Yeah, basically what I said but chock full o' facts and stats and stuff.

I think the optimistic answer to your first question, lies in this...I think it's sort of a three year cycle type deal... Gibbs came with Payton in 2006....result: NFC Championship appearance in the first year. Williams came in 2009...result: Super Bowl win in his first year, then two years of defensive regression, sort of eerily similar to what happened with Gibbs. There's no question that with the exception of Sharper and maybe one or two guys I'm forgetting about right now, Williams came in and had great success with the same basic people, that Gibbs was faltering with in 2008. They looked like a totally different defense out there! But both Gibbs and Williams ended up going OUT with kind of the same storyline or rap, that Drew and the O were AMAZING but the D was giving up big plays and losing games at end.

That's why I'm optimistic and hopeful it will be an instant improvement with Spags -- it's happened that way twice already for the Saints under Sean Payton. Yeah they need a few upgrades, but I'm optimistic the difference will be night and day. Partially because for the first half of the year, teams will have no film to study and NO IDEA what to expect defensively when they line up and face us. Just like 2006 and 2009!

I don't worry about how long Spags will stay here, the guy hasn't even called a single defensive snap yet for the Saints. Worry about that later, after success.

Third, I've said this before in other threads, the effect on the players will be GOOD rather than bad -- that they will want to bust their rumps to impress the new DC, to avoid being cut, or traded to some losing team in Siberia. They will be inspired that the new DC can fix the problems from last year, and put them in positions to win games. I think that is precisely what happened to some degree in 2006 and 2009. That's why I'm optimistic.

"In the Giants’ 2008 Super Bowl triumph over New England, their defense sacked Tom Brady five times and the Patriots, who had led the NFL with an average of 36.8 points per game, to only 14 points."

As DC with the Giants, they did this to the league MVP in the biggest game of the year. And I totally agree GW had run his course.

I don't care how long he stays... this is buisness. Win or go home.

I don't fault Sean or Loomis for letting him walk. I don't care how it looks but Saints wasn't offering him a contract is more or less like getting fired. You're not coming back.

If Sean or Loomis doesn't move on from GW then they would end up on the chopping block as for as I am concern. Look if there is a reason you are having problems or not getting to the next level then fix it and they did... GW is gone. Smart move for their careers. We have 2-3 years before this ride is over and we better win now.

Couldnt have said it better its win big now time, drew is in his prime theres no way in hell we go into new york and win another sb. Its best we get this one here. Btw its not exactly gonna be the same talent. I dont see will smith staying on unless he takes a paycut.greg romeus will probably win that battle. Martez wilson will more than likely start replacing scott shanle full time. We do have draft picks to build with and bringing drew, colston, and nicks back may clear up some room for us to make a few moves during free agency.

GW's first year here we went all defense in the draft so that he could implement his plans with his selections. I anticipate a draft again to reflect the DCs game planning. Here we go again.:wink:

Some guys are great at doing 1 thing (singletary to linebacker coach) and not overseeing a whole team. He has a proven record at DC and failed as a head coach. This doesn't mean he will never excel at being a head coach but for right now he can just take a step back and win a few SUPER BOWLS as defensive coordinator of your NEW ORLEANS SAINTS!!!!!!!!! WHO DATT!!!!!!!!!!!11

Even as a head coach, he joined a Rams team that was just plain awful. They had a pretty solid 2010 season and many people thought they'd do even better this year.

Then, they were decimated by injuries and it became painfully obvious that, even before they lost a bunch of players for the year, their QB had no one to throw the ball to.

If you want proof of how good his D was when they actually had some healthy players that weren't exhausted from being on the field for about 40 minutes/game, watch the game they played against us...

To do the job he did in St. Louis with the cast of characters he had, I think, does more to prove he's a good coach than to disprove it...

Don't forget the 'motivation' factor, some coaches inspire, some don't ... you seen it with Harbaugh in SFran and Ryan in New York . Spags is a 'Harbaugh', though maybe not so 'out there', and will do the same for the Saints defense, IMO.

I guess think Wade Phillips... He didnt burn up the world as a head coach, but he kicks azz as a DC.