Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

The Redskins said at the start of free agency they would match any offer for their four restricted free agents, but vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato didn't have much to say about the Saints' cap-unfriendly offer.

"No comment right now," Cerrato said. "We'll take our time with it."

According to several sources familiar with the offer sheet, New Orleans' pact is valued at about $4.3 million over four years and contains several clauses that could dissuade the Redskins from matching.......



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Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

Great foresight ScottyRo.
A linebacker in college, he evolved into a solid blocking fullback and terrific special teams player.

That\'s good to hear. Maybe we\'ve found our new line backer too!

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

$4.3m over 4 years? What the hell...

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

Ahhh, the advantage of having Loomis. The contract is filled with incentives, both attainable and unattainable. Either way the skins have to match the value of both. If I read the report right. It was a pretty shrewd move. If Wash matches they have to overpay for him. If they don\'t match we get him much cheaper than the face value of the contract and owe them zero compensation.

Looks like they kinda snookered ole Danny Boy. Maybe it\'ll pisss him off enough to offer Hodge a contract and try to STEAL him from us ;) , we refuse to match and get a 2nd or 3rd rounder or whatever for him. That would be just too sweet.

Now if we could only match a player personnel guy with Loomis\'s financial savvy we\'d have one hell of a GM.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

We had a hell of a GM. He got fired. Notice also how the drafts haven\'t been as productive as they were under Mueller.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

\"A linebacker in college, he evolved into a solid blocking fullback and terrific special teams player. \"

Great to hear.

\"$4.3m over 4 years\"

Bad to hear.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

Thats the \"face-value\" I wish I had copied the link that explained how Loomis inserted many incentives unlikely to be reached. It inflates the face value (4.3 mil over 4 years) but its true cost is a fraction of that. But Washington must match the \"face value\".
I\'ll try to dig up that little blurb, if I can beat Pak to it.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

this is just stupid

we\'re gonna pay this guy a little over 4 mil for 4 years? isn\'t that what cleveland paid t-rex? a little over 4 mil for 4 years? isn\'t this guy the same age as t-rex? aren\'t both guys blocking FB\'s and not running/recieving threats?

SO WTF!!!!!!!!??????

t-rex has been in our system for years now, has a rapport with deuce and AB, t-rex is a proven blocking asset, this guy? who knows, spurrier\'s system sucked so it\'s hard to tell if the backfield in washington couldn\'t pick up blitzes because they suck or because the scheme sucked

either way i don\'t understand this, i was pissed when we let t-rex go and now i\'m even more pissed

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

Rusta, did you read the post directly above yours?
We aren\'t paying him that much.

Here\'s a summary similar to the article I read...
http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20...4925-2126r.htm

…Johnson, 26, brings no compensation because he was undrafted out of Boise State in 2000. A linebacker in college, he evolved into a solid blocking fullback and terrific special teams player. He could start at H-back in coach Joe Gibbs\' offense.
According to several sources familiar with the offer sheet, New Orleans\' pact is valued at about $4.3million over four years and contains several clauses that could dissuade the Redskins from matching.
The first element is an immediate $800,000 roster bonus with no signing bonus. Roster bonuses, unlike signing bonuses, are not prorated over the life of the contract, and this one serves to give Johnson a high first-year cap number.
That figure is further inflated by a second element: \"likely to be earned\" incentives that Johnson almost certainly will not earn. The incentives, based on a technicality in NFL player contracts, raise Johnson\'s first-year cap figure. Because he is virtually certain not to earn them, the Saints (or Redskins) would get a cap rebate for the incentives\' value in 2005.

So the face value of the contract Washington would have to match isn\'t what Johnson would actually end up costing us. Extremely shrewd move, its predatory free-agent targeting.

[Edited on 23/3/2004 by Danno]

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

i\'m still pissed :P

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

well if the Saints bomb again this year you can use this one for many reasons we have to can this leadership and players. We also got Gash so I don\'t think we actually lost anything and bringing in some new faces after a season we had isn\'t a bad thing... t-rex a mere casualty.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

The Saints\' offer to Johnson eclipses what the team was willing to pay former fullback Terrelle Smith, who signed a four-year, $4,335,130 contract with the Cleveland Browns. Smith\'s contract includes annual base salaries of $535,000, $750,000, $825,000 and $1 million, a $1.075 signing bonus and roster bonuses of $25,000, $50,000 and $75,000 beginning in 2005.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

I think a lot of folks forget, There was speculation that they wanted to upgrade the FB position a couple of years ago. T-rex\'s job has been in jeopardy from day one.

I remember trying to sneak Moran Norris onto the practice squad at the last second in 2002(?). Houston snatched him up in about 4 seconds. I think he was supposed to be the eventual replacement for Smith, if my memory serves.

I was hoping we would have gone after Heath Evans (AU, Seattle).
I guess just having the name Heath scared the crap out of the front office.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

whats the word on this guy... I thought the other team had 3 days to match the offer or he was ours???

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

They had a week, so we\'ll find out friday.

I like what we\'ve done with the FB position, if we can sign Johnson.
Johnson is young, a good blocker, and can catch out of the back field.
Gash is a great leader, and counts almost nothing against the cap, as the charge for the vet minimum is only $450,000.

Overall, I think the position may be upgraded.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

Hmm, good news if true. I\'ll rejoice when Friday passes.

I read where if they do match, they will be unable to re-sign one of their talented up and coming LINEBACKERS they targeted for re-signing.

Hmmm, I wonder if Loomis is trying the old bait and switch. If Wash matches, we immediately sign this LB (I forget his name) to an offer sheet that Wash can\'t match.
I\'ll be back, I\'m gonna get the skinny on that LB.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

Antonio Pierce, 6-2 240, from Arizona.
Didn\'t play much at all last year (15 tackles). I wonder why they desire to keep him so much?
Anybody know anything about him?

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

while searching for info on antonio pierce, i found this lil tid bit about duece...



Former Mississippi running back Deuce McAllister was the second running back taken in the 2001 NFL Draft. McAllister was selected by the New Orleans Saints with the 23rd overall pick. This is the eighth and final in a series of Draft Diaries from McAllister.

I was a little frustrated that I didn\'t get drafted earlier, but this may be a blessing in disguise for me being picked up by New Orleans. Saturday was a dream come true for me despite the fact that I fell a little bit from where I was projected. I\'m still getting an opportunity to play in the NFL and with a good team. Now it makes the road to the Super Bowl that much shorter.

From a guy starting his senior season as the No. 1 prospect in the country and not being picked until 23rd, it leaves me with something to prove as a player. Losing money is the only thing that really happens by dropping down in the draft. But I\'ll trade in a couple of million dollars for a Super Bowl ring anytime. If you go out and perform, you\'ll make the money up later.



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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...llister_diary/

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

the only thing that i can find on Antonio Pierce is that he had 42 tackles as a rookie n hasnt played much since that year... i couldnt even find out what round he was drafted in so i suspect that he was a rookie FA so no compensation would have to be provided for signing him....

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

:o

Redskins | Offer to Johnson Matched - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:22:01 -0800

KFFL has learned the Washington Redskins have matched the New Orleans Saints\' four-year, $4.12 million offer sheet to restricted free agent FB Bryan Johnson.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

You see, if they would have paid Terrell Smith we wouldn\'t have this problem.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

they are happy with Gash but if they could have pulled him in they would have been even more happy long-term wise.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

Gash is a great recieving fullback. There is no way he is the blocker that T Smith is, though. I don\'t know if there is a masher like T Smith anywhere else. This is a little frustrating.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

How you figure? Gash was the lead blocker for Jamal Lewis last year

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

Compare.

Loomis:


2003

1. Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
2. Jon Stinchcomb T Georgia
3. Cie Grant LB Ohio State
4. Montrae Holland G Florida State
5. Melvin Williams DE Kansas State
6. Kareem Kelly WR USC
7. Talman Gardner WR Florida State



2002

1. Donte Stallworth WR Tennessee
1. Charles Grant DE Georgia
2. LeCharles Bentley C Ohio State
3. James Allen LB Oregon State
4. Keyou Craver CB Nebraska
5. Melvin Mitchell S Western Kentucky
6. J.T. O\'Sullivan QB UC-Davis
6. John Gilmore TE Penn State
7. Derrius Monroe DE Virginia Tech


Mueller:
2001

1. Deuce McAllister RB Mississippi
3. Sedrick Hodge LB North Carolina
3. Kenny Smith DL Alabama
4. Moran Norris FB Kansas
5. Onomo Ojo WR UC-Davis
6. Mitch White T Oregon State
7. Ennis Davis DT USC

2000

2. Darren Howard DE Kansas State
4. Terrelle Smith FB Arizona State
5. Tutan Reyes OL Mississippi
5. Austin Wheatley TE Iowa
5. Chad Morton RB USC
6. Marc Bulger QB West Virginia
6. Michael Hawthorne DB Purdue
6. Sherrod Gideon WR Southern Mississippi
7. Kevin Houser TE Ohio State

Which do you think is more productive?

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

Actually it looks like Loomis is a much better talent evaluator than Meuller was.
Looking at those drafts its a no-brainer.
2 Meuller drafts-5 NFL starters, after 3 and 4 years in the league
2 Loomis Drafts-8 starters, if you count next season\'s projected starters. And all 8 with only two years of development.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

a lil more info about the trade between the redskins and bears



By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

For a guy who averaged exactly one rushing attempt per season in the first three years of his career, fullback Bryan Johnson is pretty popular.


So popular, in fact, that over the past week, he wasn\'t sure from one day to the next where he\'d be playing in 2004.


The uncertainty ended Monday when the Washington Redskins dealt Johnson to the Chicago Bears for a sixth-round choice in this year\'s draft.


The trade came only three days after the Redskins matched a restricted free agent offer sheet Johnson had signed with the New Orleans Saints, a move that permitted Washington to retain his rights.


Confused by all the permutations transpiring in Johnson\'s career? Imagine how he felt as his rights were bouncing back and forth.


\"Look, the good thing is, everything has worked out for the best, and he\'s in a good situation,\" said agent Derrick Fox. \"The people in Chicago are good people and Bryan is excited about being a part of what is going on there.\"


Johnson\'s dizzying odyssey began on March 19, when he signed a four-year, $4.7 million offer sheet with the Saints. That deal was front-loaded with the gamble that the Redskins, who had a week to match the offer sheet, would pass on a contract that includes a roster bonus of $800,000 and a first-year salary cap charge of about $2.2 million.


But just before last Friday\'s deadline, the Redskins opted to match the offer and retain Johnson, at least for the time being. That time frame, as it turned out, lasted less than 72 hours. The Redskins and Bears began discussing a deal late Sunday afternoon and completed the transaction Monday morning.


The Oakland Raiders and Buffalo Bills were also interested in acquiring Johnson.


Teams had a small window of opportunity to complete a deal. The offer sheet Johnson signed with New Orleans, and which was assumed by the Redskins when they matched it, included a 48-hour no-trade clause. That meant Washington couldn\'t discuss a trade until Sunday afternoon, and the team wanted to have a deal in place before Tuesday, when the $800,000 roster bonus is due.


Because there is no signing bonus involved in the deal, the Redskins do not have any financial liability and Johnson leaves no \"dead money\" on the team\'s cap. Getting a No. 6 choice for Johnson now gives the Redskins three choices in next month\'s draft. Had the Redskins not matched the New Orleans offer sheet, and permitted Johnson to depart to the Saints, they would have received no draft choice compensation since the fullback entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent.


Chicago now figures to have a completely revamped backfield with two free agents, Johnson at fullback and Thomas Jones at tailback, in the starting lineup.


Perhaps the only surprising element to the trade is that a tough, lead-blocking fullback, one with solid receiving skills, is critical in the new offense being installed by Joe Gibbs in Washington, and Johnson certainly meets that job description.


Johnson, 26, joined the Redskins as an undrafted free agent linebacker from Boise State in 2001. In his rookie training camp, coaches moved him to fullback, and he has been a quiet but effective performer there ever since.


He has carried just three times for five yards and has 33 receptions for 314 yards, and has yet to score his first NFL touchdown. But the 245-pound Johnson is a terrific lead blocker in the running game and has improved his pass blocking skills as well.


New Orleans had sought Johnson as a replacement for departed fullback Terrelle Smith, one of the NFL\'s premier blockers at the position, who signed with Cleveland two weeks ago as an unrestricted free agent. The Saints did sign venerable fullback Sam Gash but hoped to further upgrade at the position.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

I think Mueller had a lot to do with the 2002 draft before he left. I think I heard Loomis on the radio around that time giving Mueller credit for his evaluation of prospects.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

That\'s true, but the two \"Loomis\" drafts had 5 picks in the first two rounds, and the \"Mueller\" drafts only had 2. There\'s your difference of 3 starters.

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson
 

According to nfl.com he played for Buffalo last year.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1131

Redskins unlikly to match Saints offer to FB johnson