg Williams and Roman Harper. Why the hell would you put the LBs in zone coverage that close to the goal line when Vernon Davis the Tight End is out having a career day? Roman should have been there to pick up too. Stupid play, but the turnovers hurt worse.
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