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Old 01-16-2012, 10:54 AM   #61
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SCOTT MUTHERF*&KING SHANLE AND JORDAN. JORDAN HASN'T DONE S*&T ALL YEAR FOR A FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK. I THING THE SAINTS WASTED TWO PICK BECAUSE IVORY RUNS BETTER THAN INGRAM. I KNOW THESE GUYS JORDAN AND INGRAM ARE YOUNG BUT THEY DIDN'T SHOW ME NOTHING.
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Old 01-16-2012, 10:58 AM   #62
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Originally Posted by Luda34 View Post
SCOTT MUTHERF*&KING SHANLE AND JORDAN. JORDAN HASN'T DONE S*&T ALL YEAR FOR A FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK. I THING THE SAINTS WASTED TWO PICK BECAUSE IVORY RUNS BETTER THAN INGRAM. I KNOW THESE GUYS JORDAN AND INGRAM ARE YOUNG BUT THEY DIDN'T SHOW ME NOTHING.
LOL...no need to get hostile. We just shootin the chit. MOST of us know Shanle is toast but I am not gonna bail out on Ingram just yet. IMO the only reason Ivory was even here this year was because we are not paying him squat. I think Ingram can fill the Ivory role if we just give him more than a rookie season.

As far as Jordan, c'mon get real! It's his rookie year in a crazy man's scheme. He isn't on the field every snap. When he is in, especially as of late, he is making plays. Give him a chance.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:08 AM   #63
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@CharityMike @Danno, do you know what a zone defense is? He was totally playing zone and when Davis got past him, he was suppose to be picked up by Roman Harper, Harper was playing out of position. Still the biggest error was on GW, why play zone in the redzone on the most crucial part of the game when Vernon Davis has been killing you all day?
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@CharityMike @Danno, do you know what a zone defense is? He was totally playing zone and when Davis got past him, he was suppose to be picked up by Roman Harper, Harper was playing out of position. Still the biggest error was on GW, why play zone in the redzone on the most crucial part of the game when Vernon Davis has been killing you all day?
Zone? Naw, never heard of it.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:38 AM   #65
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Don't think Hightower will be on the board when we pick.
It will be cutting it close, but I heard Kiper say the other day that he saw him going in the second or third round. That puts us in the hunt.

And guys, lay off Bushrod. He made the Pro bowl and we have him for very little in terms of LT money. I know the reason he's getting trashed is because Justin Smith, one of the best d-linemen in the league, abused him on a bull rush you want him gone. Some of you guys have memories that are just too short. He had a good season and is a good player. Same goes for Jenkins, Harper, and Robinson. Anyone we bring in, considering our cap situation, will be a downgrade.
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It will be cutting it close, but I heard Kiper say the other day that he saw him going in the second or third round. That puts us in the hunt.

And guys, lay off Bushrod. He made the Pro bowl and we have him for very little in terms of LT money. I know the reason he's getting trashed is because Justin Smith, one of the best d-linemen in the league, abused him on a bull rush you want him gone. Some of you guys have memories that are just too short. He had a good season and is a good player. Same goes for Jenkins, Harper, and Robinson. Anyone we bring in, considering our cap situation, will be a downgrade.
Agreed. Scott and GW would be my choice on exits. Bushrod should of got ALOT more help then what he did. Made no sense why there was so little chipping before leaving the backfield by our rbs
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Zone? Naw, never heard of it.
LMAO..yeah me too.

Stupid us for thinking he is standing at the 10 yard line and just stands there flat footed watching the play happen. Guess we are just to dumb to think that Vernon Davis was there entire passing game all day and that maybe chances are they are going to try to get him the ball.

Also..look at Vilma after the catch. Look at the video again. Who is he staring at in disbelief?
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:12 PM   #68
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I WANT 2 DT"s TO PUSH THE MIDDLE, CRASHING THE POCKET, ALLOWING THE DE's TO TURN THE CORNER AND SACK THE QB. OR BLITZ A LINEBACKER . MAN, I WANT MISTER COBBLES AND 1 MORE BAD A$$ DT, YES CAP LOCK IS ON.
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Greg Williams first. Then Shanle and probably Vilma. Was it Shanle who didn't even get his hands up on the game winning TD? Need to draft D-line upgrade.
good call mardigras.
i was saying that if shanle wonders to the qbs eyes like they are coached he could have possibly knocked down that ball or even picked off that common lob to davis. its something to consider. is it our players or the way g.w. warbled there talent, like jenkins who has regressed. they say start at the top and that saying is well warranted.
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And guys, lay off Bushrod. He made the Pro bowl and we have him for very little in terms of LT money. I know the reason he's getting trashed is because Justin Smith, one of the best d-linemen in the league, abused him on a bull rush you want him gone. Some of you guys have memories that are just too short. He had a good season and is a good player.
You are aware that Bushrod is the highest payed O-linemen in the Saints in 2012? He is making more than f.e. Evans, who is considered one of the best guards in the league -> Evans 2012 = ~4.7M vs. Bushrod 2012 = ~6.25M.

In terms of players I wouldn't mind seeing the Saints let go are, and I'm looking at them from the value standpoint as in salary vs performance:

Smith: just like it has been mentioned already he is making too much money for the performances he has put in, but if he is willing to restructure his contract he might be very good value. Also, the emergence of Gallette this year and being optimistic about Romeus stepping up next season - the Saints might have a good group of young versatile DTs with Jordan, Gallette, Romeus & maybe a draft pick (also Charleston is a good value back-up).

Vilma: I really like him as an individual, player and as a leader on the field, but it seems that he has struck a wall with his physical endurance... and while I understand the issues with his knees this past season - who's to say it'll get any better in the future? I would've liked the Saints to have gone after Paul Posluszny last FA period, because he would be what I think the Saints need as a MLB with almost the same salary as Vilma (6.6M vs 7M). Otherwise, the LB group isn't as bad as it could be - Wilson , Dunbar, Casillas, Humber and Bussey are all young promising LBs, who could blossom under the right DC f.e. Spags or Del Rio , both with LB coach backgrounds.

Shanle: I mean he wouldn't be unacceptable as a back-up, but with a 2M contract I think it would be financially better to get rid of him for picks if possible.

Ellis: I have been defending him on many threads during this past season, but I think the time has come to see him leave the black & gold. He'll be making over 6M next season after which he becomes an UFA, so if some team would be willing to make a trade for him it might be a good time to pull the trigger. But, if he would be willing to restructure his contract like Smith, he might be good value in the DT rotation. Also, maybe Mitch "Mama's Boy" King can step up to the next level this coming season along with my personal favorite Tom Johnson making Ellis even more expendable.

Rogers: didn't get things going the whole season long, and when looking at his career stats - he has only had a couple of really good seasons and all of those were during contract years, and that alone tells me this guy has a problem with his attitude towards competitiveness. Now this is no surprise and was something what we debated about during the pre-season, but I guess the thinking was that GW would be able to whip him into a beast in NO... unfortunately that never materialized. I would much rather see Franklin signed to a new contract and after the lackluster season he had - he might be willing to sign for about 2M/year, and with that price tag he'd be good value in the DT rotation.

Meachem: I think that RM is a good WR and if he'd be willing to sign for about the same as he made this season (1.5-2.5M/year) I'd like to see the Saints sign him and maybe trade away Henderson, who only has 1 more year left in his contract for 3.5M. Although, I doubt Meachem will want to sign for that "little" money in which case he becomes an unnecessary signing for the Saints. Depending on how much Colston wants to stay in NO, I think he would be a "no brainer" as a signing. If he wants about the same as f.e. Roddy White with 6.5M/year, I think the Saints should sign him, but if he wants Top 5 WR money then the Saints should let him go after that money on the FA market.

Porter & Greer: I'm not saying both of them are expendable or even that it would be wise to let both of them go, but there are some issues with both of them. Porter is an UFA, so his price tag might be too much to make his re-signing a viable option in regards to what he brings to the field if this season is anything to go by. I'd like for the Saints to keep Greer, but he is another player entering his last season before becoming an UFA and he will be making around 6M in 2012, so this might be the last chance to get something in return for him in a trade. Robinson is someone who the Saints should definitely keep, because he will only become better and has improved steadily, which makes me wonder why some of you want him gone?!

Of course it'll all depend a lot on what the new DC will want do with the Saints' defense and, therefore, there might be some surprises in store for all us when it comes to the Saints' roster for the 2012 season.
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