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hitta 03-04-2012 08:48 PM

Something doesn't add up
 
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Although head coach Sean Payton was not a direct participant in the funding or administration of the program, he was aware of the allegations, did not make any detailed inquiry or otherwise seek to learn the facts, and failed to stop the bounty program. He never instructed his assistant coaches or players that a bounty program was improper and could not continue.
For starters, I don't see how a player could be the rat, as there's no way a player could ascertain any information regarding conversations between players and coaches. But even then, how would coaches even know if there weren't conversations that were taking place behind closed doors with Gregg Williams and Sean Payton. I don't see any way possible that there could be evidence of this, quite frankly it sounds rather fishy to me.

WhoDat!656 03-04-2012 08:54 PM

I doubt Payton has much interaction with the defensive players.

I've never heard of an offensive player being a participant in a bounty to hurt another player.

hitta 03-04-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 382816)
I doubt Payton has much interaction with the defensive players.

I've never heard of an offensive player being a participant in a bounty to hurt another player.

Well yes, but the notion that Sean Payton did nothing to stop it is almost improvable unless he endorsed it, which the investigation stated that he never did. It doesn't add up, it's like they are stating a finding without anything that could possibly back it up.

CharityMike 03-04-2012 09:41 PM

This whole thing is fishy! Show me the EVIDENCE!!

alleycat_126 03-04-2012 10:23 PM

While you guys are eating the math of this, explain this to me. I'll take the worst offender from last year. A one Roman Harper, racked up at least 37,500 dollars in fines last year.

15,000 for an after the play hit and scuffle with WR Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers.
15,000 for a hit administered to Matt Hasselback
7,500 dollars for a facemask on Tennessee's Damian Williams

Where the hell does that 1,500 help him here!!!!

Beastmode 03-04-2012 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 382841)
While you guys are eating the math of this, explain this to me. I'll take the worst offender from last year. A one Roman Harper, racked up at least 37,500 dollars in fines last year.

15,000 for an after the play hit and scuffle with WR Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers.
15,000 for a hit administered to Matt Hasselback
7,500 dollars for a facemask on Tennessee's Damian Williams

Where the hell does that 1,500 help him here!!!!

If 1500 seem insignificant think about how much each player had to contribute to the pot, something like $50. This is what makes no sense to me. Why even waste your time on such a trivial amount of money. There are conflicting reports on how much money was actually involved as well.

SaintPauly 03-05-2012 01:08 AM

This whole thing makes no sense.... And how espn could break the story, before the investigation was even over, ALSO very suspicious..... I for one, am hoping there is way more to this story, and the whole thing blows up in Adam Sphincter's face....

SmashMouth 03-05-2012 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintPauly (Post 382855)
This whole thing makes no sense.... And how espn could break the story, before the investigation was even over, ALSO very suspicious..... I for one, am hoping there is way more to this story, and the whole thing blows up in Adam Sphincter's face....

Slow NFL news time of year .... LOL

BIGEASY504 03-05-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 382815)
For starters, I don't see how a player could be the rat, as there's no way a player could ascertain any information regarding conversations between players and coaches. But even then, how would coaches even know if there weren't conversations that were taking place behind closed doors with Gregg Williams and Sean Payton. I don't see any way possible that there could be evidence of this, quite frankly it sounds rather fishy to me.

I have to agree with THIS assessment! Players at least my impression don't snitch; every team has this going on and if they say they don't they're a $%^# lie!!!! off top plan and simple - unless he's disgruntled. Every team though has a team snitch and he called " the teams UNNAMED SOURCE"

BIGEASY504 03-05-2012 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 382846)
If 1500 seem insignificant think about how much each player had to contribute to the pot, something like $50. This is what makes no sense to me. Why even waste your time on such a trivial amount of money. There are conflicting reports on how much money was actually involved as well.

EXACTLY - the fines are way more than the pot so why do it - this is BS and I think they're trying to make an example out of the Saints. If this was the case than Williams should have been investigated a long time ago as he had aggressive defense in Washington, Bills and in Jacksonville

arsaint 03-06-2012 10:25 AM

The math never has made sense to me.

You (as a player) are going to lay one or multiple "kill shots" on a player to try to get him out of the game for a percentage of what you're going to be fined by the league???

I know not every NFL player scores a 50 on their Wonderlic test, but anyone with a few brain cells above 0 can figure out that is not a money-making proposition.

AsylumGuido 03-06-2012 10:43 AM

These performance pools have little to do with the money. It is exactly the same thing as the stickers you see on college helmets. Players get recognized in the Monday film sessions for accomplishments on the field. In college you get a Buckeye or Bone sticker. In the NFL you get a token payment from the pot. I'll bet you that if the NFL allowed helmet stickers there would be no pools.

And, I will guarantee you that if a hit by a college player results in a player being carted off the field that player would leave that film session with a new sticker for his collection.

arsaint 03-06-2012 10:46 AM

OK, if we're going there that it is not about $$$, then I blame ESPN first and foremost.

A lot of these athletes are ALWAYS looking for their "SportsCenter moment".

ESPN is just as guilty for creating this "subculture" of the NFL because they always show all the hard hits on their highlights.


Can we have their network fined and Tom Jackson and a few others suspended for half a season???

Mardigras9 03-06-2012 11:10 AM

We are the fall guys for this crap. They made the mistake by not stopping it when the league told them to.


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