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saintsfan1976 01-18-2012 07:31 AM

Quick take on Spagnuolo's def scheme
 
Nice observation from a QB who played vs both:

Should division welcome Gregg Williams? - NFC West Blog - ESPN


Williams has become known for coming after opposing quarterbacks with abandon. The Saints sent five or more pass-rushers 51.1 percent of the time in 2011, most in the NFL. The percentage was a league-leading 49.5 in 2010 and a runnerup 48.2 in 2009.

The Rams, meanwhile, brought added pressure 32.5 percent of the time during that period, 15th-most in the league, according to John McTigue of ESPN Stats & Information.

Fans and players tend to favor aggressive play, but as the chart indicates, NFC West quarterbacks have carved up Williams' New Orleans defenses in the postseason over the past two years.

Matt Hasselbeck's four touchdown passes led Seattle past the Saints in the wild-card round a year ago. Alex Smith's four total touchdowns (one rushing) were the difference for the 49ers in the divisional round Saturday.

Most schemes will work with the right players, of course. In these cases, veteran quarterbacks made the Saints pay for their aggressive tactics. Hasselbeck and Smith fared well, in general, regardless of how many rushers the Saints sent.

Steve Spagnuolo's defensive scheme was the least of the Rams' worries, in my view.

"A lot of defenses are unsound in how they do things," Hasselbeck said when I caught up to him following his Tennessee Titans preseason debut, in St. Louis. "These guys (the Rams) are really sound. They might not lead the league in sacks up front, but they do a nice job getting pressure. They play together as a defense. They don't give up big plays. Even when you get them, it's for 20 yards instead of for a touchdown."

The Saints gave up a league-high 14 pass plays covering at least 40 yards during the regular season. The Rams gave up 12, but they also lost all their top cornerbacks to injury.


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As the years have passed, we found Gregg Williams to be what he is - a one trick pony. :brood:

Here's a look at Spag's base 4-3 depth chart in St. Louis. No more talent that the Saints currently employ:

St. Louis Rams 2011 Depth Chart - Base 4-3 D - ESPN

Notable defensive free agents:
Brian Poppinga UFA and C.J. Ah You RFA

Euphoria 01-18-2012 07:37 AM

I'd take it.

jcp026 01-18-2012 07:40 AM

With Nolan out of the running, though he was my second choice anyway, I think Spagnuolo is our best option.

dizzle88 01-18-2012 08:03 AM

Spags D excels at getting pressure from just the front 4, occasionly bringing a 5th man if needed.
If he can get our front 4 to become dominant, if thats through free agency or the draft, we could leave men in coverage.
The stats showed that when he was in new York, the D line led the league in sacks and not by coincidence the defensive backfield was ranked 2nd in the league, if he can do something like that to our D, the turnovers and dominant play will return.

Del rio specializes in LB's mostly, we need help at all positions as far as fundamentals go so its which position each of you would like to see upgraded as to who you want as our new DC, i'd go with spags but not going to be unhappy if its del rio

|Mitch| 01-18-2012 08:39 AM

At this point; I will be happy with anyone not named Williams...

RaginCajun83 01-18-2012 08:46 AM

As long as the new DC knows that you need to play zone instead of blitzing when your up by 3 in a playoff game with 1:37 to go, I really don't care who they bring in .... but yeah I like what I'm reading about Spags

LBCutta 01-18-2012 09:15 AM

I think maybe with a little coaching our D as is, with a few changes can be dominant. G.Williams was what he was....a one trick pony. I think he relied too heavily on the blitz and didn't harp on how to recover when the blitz didnt work. If opposing teams know you are going to blirz 50% of the time its easy for them to game plan for it.

Mardigras9 01-18-2012 09:41 AM

Anything besides GW, seems like the league figured him out.

Halo 01-18-2012 09:48 AM

From Twitter
@howardeskin Howard Eskin (94 WIP / NBC 10 TV) says:
Quote:

Looks like Eagles will wait 4 Steve Spagnuolo 2 make his decision w N.O. before making decision on D-Coor. Like Spags, but he's not Belichek

hagan714 01-18-2012 01:25 PM

spags as DC and Del Rio as LB coach lol

UK_WhoDat 01-18-2012 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 371198)
......we could leave men in coverage.......

I went to my playbook dictionary to determine what coverage meant.

Wow! Give me some of that, bro'

CharityMike 01-18-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 371276)
I went to my playbook dictionary to determine what coverage meant.

Wow! Give me some of that, bro'

:lolup: Me too.. I want some!!

SapperSaint 01-18-2012 01:52 PM

I like others, like what I see outta that. Good post '76!

alleycat_126 01-18-2012 05:24 PM

I think he makes this team more fundamentally sound on the aspects that we are lacking pressure with the front four, takeaways, plus he has the draft and free agency to work with. No doubt he wants some names on our roster that he's familiar with as well. Don't let him out the door!!!!!

Danno 01-18-2012 05:46 PM

What I like is he loves a solid front 4 and LB's. We already have a solid secondary so most of the guys he's gonna request to be brought in or drafted will likely be front 7 players, specifically D-LINE!!!!

saintsfan1976 01-18-2012 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 371369)
What I like is he loves a solid front 4 and LB's. We already have a solid secondary so most of the guys he's gonna request to be brought in or drafted will likely be front 7 players, specifically D-LINE!!!!

Laurinaitis. 142 tackles in 2011. I like.

FinSaint 01-18-2012 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 371372)
Laurinaitis. 142 tackles in 2011. I like.


Yeah, he's good, but they would never let him leave.

Curtis Lofton, UFA, 147 tackles in 2011 -> more probable.

QBREES9 01-18-2012 07:12 PM

I just want a Defense equal to our Offence. is that to much to ask.

saintsfan1976 01-18-2012 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 371375)
Yeah, he's good, but they would never let him leave.

Curtis Lofton, UFA, 147 tackles in 2011 -> more probable.

I don't expect him to go.

I like the production from the MLB in his defense.

FinSaint 01-18-2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 371410)
I don't expect him to go.

I like the production from the MLB in his defense.


Well, he was a LB coach with the Eagles, so he probably could help the Saints' LBs a lot... as could Del Rio, but I think overall Spags would be a better DC for sure.

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-19-2012 01:31 AM

Chris Long made mince meat off our O-line. In the Rams game, looking like he was possessed, he sacked our quarterback 3 times. Maybe bring him.

FinSaint 01-19-2012 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT (Post 371486)
Chris Long made mince meat off our O-line. In the Rams game, looking like he was possessed, he sacked our quarterback 3 times. Maybe bring him.


He still has one more year left in his entry contract, and I doubt that the Rams would want to let their #2 overall pick of 2008 just walk out. I think they'll try to get him to sign a new contract this year, which will keep him in St. Louis for a long time.

Danno 01-19-2012 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT (Post 371486)
Chris Long made mince meat off our O-line. In the Rams game, looking like he was possessed, he sacked our quarterback 3 times. Maybe bring him.

But if I remember, I think he was abusing Charles Brown all game long without much help. It was also Charlie's last game at RT.

But I'll take him. He had more sacks than any two players we had combined.

Budsdrinker 01-19-2012 08:24 AM

Rams need WR's. Maybe a trade using Devery and Arrington.

FinSaint 01-19-2012 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 371533)
Rams need WR's. Maybe a trade using Devery and Arrington.


I find it hard to believe they would trade Long for those two without the Saints giving up additional draft picks - making it too expensive for a team short on picks already.

I mean they have Quinn and Hall, but the drop off from Long would be quite severe.


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