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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; God forbid he'd have been the only back to groove on... But I'm with you, Matt. In a way. Because I'm hoping for more than the best. Alaska...

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Old 02-24-2012, 02:26 AM   #21
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God forbid he'd have been the only back to groove on...

But I'm with you, Matt. In a way. Because I'm hoping for more than the best.

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Old 02-24-2012, 10:05 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
Agreed. He did everything he was asked to do this year.
I'm usually a sunshiner when it comes to the Saints, but this one was disappointing to me. When he was healthy, he averaged less than 4 yards per carry behind one of the best lines in football. The injuries were disappointing as well. Come on guys, are there really only two or three people on this board that are second-guessing this guy's ability to deliver first-round pick results on the field? I appreciate optimism, but Ingram just was not very good.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:43 AM   #23
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Here are some Rookie stats:

I will leave AP out of this, because he's a freak.

MJD: 941 yards, 5.7 average, 13 TD's (More than AP)

McFadden: 499 yrds, 4.4 avg, 4 TD's

PT (Rookie): 252 yrds, 4.8 avg, 5 TD's

PT (2011): 562 yrds, 5.1 avg, 5 TD's

MI: 474 yrds, 3.9 avg, 5 TD's

Is what we expect from rookies too much? If we take what rookies do their first season, PT would be gone. I think stats can be misleading sometimes. Lets look at Darren Sproles' numbers...

DS (career): Rushing: 1,757 yrds (603 with Saints), 5.2 avg, 8 TD's

Recieving: 2,110 (710 with Saints), 9.1 avg, 18 TD's

Now those are not really impressive numbers. But who wants Darren off this team?

The Saints are not a rushing juggernaut team. We have 4 RB's that are great. That is a very good problem to have. None of our RB's are gonna have 1,000 yrd years. Our offense isn't set up to do that. I was very happy with Mark this year. Hate he had the toe injury. I really think he would have finished with 600 yrds this year. I understand your disappointment, but again, don't we expect too much from our rookies?

I would compare College guys going into the NFL; like expecting a person who has been driving a car for 20 years to getting in a NASCAR racecar and saying, "Win or else".

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Old 02-24-2012, 10:49 AM   #24
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"The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being Rookie of the Year is me". -Sean Payton
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"The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being Rookie of the Year is me". -Sean Payton
and Chuck Norris
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:31 AM   #26
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Originally Posted by FinSaint View Post
I have to disagree with you on that one. I think he had a good rookie season under difficult circumstances - I'd give him a B- for his overall performance.

I don't think Jordan was picked mainly because of his pass rush, but his ability to stop the run, and that is what he did very well. He'll be better with the pass rush as he gets more experience against NFL O-linemen, and hopefully with an improved pass rush from the big guys in the middle.

Most importantly, I don't recall any "brain-farts" from him during the season, which shows to me that he is intelligent and that bodes well for his future in the black & gold.

Of course, it could be that I had a different perception of his performances because I didn't honestly have high expectations for him going into the season.
Fin come on the was a first round pick and he had no sacks thats what he was drafted for. He was a disappointment
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:13 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
"The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being Rookie of the Year is me". -Sean Payton
i'm glad u brought that up danno.payton believed, i were not disappointed at all with ingram give him 25 plus carries a game with this (passing offense)and see where this thread goes. its not fair to grade him when he was sharing lots of carries.
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:44 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
I'm usually a sunshiner when it comes to the Saints, but this one was disappointing to me. When he was healthy, he averaged less than 4 yards per carry behind one of the best lines in football. The injuries were disappointing as well. Come on guys, are there really only two or three people on this board that are second-guessing this guy's ability to deliver first-round pick results on the field? I appreciate optimism, but Ingram just was not very good.

Again, he was mostly given the ball in short yardage situations, so it would be ludicrous to demand that a rookie would continuously break out on long runs when the blocking schemes of the O-line don't support that in the given situation.

Just look at Ingram's TD runs against SF and the Texans from this highlight video, and tell me that this kid doesn't have the talent to be an elite RB.

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Fin come on the was a first round pick and he had no sacks thats what he was drafted for. He was a disappointment

Well then I have to say that the scouting department did an awful job, because everyone knew that Jordan's strength coming out of college was his run stopping ability.

If he hadn't been as good against the run as he was - I'd agree with your assessment, but I can't because he was.

...and he did have a sack!
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Fin come on the was a first round pick and he had no sacks thats what he was drafted for. He was a disappointment
He wasn't drafted to get sacks. He's a LDE.
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