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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; the guy comes from a losing team, with a losing record, with a crap record in the worst division in football.....how is this guy a step up over Gregg Williams. Please....educate me...

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Old 01-25-2012, 12:12 AM   #1
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Spags better than who?

the guy comes from a losing team, with a losing record, with a crap record in the worst division in football.....how is this guy a step up over Gregg Williams.

Please....educate me
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:15 AM   #2
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and im not being a smart ars, I really am wanting to know why you guys think he is an upgrade..because I just dont see it.
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:31 AM   #3
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He's replacing the failed head coach from Buffalo!

DUH! LOL

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Old 01-25-2012, 02:23 AM   #4
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Good question, one of those we shall see. Apparently, the Gregg Williams regime ran its course in New Orleans. To me, getting Spags is just like a fresh number 1 draft pick, a new sense of opportunism. Like Williams, Spags has a great background for coaching defense. The hope is Spags can get the defense to improve, especially get more out of the d-line and linebackers. Williams had that go to guy in Darren Sharper, who made his high risk/high reward defense work. Sharper has not been a factor for Williams' second and third season. Spags needs to find that type of guy, no matter the position, who can change the outcome of a game. If he does, he will be labeled a genius.

It really boils down to the players and not the coaches. The Saints have a lot of talent on defense, most of it has not been uncovered yet. Let's hope Spags can get it out of them. If he does, the Saints are in great shape!
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It's a step up because when they labelled GW a defensive guru, that's only because it took the teams 1 year to figure out what he was going to do, after they figured it out he looked exactly like Gary Gibbs, slow and let he opponents get what they want all day kinda defense.
Spags is a smart guy and occasionally he will send more than 4 blitzes, but at the same time he knows when it's Time to drop in coverage. He also has a great track record of working with the D line;

Chris long looked lost in his first season with the rams, when spags shows up he "coincidentally" gets double digit sacks. I watched the rams defense highlights and spags relied on the front 4 to do a lot, we may need a bit of an overhaul personell wise (please get Mario Williams and cut will smith) but spags will make this defense better
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It's a step up because when they labelled GW a defensive guru, that's only because it took the teams 1 year to figure out what he was going to do, after they figured it out he looked exactly like Gary Gibbs, slow and let he opponents get what they want all day kinda defense.
Spags is a smart guy and occasionally he will send more than 4 blitzes, but at the same time he knows when it's Time to drop in coverage. He also has a great track record of working with the D line;

Chris long looked lost in his first season with the rams, when spags shows up he "coincidentally" gets double digit sacks. I watched the rams defense highlights and spags relied on the front 4 to do a lot, we may need a bit of an overhaul personell wise (please get Mario Williams and cut will smith) but spags will make this defense better
One thing that worries me is the Rams had one of the Worst run D. I am hoping it was the personnel and not the scheme.
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:55 AM   #7
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the guy comes from a losing team, with a losing record, with a crap record in the worst division in football.....how is this guy a step up over Gregg Williams.

Please....educate me
We aren't hiring him to be the head coach?
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:00 AM   #8
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We aren't going to have a lot of money to sign players with this year, and we haven't been able to generate a pass rush with the players we have on the D-Line for 6 years now. I'd like someone to explain to me, how, all of a sudden, coach Spagnola is going to take these same players and make them become all pro linemen and get pressure with just the front 4. Our scouting dept. is gonna have to do the best job they've ever done, and they've done an amazing job the last 6 years, of finding up and coming players in FA that we can develope as well as what Spags can find in the draft. If they can come up with 2 DT's and 2 OLB's and at least 1 DE, we could have a pretty decent defense next year, but the reality is, that's a LOT of players to come up with in only 1 year.

Having said that, let's say we DO win the Super Bowl next year. How long do you think Spags stays? I'd say we had better be looking for his replacement today as well. Additionally, what do you think the effect on the players would be if we're changing DC's every year to every 3 years?
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From all I've read about Spags I think he'll succeed because...
1. Respected and admired league wide for his DC skills
2. Has proven to take underachivers/unknows and step up their game (ref Justin Tuck).
3. His agressive approach isn't as reckless as Gregg's was.
4. His specialty is getting pressure with the front 4 and blitz timing.
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Before taking over in St. Louis, Spagnuolo had top 10 defenses with the Giants in the 2007 and 2008 seasons. His 2007 defense led the NFL with 53 sacks and the 2008 unit was sixth in the league with 42.

In the Giants’ 2008 Super Bowl triumph over New England, their defense sacked Tom Brady five times and the Patriots, who had led the NFL with an average of 36.8 points per game, to only 14 points.

Before joining the Giants, Spagnuolo was a defensive assistant in Philadelphia from 1999-2006. He coached Pro Bowl players including Brian Dawkins and Lito Sheppard, and helped Philadelphia field a 10th-ranked defense in the 2004 season, when the Eagles made it to the Super Bowl before falling to New England.

HC is far more different than being a DC. Some people aren't made to be HC's. I truely believe that. Some people are good at one thing not 100.
Oh and the D that is going to the SB this year was one that Spags built.
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