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The Dude 01-18-2012 07:02 PM

How do you guys feel about Meachum?
 
I am not a huge fan. He just does not produce like a 1st should. yea yea I know how we spread the ball around, but if Drew trusted him like Colston and Graham he would find a way to get the ball to him more. Just an observation. Long ball shmong ball. Btw did you here that Spags is in town?

QBREES9 01-18-2012 07:05 PM

I like him, i see a bigger role for him next year.

hagan714 01-18-2012 07:19 PM

i wonder about him to tell you the truth, mental lapses maybe? unable to grasp the offense? i am really confused by him. talent is there

LBCutta 01-18-2012 07:22 PM

I look a Meachum as a taller Henderson...they are almost the same damn player....we are holding on to "see how they develop"

saintfan 01-18-2012 07:28 PM

I like Meach too. I have a feeling we may be seeing more of him soon...

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-18-2012 07:28 PM

I LOVE ROBERT MEACHUM!!!!

Sorry guys, but I have NEVER SEEN another receiver on ANY team, rip an intercepted ball out of the hands of a defender who had intercepted a ball from a quarterback. This was a MIRACLE head's up play -- that if it hadn't happened -- we would have lost that Redskins game. I think he was imitating the ball thieves on our defense that year!!

Plus, he catches long bombs -- which are a lot of fun to watch -- and help win games.

Meachum has heart. And, I think if he were given the opportunity to catch more balls -- he would improve.

saintsfan1976 01-18-2012 07:33 PM

One trick pony IMO.

He mostly catches the ball with his body.

Potential, yes. Production no.

halloween 65 01-18-2012 07:44 PM

I like him enough not to let him go, thats a fact.

RaginCajun83 01-18-2012 07:46 PM

Meachem = Henderson, if it means they keep Colston then it might be time to cut ties with him

Pete 01-18-2012 07:56 PM

I believe his pre-planned role on the team diminishes his "shine" as a standout in our WR core.Get out there and stretch the field for me Meach?He's made some clutch catches for us
.I remember coach Payton saying how his YAC swayed them toward drafting Meachem.

AlaskaSaints 01-18-2012 08:12 PM

Love Robert Meachem.

Not injury prone, for instance.

His touchdowns far outnumber his obvious drops.

He's a keeper.

Alaska

Danno 01-18-2012 08:14 PM

I'm convinced there are a lot of people that don't understand or appreciate MeachEM's role on this team.

He's solid, and if we lost Colston you'd see he and Devery get a lot more catches.

Marlboro Man 01-18-2012 11:46 PM

:)I think Joseph Morgan could step right in and be an upgrade.

pumpkindriver 01-19-2012 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 371418)
I'm convinced there are a lot of people that don't understand or appreciate MeachEM's role on this team.

He's solid, and if we lost Colston you'd see he and Devery get a lot more catches.

I agree. He fits into his role nicely. SP knows how and when to use him. Remeber we spread the ball around so much , that no one player is gonna really be a big star in our offense, with the possible exception of Graham.

The Dude 01-19-2012 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 371477)
:)I think Joseph Morgan could step right in and be an upgrade.

Crap I forgot about that dude.

MatthewT 01-19-2012 03:38 AM

The Saints offense is so explosive mainly due to Brees and his receivers. He has 4 guys who have been around the organization for a very long time. They are probably going to lose 2 guys. Colston and Meachem are probably good as gone at this point. Free agency is probably going to find these guys some much greener pasture. Can Brees find new weapons, the answer is yes. What concerns me is Arrington played in the 49ers game, and he and Drew basically had no clue on one another. Everything thrown to Arrington looked to be just a bit off. Throw in two new receivers in the mix and it is very easy to see a significant drop off in production.

xan 01-19-2012 06:23 AM

In a matchup system offense, a player's effectiveness is highly dependent on playcall, defensive scheme, defensive player and situation. One cannot evaluate any receiver as if they were a #1 option out of the slot every play.

For what system that is employed, and Meachem's skills, I think he is a crucial asset. His speed, his ability to catch the ball in traffic, his ability to turn into a defender - he's prevented a number of dead certain interceptions - makes him indispensable. Plus, he's not a prima donna.

Danno 01-19-2012 07:19 AM

He and Devery's deep speed are one of the main reasons the intermediate routes to Colston and Graham are open.

They don't get enough credit for their unselfish roles, which is exactly what Brees has said numerous times about both of them.

Oh, and they're both excellent blockers.

halloween 65 01-19-2012 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 371417)
Love Robert Meachem.

Not injury prone, for instance.

His touchdowns far outnumber his obvious drops.

He's a keeper.

Alaska

I agree!! If he goes to another team he becomes their #1 deep threat. I don't want to have to face this guy.. He is healthy and dependable not to mention fast!!

jcp026 01-19-2012 07:49 AM

Meachem doesn't produce like a number 1 because he's not a number 1. Bringing back Colston should be a high priority. I'd support robbing Henderson to pay Meachem.

Danno 01-19-2012 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jcp026 (Post 371521)
Meachem doesn't produce like a number 1 because he's not a number 1. Bringing back Colston should be a high priority. I'd support robbing Henderson to pay Meachem.


Meachem made 1.2 million last year which is just over twice the league minimum. He's not gonna cost us much to keep.

Devery is scheduled to make 2.6 million in 2012, which isn't all that much.

I'd prefer to keep both.

papz 01-19-2012 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 371384)
I am not a huge fan. He just does not produce like a 1st should. yea yea I know how we spread the ball around, but if Drew trusted him like Colston and Graham he would find a way to get the ball to him more. Just an observation. Long ball shmong ball. Btw did you here that Spags is in town?

I think if Brees trusted Meachem like he did Colston and Graham, then Colston and Graham wouldn't be Colston and Graham.

Rugby Saint II 01-20-2012 02:58 PM

I'm saying it again.........we are really going to miss Curtis Johnson as our WR coach.

Boutte 01-20-2012 07:23 PM

yeah I think Johnson is going to be the guy we miss most.

I could see Devery moving on. meach can do most of what he does and I think he's a step or two faster at this point. If Morgan is as good as he looked he might be the next hidden gem that we seem to be so good at finding.

gandhi1007 01-20-2012 07:37 PM

Meachem is relatively cheap. Keep him. If you want a list of guys that are eating up cap money that we should lose, here's my take:

#1-Will Smith (This dude is committing grand theft on the Saints)

#2-Sedrick Ellis (Petty larceny, but he's still robbing us)

#3-Shaun Rogers (Dude needs a strict diet plan & it ain't gonna' happen in N.O., although I did see improvement at the end of the year)

#4-Tracy Porter (I don't know what happened after '09, but it ain't there anymore)

#5-Malcolm Jenkins (I had high hopes at FS, but they are dwindling fast)

#6-Scott Shanle (Should be way higher on the list, but he's relatively cheap. Regardless.....he gets beat on a regular basis. Bye!!!!)

Now.......how much money would just those six save us to use in free agency & improve our defense?????

westbankdaze 01-21-2012 07:23 AM

I like meachem, but I am not that worried if our receivers skip town. As long as we have Brees he will continue to make our receivers shine.

Saintswrath 01-21-2012 07:00 PM

I like your list Gandhi..

Will Smith would be the first person i would drop off somewhere.. Dude production after being signed to a fat contract has fell completely off the side of a cliff, he kinda reminds me of Charles grant before and after the money..
I noticed a lot of players (mostly on the defensive side) get really lazy after their big pay-outs and never seem to find another job after being dumped off a team.

hagan714 01-21-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 372171)
#5-Malcolm Jenkins (I had high hopes at FS, but they are dwindling fast)

I say a change in defensive philosophy will help his game. Spags maybe the man to bring the best out in him,

As for Mech? he is cheap

thebdj 01-21-2012 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 371504)
In a matchup system offense, a player's effectiveness is highly dependent on playcall, defensive scheme, defensive player and situation. One cannot evaluate any receiver as if they were a #1 option out of the slot every play.

For what system that is employed, and Meachem's skills, I think he is a crucial asset. His speed, his ability to catch the ball in traffic, his ability to turn into a defender - he's prevented a number of dead certain interceptions - makes him indispensable. Plus, he's not a prima donna.

This is absolutely word for word perfect on Robert Meachem. I believe he is an asset we would seriously regret letting go. I also love the spot on how many interceptions he breaks up. I remember one specifically in the Lions game. I turned to the guy next to me and pointed at the big screen and told him to check out Meachem's break-up. Very savvy play!

the-commish 01-22-2012 08:22 AM

I would like to keep Meachem, as he can stretch the field.

However, at WR, Colston is priority no 1. Once Colston is locked up, we can think about Meachem, if he still hasn't signed with another team by that time. The whole key is getting the Brees deal done, so the team can work on Nicks and Colston, probably franchising Nicks until he can be signed to a Jahri Evans-type deal. Most teams value tackles (especially LTs) much more than guards. So Nicks may not get unreasonable offers from other teams. If he were a LT (or other teams thought he could play LT well) his offers would be unreasonably high.

Also on Meachem, remember Joseph Morgan (no 13) will be coming off IR. Morgan has the speed at WR, and can also play STs. So losing Meachem might not be that big of a deal.

jeanpierre 01-22-2012 07:02 PM

Bust

The Dude 01-22-2012 10:45 PM

To early to tell. Spaags is great at coaching up young talent. Give him a year or two before we lable him a bust

mike27 01-22-2012 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 371498)
The Saints offense is so explosive mainly due to Brees and his receivers. He has 4 guys who have been around the organization for a very long time. They are probably going to lose 2 guys. Colston and Meachem are probably good as gone at this point. Free agency is probably going to find these guys some much greener pasture. Can Brees find new weapons, the answer is yes. What concerns me is Arrington played in the 49ers game, and he and Drew basically had no clue on one another. Everything thrown to Arrington looked to be just a bit off. Throw in two new receivers in the mix and it is very easy to see a significant drop off in production.

You make a good point, and for all those people clamouring for change, getting rid of our Super Bowl coach Gregg Williams, or particular players, you really don't know who you'll get, or what kind of team we'll have next year. I HOPE we're fixing problems, I hope we're getting better, and I hope a lot of players will keep their personal expectations in line, so we can have a great team. But who knows, all you folks may have gotten what you want, and next year we may be 8 and 8. I hope I'm wrong, as I really enjoyed watching my lifelong team, and them actually winning most of the games, and I'm glad we had the right combination, at the right time.

SanDiego49er 01-24-2012 12:31 AM

What's not to like about Meachum? He's fast and makes plays. Are you guys resigning him? Or letting him go in free agency?

Halo 01-24-2012 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 373055)
What's not to like about Meachum? He's fast and makes plays. Are you guys resigning him? Or letting him go in free agency?

We don't know yet. We'd gladly trade him for a 49er d-lineman....

SanDiego49er 01-24-2012 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 373059)
We don't know yet. We'd gladly trade him for a 49er d-lineman....

Would really like to have some of the Saints WR's. LOL. I guess we each have some strong points. The front 7 of the 49ers is pretty damn good. But our WR's could really use some work. Vernon Davis at TE is great but the WR's don't impress me. I like Colston and Meachum both. Hoping we can get one of those....:)

gandhi1007 01-24-2012 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 373066)
Would really like to have some of the Saints WR's. LOL. I guess we each have some strong points. The front 7 of the 49ers is pretty damn good. But our WR's could really use some work. Vernon Davis at TE is great but the WR's don't impress me. I like Colston and Meachum both. Hoping we can get one of those....:)

Speaking on behalf of the organization..... we'll give you Will Smith & Robert Meachem for Aldon Smith & Michael Crabtree. ;-)

SapperSaint 01-24-2012 07:50 AM

Meachem is ok. I think he is on a slow learning curve; which in the NFL isn't a good thing. Devery had a slow learning curve. It took him a while but no matter what some say here, Devery is a good WR. The issue with him, is that it took him too long to get where he's at now. If Meachem follows this path he wont be here long.

iceshack149 01-24-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 373072)
Speaking on behalf of the organization..... we'll give you Will Smith & Robert Meachem for Aldon Smith & Michael Crabtree. ;-)

They can keep Crabtree.

SanDiego49er 01-24-2012 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 373072)
Speaking on behalf of the organization..... we'll give you Will Smith & Robert Meachem for Aldon Smith & Michael Crabtree. ;-)

I wouldn't trade Aldon Smith for anybody. He's the best pass rusher we had in 20 years. Combined with Justin Smith and Ray McDonald and Ahmad Brooks it's pretty devastating.

But Crabtree I think you can have. He's pretty slow and doesn't separate well. A lot of Diva attitude with him as well. He may be overrated around the NFL by fans coming from a guy who watches the team every week. He's certainly not bad but I don't think he is as good as his reputation is either.


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