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G504 01-15-2012 03:52 AM

A couple names for late round picks
 
Since nobody's thrown some names out yet, I'll put in a bid from a few of my fellow alumnus. Now, this comes with the two caveats: one, that I don't watch a lot college football to scout for the Saints (they don't pay me enough to do that ;-) ), I only watch my own alma maters, Virginia Tech and Arizona State. So I'm not saying these are the best two players out there, but they're good players and they'll probably be around after the 2nd round. Caveat two, it's 4:30 in the morning and I can't sleep, so maybe I'm not thinking right.

Jayron Hosely of Virginia Tech: 9 interceptions a year ago. Only 3 this year, but I don't think he's taken a step back, it's just that Georgia Tech, UNC, and East Carolina (not in our conference, but we seem to play them every year) hardly threw it this year. It seems our whole conference fell in love with the triple-option. But still had 33 tackles and 2 forced fumbles this year. And because Tech horribly underperformed, he'll probably still be on the board in the 3rd or even 4th.

Vontaze Burfict of Arizona State: Now, hear me out on this one. Don't just go by what the media says. 69 tackles, 7 for a loss (4 for a loss of 15 or more), 3 sacks. Only 1 pick, but he flies to the ball. Now, the knock on him is his attitude. He gets flagged for unsportsman like just for not saying "bless you" when someone sneezes. I've seen almost every game, and honestly, at least a third if not half of his flags were complete "let's clean up the sport" BS! Either the hit was like a second after the whistle or a toe out of bounds, or both guys were going at it and he gets the flag. But we also had an over-the-hill coach that been stopped giving a dang. I think Payton can get him to behave. However, because of his rep, teams out of fear that another Suh or Harrison will hurt more than help the team (especially image-wise for teams more desperate to fill seats than win games), I think everyone will pass on him. I saw one projection that said Steelers take him in the 2nd, but I think he'll fall all the way to 4th or 5th, unless he has the world's slickest talking agent. If he falls that far, I say take him.

WVSaint 01-15-2012 10:13 AM

bruce irvin, WVU

CharityMike 01-15-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G504 (Post 369868)
Since nobody's thrown some names out yet, I'll put in a bid from a few of my fellow alumnus. Now, this comes with the two caveats: one, that I don't watch a lot college football to scout for the Saints (they don't pay me enough to do that ;-) ), I only watch my own alma maters, Virginia Tech and Arizona State. So I'm not saying these are the best two players out there, but they're good players and they'll probably be around after the 2nd round. Caveat two, it's 4:30 in the morning and I can't sleep, so maybe I'm not thinking right.

Jayron Hosely of Virginia Tech: 9 interceptions a year ago. Only 3 this year, but I don't think he's taken a step back, it's just that Georgia Tech, UNC, and East Carolina (not in our conference, but we seem to play them every year) hardly threw it this year. It seems our whole conference fell in love with the triple-option. But still had 33 tackles and 2 forced fumbles this year. And because Tech horribly underperformed, he'll probably still be on the board in the 3rd or even 4th.

Vontaze Burfict of Arizona State: Now, hear me out on this one. Don't just go by what the media says. 69 tackles, 7 for a loss (4 for a loss of 15 or more), 3 sacks. Only 1 pick, but he flies to the ball. Now, the knock on him is his attitude. He gets flagged for unsportsman like just for not saying "bless you" when someone sneezes. I've seen almost every game, and honestly, at least a third if not half of his flags were complete "let's clean up the sport" BS! Either the hit was like a second after the whistle or a toe out of bounds, or both guys were going at it and he gets the flag. But we also had an over-the-hill coach that been stopped giving a dang. I think Payton can get him to behave. However, because of his rep, teams out of fear that another Suh or Harrison will hurt more than help the team (especially image-wise for teams more desperate to fill seats than win games), I think everyone will pass on him. I saw one projection that said Steelers take him in the 2nd, but I think he'll fall all the way to 4th or 5th, unless he has the world's slickest talking agent. If he falls that far, I say take him.

Well you know what, I would like a "Suh" like attitude player right now. We are not a team trying to fill seats. We need some damn passion and aggression. Most are calling us dirty now anyway, so lets strike while the iron is hot.

Danno 01-15-2012 01:14 PM

draft talk is meaningless untill after free-agency starts.

We always address holes in free agency then draft BPA.

halloween 65 01-15-2012 02:06 PM

I want 2 bad a$$ DT's , that will make things so much easier.

W. Kovacs 01-15-2012 02:41 PM

G504,

I'm a Virginia Tech Alum as well! Class of 2000, when were you there?

I agree, I think Hosley would be a good get for us; especially since, like you say, he'll probably be there late in the draft as The Hokies (sort of rightfully) probably won't get much respect by scouts...

I'd also think Danny Coale might be good for us. He's not a huge name but he is a good, fairly large receiver but is also pretty versatile; he can return kicks and even punt! I could see him being used in special packages and "trick" plays...

gandhi1007 01-15-2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 370125)
I want 2 bad a$$ DT's , that will make things so much easier.

I would prefer 2 bad a$$ DE's that can actually get to the quarterback. :-(

SapperSaint 01-15-2012 06:01 PM

I want Linebackers that can sack the QB. You know, one of the things LB's are known for.?.?.?

CharityMike 01-15-2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 370240)
I want Linebackers that can sack the QB. You know, one of the things LB's are known for.?.?.?

Trues but you need some line talent to make the lanes for them to do that.

mikesaintfan 01-16-2012 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 370240)
I want Linebackers that can sack the QB. You know, one of the things LB's are known for.?.?.?

we used to have some GREAT ONES...hmm what were those names again? lol

G504 01-16-2012 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 370092)
Well you know what, I would like a "Suh" like attitude player right now. We are not a team trying to fill seats. We need some damn passion and aggression. Most are calling us dirty now anyway, so lets strike while the iron is hot.

Yeah, and we owe San Fran a "remember me" shot!

G504 01-16-2012 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by W. Kovacs (Post 370137)
G504,

I'm a Virginia Tech Alum as well! Class of 2000, when were you there?

I agree, I think Hosley would be a good get for us; especially since, like you say, he'll probably be there late in the draft as The Hokies (sort of rightfully) probably won't get much respect by scouts...

I'd also think Danny Coale might be good for us. He's not a huge name but he is a good, fairly large receiver but is also pretty versatile; he can return kicks and even punt! I could see him being used in special packages and "trick" plays...

Grad school, 2007. I like Coale too, but honestly, he's too small. I'd say take him in the 7th or sign him as a free agent, but I don't think he'll get drafted. I hope so, though. Being robbed of a Sugar Bowl winning touchdown by some dumb azz ref is an awful way to end a career. But he seems like the kind of guy Brees would like.

W. Kovacs 01-16-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G504 (Post 370436)
Grad school, 2007. I like Coale too, but honestly, he's too small. I'd say take him in the 7th or sign him as a free agent, but I don't think he'll get drafted. I hope so, though. Being robbed of a Sugar Bowl winning touchdown by some dumb azz ref is an awful way to end a career. But he seems like the kind of guy Brees would like.

Yeah, he's small but so are Sproles and Wes Welker. I don't see him as a number 1 receiver by any means but a solid return guy (so we don't have to keep putting Sproles back there) and a role-player...as a back-up and maybe in the slot when needed (especially if we wind up losing one of our current WRs with upcoming cap issues)? And I definitely see him and Brees having a good rapport.

The Sugar Bowl still makes me want to cry a little. I only care about two teams: The Saints and The Hokies. I don't watch basketball, baseball, hockey, any of that stuff. To have both of my teams end their seasons the way they did...it sucks. I can't think of a better word for it.

CharityMike 01-16-2012 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W. Kovacs (Post 370636)
Yeah, he's small but so are Sproles and Wes Welker. I don't see him as a number 1 receiver by any means but a solid return guy (so we don't have to keep putting Sproles back there) and a role-player...as a back-up and maybe in the slot when needed (especially if we wind up losing one of our current WRs with upcoming cap issues)? And I definitely see him and Brees having a good rapport.

The Sugar Bowl still makes me want to cry a little. I only care about two teams: The Saints and The Hokies. I don't watch basketball, baseball, hockey, any of that stuff. To have both of my teams end their seasons the way they did...it sucks. I can't think of a better word for it.

Welcome to the flippin club. Just change colleges and we are in the same boat.

saintsfan1976 01-16-2012 06:31 PM

Speedy edge-rusher, please.

gandhi1007 01-16-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 370647)
Speedy edge-rusher, please.

What he said!

hagan714 01-16-2012 06:49 PM

http://blackandgold.com/blogs/hagan7...wish-list.html

Round 2 - OLB


Round 2 - OLB

Travis Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
Height: 6-2. Weight: 232.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50

Can play either SLB or WLB

Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU maybe? I am torn on this pick

Round 3 - DT/DE

Derek Wolfe, DE/DT, Cincinnati
Height: 6-5. Weight: 302.
Projected 40 Time: 4.92

Flexibility to play either a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense.


Round 4 - DE to groom

Jake Bequette, DE, Arkansas
Height: 6-4. Weight: 271.
Projected 40 Time: 4.62

Potiental for improvement is there. Converted TE is a plus

Round 5 - Massive RT/OG

Alex Hurst, OT, LSU
Height: 6-6. Weight: 340.
Projected 40 Time: 5.19

Want to get the running game to improve. this would be a steal in round 5

Round 6a. Washington → New Orleans (PD) - OLB

Dexter Heyman OLB, Louisville
Height: 6-3. Weight:238.
Projected 40 Time: 4.57

Athletic linebacker that flashes skill making plays sideline to sideline. Talk about a talented project. wish i could find more tape on him. Well worth the 6th round pick to develop. Instant hit on special teams.


6b - Blocking TE

Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
Height: 6-6. Weight: 270.
Projected 40 Time: 4.77

I really would be shocked if he is here in the sixth, He has better hands than most would think. A bulldozer of TE. I really want this player! Saints get one of the best traditional TE in recent drafts. I see his stock sky rocketing with combines and pro day work outs.


Round 7 - Developmental Center

Scott Wedige, C, Northern Illinois
Height: 6-4. Weight: 314.
Projected 40 Time: 5.18

I have watched the kid play a couple of times. I would love to see him there in the seventh but i believe he will go earlier but for now i have to go with pre draft rankings. Most do not mention him.

Undetermined Pick:

Miami → New Orleans (PD). Miami traded an undisclosed selection to New Orleans for running back Reggie Bush.

The players I would love the saints to make a move on?

Cam Johnson DE, Virgina

no we have talked about a few others in the blog. some good names have been thrown around

buckblaster1 01-16-2012 07:48 PM

yeah, it would be nice to see a line backer or de make a sack instead of our strong saftey so he could stay in the secondary helping with pass coverage to keep us from getting burnt so much on these long passes.

saintsfan1976 01-16-2012 07:59 PM

Welcome back Hagan.

Rugby Saint II 01-16-2012 08:51 PM

Great to have the info.....thanks.

mighty12 01-17-2012 06:27 AM

I think the talk of a DE should be put on hold. The steal of last years draft will be ready to go after coming off of IR. Greg Romeus from Pitt should have been a first rounder, but his injury was just too much to give a high pick for. He is going to be healthy and hungry in 2012. Also, Martez Wilson showed improvement on the outside. I am leaning more towards an actual cover corner and a big DT so that we don't have to pay both Rogers and Franklin.

W. Kovacs 01-17-2012 08:35 AM

LOVE the ideas from this article: Time to look for Brees' heir apparent? - NFC South Blog - ESPN

Kellen Moore? Yes, please, especially after he gets to sit behind Drew for 3-4 years, learning how to 1) Play the position at a pro-level and, maybe more importantly, 2) be a leader both on and off the field.

I know our biggest needs are on defense but Moore seems like a guy that would fit SO well into our system whenever Drew is ready to ride off into the sunset (hopefully not for a few years, at least). It seems like an opportunity too good to pass up.

CharityMike 01-17-2012 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by W. Kovacs (Post 370808)
LOVE the ideas from this article: Time to look for Brees' heir apparent? - NFC South Blog - ESPN

Kellen Moore? Yes, please, especially after he gets to sit behind Drew for 3-4 years, learning how to 1) Play the position at a pro-level and, maybe more importantly, 2) be a leader both on and off the field.

I know our biggest needs are on defense but Moore seems like a guy that would fit SO well into our system whenever Drew is ready to ride off into the sunset (hopefully not for a few years, at least). It seems like an opportunity too good to pass up.

Sorry bro and please don't take what I am about to say personally. This is exactly why Pat still has a job. How can anybody consistantly come up with such bs to talk about and have people agree?

This is the LAST thing we need to worry about now. It shouldn't even be a thought. Chase has been here how long? Every time we see him (granted it's preseason) he looks decent. he is no Drew but who is.

If we did what is suggested, the unlikely soul will just take over yo-yo duties on the practice squad.

halloween 65 01-17-2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mighty12 (Post 370782)
I think the talk of a DE should be put on hold. The steal of last years draft will be ready to go after coming off of IR. Greg Romeus from Pitt should have been a first rounder, but his injury was just too much to give a high pick for. He is going to be healthy and hungry in 2012. Also, Martez Wilson showed improvement on the outside. I am leaning more towards an actual cover corner and a big DT so that we don't have to pay both Rogers and Franklin.

I think Romeus is going to be great, I would like 2 DT's, both starters, our DE's will be fine and 1 big lb. not a lightweight. I'm iffy on the secondary, Quaddus should make a good showing this year, Jenkins better get it together. CB's, I could see 1 more but 1 that is proven in free-agency. New DC could make the world of difference in the secondary. Maybe trade Smith, Ellis or Vilma for picks or db..

W. Kovacs 01-17-2012 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 370826)
Sorry bro and please don't take what I am about to say personally.

Ha! Never, Brother. Just don't call me names like "Falcons Fan" or anything and we'll be fine. :)

I still think the guy has a point, though. I honestly don't know much about Daniels. He seems like a very good backup for us right now; but is the team really going to expect Daniels to just sit for, what, 7 - 8 years (by the time Drew Retires) and then become our starter? For how many years? 3? 4? Why? Because he knows the system and looks good in pre-season? You know who else knew his team's system and looked decent in preseason? Curtis Painter.


I'm not saying Moore is a lock to be our future QB even if he's our pick, I'm just saying it's worth thinking about if he's still around when we have our pick; getting a guy as talented as he is, that seems like he would fit our system so well, so low in the draft might not be an opportunity that presents itself again. He could sit for 3-4 years, benefit from having Drew as a mentor and give us 8 years or more as starting QB when his time comes.

CharityMike 01-17-2012 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 370830)
I think Romeus is going to be great, I would like 2 DT's, both starters, our DE's will be fine and 1 big lb. not a lightweight. I'm iffy on the secondary, Quaddus should make a good showing this year, Jenkins better get it together. CB's, I could see 1 more but 1 that is proven in free-agency. New DC could make the world of difference in the secondary. Maybe trade Smith, Ellis or Vilma for picks or db..

Don't forget we also have Johnny Patrick! we have some very good young talent on D. Just need the right person to teach them and LET them play!

halloween 65 01-17-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 370835)
Don't forget we also have Johnny Patrick! we have some very good young talent on D. Just need the right person to teach them and LET them play!

I forgot about him. Thanks!!

SAINTstunna 01-17-2012 12:56 PM

All i know is that we need to upgrade our linebackers and maybe our new defensive coordinator can put something together

FinSaint 01-17-2012 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 370102)
draft talk is meaningless untill after free-agency starts.

We always address holes in free agency then draft BPA.


Exactly! Last year was different because of the work stoppage, but this year teams are going into the draft knowing exactly what holes need to be filled with rookie talent.

BTW, if the Ravens won't pick up Haloti Ngata's 10M option he'll be a UFA and another good reason to get rid of Smith's and Ellis' big salaries. Probably the best DT in NFL and would do wonders for the Saints' pass rush and run defense.

RockyMountainSaint 03-16-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G504 (Post 369868)
Vontaze Burfict of Arizona State: Now, hear me out on this one. Don't just go by what the media says. 69 tackles, 7 for a loss (4 for a loss of 15 or more), 3 sacks. Only 1 pick, but he flies to the ball. Now, the knock on him is his attitude. He gets flagged for unsportsman like just for not saying "bless you" when someone sneezes. I've seen almost every game, and honestly, at least a third if not half of his flags were complete "let's clean up the sport" BS! Either the hit was like a second after the whistle or a toe out of bounds, or both guys were going at it and he gets the flag. But we also had an over-the-hill coach that been stopped giving a dang. I think Payton can get him to behave. However, because of his rep, teams out of fear that another Suh or Harrison will hurt more than help the team (especially image-wise for teams more desperate to fill seats than win games), I think everyone will pass on him. I saw one projection that said Steelers take him in the 2nd, but I think he'll fall all the way to 4th or 5th, unless he has the world's slickest talking agent. If he falls that far, I say take him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...s-pro-day-too/
:p
Sorry. I'm bored.

lsutigerfan 03-16-2012 04:22 PM

2nd round I want LB Travis Lewis or DE/DT Jered Crick

lsutigerfan 03-16-2012 04:27 PM

2nd DE/DT Jered Crick
3rd LB Vontaze Burfict
4TH WR Ryan Broyles

RockyMountainSaint 03-16-2012 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan (Post 388349)
2nd DE/DT Jered Crick
3rd LB Vontaze Burfict
4TH WR Ryan Broyles

I have achieved internet nirvana!

tigerfan, the reason that I revived this thread was to poke a little fun at folks wanting to draft this:Vontaze Burfict bombs his Pro Day, too | ProFootballTalk

lsutigerfan 03-16-2012 05:05 PM

WOW, that's funny!!! Maybe I should rethink who we take in the 3rd. lol

RockyMountainSaint 03-16-2012 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan (Post 388364)
WOW, that's funny!!! Maybe I should rethink who we take in the 3rd. lol

It's the off season dude!

I support two teams.

LSU and whoever beats Alabama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lsutigerfan 03-16-2012 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 388365)
It's the off season dude!

I support two teams.

LSU and whoever beats Alabama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen to that!!!

Danno 03-16-2012 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 388365)
It's the off season dude!

I support two teams.

LSU and whoever beats Alabama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gonna be a lonnnnng season for you bro.;)


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