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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Speedy Ron the only other people i would have wanted in that first round really were tamba hali and haloti ngata . other than that id take the bush pick. it set off a string of events ...

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Old 01-26-2012, 06:15 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron View Post
the only other people i would have wanted in that first round really were tamba hali and haloti ngata. other than that id take the bush pick. it set off a string of events that were more long term beneficial. ex: sproles

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Old 01-26-2012, 08:25 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by FinSaint View Post
I think that's a hard one to sell.

I still think Bush was the correct pick in that draft - he was drafted for what he was able to do: create overall excitement and pull off circus-like feats on the field.
I wanted Reggie with the #2 pick. I'll agree that Payton needed Bush in his offense for what he was capable of. Too bad it only came in brief, sporadic times throughout 6 seasons.

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How would we have done that? He was already picked.
Trades happen. Had Houston really wanted Reggie they would have had him. And had Payton got what he "wanted" for that pick (who knows exactly what that was) we could have drafted Williams. Reggie was the sexy pick, Houston didn't want the risk, nor did any other team in range of the #2 pick so we got him.

But let's skip all the "what if" scenarios.. I don't think Reggie was nearly as essential to the success of the offense as Williams could have been to the defense - long term.

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
Trades happen. Had Houston really wanted Reggie they would have had him. And had Payton got what he "wanted" for that pick (who knows exactly what that was) we could have drafted Williams. Reggie was the sexy pick, Houston didn't want the risk, nor did any other team in range of the #2 pick so we got him.

But let's skip all the "what if" scenarios.. I don't think Reggie was nearly as essential to the success of the offense as Williams could have been to the defense - long term.

At least according to SP's book, Bush was who he most coveted in that draft, but I give you that it might be just a case of "talking after the fact" and the story being told following the SB win.
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
...But let's skip all the "what if" scenarios.. I don't think Reggie was nearly as essential to the success of the offense as Williams could have been to the defense - long term...
Easy there nips
yeah, but I think Reggie was essential to keeping the offense anddefense in New Orleans.
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Old 01-27-2012, 09:54 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by FinSaint View Post
At least according to SP's book, Bush was who he most coveted in that draft, but I give you that it might be just a case of "talking after the fact" and the story being told following the SB win.
I don't think Payton does that. I think in spite of his being squirrely about injuries ("he has a knee") I think Payton is actually very straight shooting and honest at the podium or in what he writes. I do think Reggie Bush was very coveted in that draft, and if you look at it as a either/or choice between offense or defense (Bush vs. Williams) Payton was obviously going to pick the offensive weapon. Especially starting from square one like he was.
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Old 01-27-2012, 10:29 AM   #46
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Our offense under SP is, and always has been, about creating match up problems, which Drew diagnoses at the line and directs the play accordingly. Until Sproles, Bush almost gauranteed a mismatch somewhere on the field, if not on him, then on whoever the fast guy they have on him should have been guarding. I'm sorry if he didn't run for 1500 yards a season and score 20 TDs, but he did just about everything we drafted him for except for running between tackles and playing 16 games.
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Old 02-16-2012, 05:57 PM   #47
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Free agent OLB/DE Mario Williams insists becoming the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history is "really not that big of a deal" to him.
"I'm not worried about that," Williams said. "I was the first pick, and I've already had everything I really wanted, so my biggest thing is to be in a good position, a good scheme, a good system." Williams' hope is that the Texans will make him an offer rich enough to stay in Houston. "I love it here. The team is right where it needs to be," said Williams. "The pieces fit, but it's part of business. Whatever happens, happens." Williams says he's been 100 percent recovered from his torn pectoral for two weeks.

Top-dollar deal not Mario Williams' priority - Rotoworld.com

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It might be that he also wants to remain in a 3-4 scheme.
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It might be that he also wants to remain in a 3-4 scheme.
I thought he excelled as a 4-3 DE and didn't care too much for the 3-4 OLB switch.

All of his pro-bowl and all-pro selections were as a 4-3 DE.
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I thought he excelled as a 4-3 DE and didn't care too much for the 3-4 OLB switch.

All of his pro-bowl and all-pro selections were as a 4-3 DE.
I agree. Mario played his best in a 4-3.
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