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The Dude 01-26-2012 01:19 PM

Just how much longer do you think our window is open?
 
Before we have to rebuild. Our players are either in their prime or entering their prime and will slowly need to be replaced or upgraded. I say we have a 2-3 year window before our level of play drops off. I want to be contenders every year and Sean Payton said he cannot see himself coaching 5 years from now. Does the taste of us being a winning team ensure the front office will do what it can to keep us winning after Payton retires and Brees play drops off?

SmashMouth 01-26-2012 01:33 PM

As long as Brees and SP are there. Let us enjoy it while it lasts...

TopCow 01-26-2012 01:37 PM

I'm sure that this same conversation has been batted around in Boston and Indianapolis for any number of years. In Indianapolis there has been a coaching change, and only the season-ending injury to Peyton Manning has derailed their dominance. The same general trend holds true in New England.

Now, I am not certain that the Saints will remain a top franchise year after year. But the front office leadership that is in place right now promises that continued excellence is a very realistic possibility.

Rugby Saint II 01-26-2012 01:46 PM

We have the foundation to be a dynasty for a long long time. We should have 4-5 years with Brees as our leader. Sean Payton will hopefully have his backup in place and a well trained staff when he retires and we will continue rolling along. I love the FO and Rita Benson.(she's really running the show)imo

neugey 01-26-2012 01:57 PM

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SaintsBro 01-26-2012 02:07 PM

I am not worried in the least about the window.

I know this may seem a bit blasphemous to some, but I think the "window of opportunity" is really more related to Payton and Loomis than to Brees. And now that Payton is starting to have a recognized, proven coaching tree of his own, it could extend even beyond that. Nobody really thought Steve Young was gonna follow Montana so well, or Rodgers after Favre. Why not here? I'm talking WAY DOWN THE ROAD, of course.

I could easily see a scenario with Brees playing at a very high level for many many more years to come, with all the advances in sports medicine, and his inner drive, I have a feeling that Brees is going to be a viable, scary good QB for longer than many people think. I could see him eventually becoming an almost legendary or iconic figure for the team, like John Elway was in his final Super Bowl year. I vividly remember that last Broncos Super Bowl year, everybody was marveling at how Denver "finally had a running game," how Elway was mainly handing the ball off, and then he would show just enough of the "magic" and dazzle in the passing game to get the job done.

I could easily see a 2017-18 version of Brees doing something exactlylike that, perhaps even with Ingram grown into the reliable veteran leader in the running game, and a whole new crop of fresh young undrafted free agents around Drew, playing exactly like the amazing team that we have now. It's not at all difficult to imagine, when you look at the pieces the Saints have and the system that's in place.

Beastmode 01-26-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 373788)
Sean Payton said he cannot see himself coaching 5 years from now.

I read the exact opposite. There is a quote recently where he said the goal is to build a team that is a winner for 10-12 years. Who knows.

Danno 01-26-2012 03:10 PM

Our window shall remain open as long as we have an Owner committed to winning, a talented General Manager who oversees a solid scouting department, a talented Head Coach with a great working relationship with the GM.

The names may change, but the recipe for continued success does not.

FinSaint 01-26-2012 04:32 PM

With this Brees can keep the window open well into his 80s...


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Speedy Ron 01-26-2012 04:58 PM

i would say 4-5 years. and maybe in 3 years we draft a high pick qb that can learn and take over like rogers did.

Ashley 01-26-2012 06:14 PM

5yrs with what we have in place now. Then who knows???

Mardigras9 01-26-2012 06:24 PM

3-4 years with current team for legit SB run. As far as recipe for success, I think the organization has found it if they stick with it.

SanDiego49er 01-27-2012 03:34 AM

You have about 2 - 3 years. Brees is 33 now. And obviously still great. But it can't last forever. People thought Peyton Manning would go on forever too. But these guys come to an end when they get older. Lots of hits plus age accumulate to bring it to an end.

You have lots of great players on that team. But it's not the same without Brees. That's for sure. He's what holds it together. As long as he is young enough and healthy enough you will be good. Beyond that you will rebuild.

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-27-2012 03:42 AM

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FinSaint 01-27-2012 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 373897)
You have about 2 - 3 years. Brees is 33 now. And obviously still great. But it can't last forever. People thought Peyton Manning would go on forever too. But these guys come to an end when they get older. Lots of hits plus age accumulate to bring it to an end.

You have lots of great players on that team. But it's not the same without Brees. That's for sure. He's what holds it together. As long as he is young enough and healthy enough you will be good. Beyond that you will rebuild.


I doubt Manning trains or trained as hard as Brees does to keep himself in shape!




TheOak 01-27-2012 04:41 AM

When you set out to build a Dynasty, it is a continuous improvement process. The biggest transition will be Brees when that time comes... Until the you have seen the transitions taking place every season and for the most part every transition was an improvement.

People got pissed about Shockey...... Now look at the Graham!
Losing Deuce was difficult to swallow...... I believe we have more than enough talent and depth in our back field.
Receivers are still young...... May lose Coleston soon due to$ but there will be another right behind him.

Other than QB New Orleans is not a one dimensional team in any one area or position of value.

Right now the biggest loss of a player that we have that I can see is Sharper.... They have yet to fill that spot with equal talent.

Well ...... they have yet to replace the Dome Patrol also.:bng:

SanDiego49er 01-27-2012 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 373902)
I doubt Manning trains or trained as hard as Brees does to keep himself in shape!


Pre-Season Training With TRX & Drew Brees - YouTube

TRX® Game Day Challenge with Drew Brees - YouTube

He trains just as hard. Injuries and age are just part of the game. Brees is not exempt from that.

dizzle88 01-27-2012 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 373903)

Right now the biggest loss of a player that we have that I can see is Sharper.... They have yet to fill that spot with equal talent.::

Pretty much right on the money with this statement, Jenkins was advertised as the heir apparent and whilst I'm not ready to throw him under the bus yet, he needs to develop some instincts and make some plays in the passing game.

FinSaint 01-27-2012 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 373904)
He trains just as hard. Injuries and age are just part of the game. Brees is not exempt from that.


Yeah right... I think these are actually pretty accurate depictions of his off-season activities:





SanDiego49er 01-27-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 373914)
Yeah right... I think these are actually pretty accurate depictions of his off-season activities:


Williams vs Mannings - YouTube


Double Stuff Oreo Commercial "Blimp" Featuring the Mannings and Williams - YouTube

Pretty accurate depiction of Manning's offseasons too. He took a bad hit and got injured. Can happen to Brees too. He's not immune from that. Brees in fact did get knocked out for the season. It happened earlier in his career. Hes capable of injury too. All NFL QB's are. It's a rough game.

QBREES9 01-27-2012 11:15 PM

Easy five years.

xan 01-27-2012 11:27 PM

It all depends on who our backup qb will be in two years.

Halo 01-28-2012 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 374130)
It all depends on who our backup qb will be in two years.

Oh come on professor crab............ COME ON!

Drew is 33 and top of his game and getting better....

TheOak 01-28-2012 03:00 PM

A QB's career span is not all about luck, its about line too.... More line than luck.

xan 01-28-2012 03:59 PM

Just to clarify, it will take at least two years for a smooth transition of a high quality qb who is a rookie to one that can actually run the complicated offense. I expect that rookie to join the team in two years.

Saintswrath 01-28-2012 11:16 PM

As long as we have Mickey Loomis i can see us constantly being a contender and gaining the respect we all know we deserve..

Remember guy's, Loomis put all of this together, Sean Payton and Brees was the 2 Master Pieces..

Im not taking credit from Sean or Brees but Loomis is the match maker that made all of this happen and i believe if we were to lose one of them or both of them he could piece together another dominate group..
This man isn't getting the credit he deserve..


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