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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by halloween 65 Cut the dead weight, get a few free agents fimiliar with his system, draft 2 DT's and a LB. I like this. But... I would draft two DE and a LB. Pick up a BPA ...

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Old 02-03-2012, 02:46 PM   #11
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Cut the dead weight, get a few free agents fimiliar with his system, draft 2 DT's and a LB.
I like this. But... I would draft two DE and a LB. Pick up a BPA at DT in FA. I like the 4 DE front line scheme. Not an every down scheme, but very effective when G's and T's are used to just pushing and shoving, then they get in front of a manipulating DE.

Tackling has got to be a number one priority. NOT STRIPPING THE BALL! "Love Taps" don't cut it in the NFL. Bring in John Lynch and teach our Safeties how to hit. Safeties need to be the guys who deliver bone crushing hits.

Bring in Deion for Training Camp to teach our CB's how to play the position.

I would train the defense as if they were learning it from day 1. Our guys need to unlearn what they have learned, while under G.W.

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Old 02-03-2012, 03:30 PM   #12
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OK guys. You are allowed to tackle.
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:29 PM   #13
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one good thing is that he played against our garbage d so he probably has an outsider/ game preparers idea of our weaknesses. not that its too hard to find our weaknesses. i know most of them and i am a douche
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I like this. But... I would draft two DE and a LB. Pick up a BPA at DT in FA. I like the 4 DE front line scheme. Not an every down scheme, but very effective when G's and T's are used to just pushing and shoving, then they get in front of a manipulating DE.

Tackling has got to be a number one priority. NOT STRIPPING THE BALL! "Love Taps" don't cut it in the NFL. Bring in John Lynch and teach our Safeties how to hit. Safeties need to be the guys who deliver bone crushing hits.

Bring in Deion for Training Camp to teach our CB's how to play the position.

I would train the defense as if they were learning it from day 1. Our guys need to unlearn what they have learned, while under G.W.
I can see what your seeing about the DE's but the push up the middle has stunk for a few years , my thinking is with 2 DT's pushing the pocket it should make our speed rushers much, much better and with Romeus in the mix this year I think we are set at DE, now Avril would be nice but I don't think we have a chance at him. A MLB or OLB I could definatly see in FA or the draft. But the MLB needs to have some weight and speed, a thumper so to speak. I just want up-grades at these positions, not what we have now.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:49 PM   #15
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shuck the ball stripping, and just make the defense learn how to know knock the offense's dick in the dirt. wrap 'em up, and put 'em down.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:36 PM   #17
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Totally rework coaching staff; got one of his guys as Secondary Coach, good...

Recommend Releasing/Renegotiating Contracts of Harper, Ellis, Smith, and Vilma (Colston and Nicks must remain with this team and will help with best defense is a good offense)...

With remaining talent, decide best formation (as Spags has been a 4-3, will geaux that way)

FA Targets

DE Calais Campbell, Mario Williams, Cliff Avril

Williams and Avril are possible as Williams is out of place in a 3-4 and Lions have a ton of money committed to other three DL; Campbell would be the best addition and if Cardinals figure that have plenty allocated to other kid (Dockett), they may not franchise...

LB David Hawthorne, D'Qwell Jackson, Stephen Tulloch

Hawthorne is an absolute beast who gets no respect; D'Qwell is a good leader with some limits as far as size, but is productive and could transition to WLB; Stephen Tulloch is one hard hitter...

Cornerback

A little more competition wouldn't hurt, but I think this group did very well despite a schiotty pass rush; Cortland Finnegan would bring a nasty edge though likely to be tagged...

Strong Safety

Jenkins and Harper Battle royale - the winner will be made better - savings on loser released/traded would be a plus; Amaya didn't look that bad! LaRon Landry wildest dreams - likely tagged...

Free Safety

Michael Griffin is the target; if Landry were somehow signed, then the coaching staff geauxs to work on one big reclaimation project in Jenkins; really like our depth with Abdul-Quddus...

Biggest assessments are Will Smith and Jon Vilma - do they have enough left in the tank? Is it time to geaux youth there?

With draft picks you geaux best available with eyes on some of these guys *Bobby Wagner, OLB, *Markelle Martin, FS, *Chase Minnifield, CB, George Iloka, FS, Kendall Reyes, DT, *Tank Carder, OLB, *Josh Norman, CB, *Bruce Irvin, OLB, *Matt Conrath, DT, Malik Jackson, DE, Terrell Manning, OLB, Demario Davis, OLB (*-Favored)

Basically I'm blowing up a Defense that hasn't been improved talent and scheme over two years; oh, and I get Darren Sharper back into the fold as a coach/consultant/scout...

Now, does that about cover it?
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:49 PM   #18
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Fix the defense.............alright let's get some duct tape and get started.
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Old 02-04-2012, 01:12 AM   #19
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major changes on defense? nope i am not looking for any real major changes.

I am looking to see better depth added to the group as a whole.

Cameron Jordan is a should be solid strong side DE. Wilson at SLB I love especially with the TE playing now. Granted both are work in progress but i do like what i saw in 2011.

WLB is an interesting situation. Wilson swing to WLB? he has the speed. Who goes to SLB? Yet another reason to like Wilson. He allows us to draft or go after a FA to upgrade either position,

OLB is the big move i think the saints MAY make.

Stephen Tulloch wlb nice pick

but i am looking at players like

Jo-Lonn Dunbar, OLB, Saints
Wesley Woodyard, OLB, Broncos

for a look see
Patrick Bailey, OLB, Titans

DE and DT can be improved with the draft or mid level FA.

Jason Jones, DT, Titans
Nate Collins, DT, Jaguars

Secondary? thats the tough area.

Tracy Porter, CB, Saints
William Middleton, CB, Jaguars

Safety
Dwight Lowery, CB/SS/FS, Jaguars. Age: 26


Most of the yardage given up by the saints in running downs was through the back door. cut back and the saints over play killed them over and over again.

! OLB and resign the bulk of the line and draft good depth is about all i see happening this year on the defensive side of the ball


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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Strong Safety

Jenkins and Harper Battle royale - the winner will be made better - savings on loser released/traded would be a plus; Amaya didn't look that bad! LaRon Landry wildest dreams - likely tagged...
Keeping Harper will cost us about 7 million for 2012.

Cutting or trading Harper will cost us 17 million for 2012, and we'd have to sign his replacement, which would be at least another 4 million for a comparable player.

I'm thinking we keep him.
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