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hagan714 03-04-2012 09:12 PM

Bounties? LMAO Sorry, Show me the cheap shoots!
 
What is the big deal? I do not get it.

Show me the illegal hits that put a player out of the game that was not already caused a fine or suspension. Deal with those as evidence. Not the legal hit clips played on espn over and over. My favorite is the one with Kurt Warner. I still ROFLMA every time i see it. He could have made that tackle or at least slowed the ball carrier down.

GOOD LEGAL HIT!

Now Espn is the ET of sporting news and yet every now then they mess up and put the wrong guest on. Opps one ex player messed up and said:

The Bounty is not as bad as the Spy Gate because it was not cheating.

I love when the media of non player start their screaming and the nfl pushes for the response to protect an offense favored game that is all about the number of viewers they can attract. For those of you that know me this is an old horse i have beaten to death.

Death of defense in all pro sports all for the sake of TV rating.

Now if anyone has played any sport or coached we are all guilty of breaking this new Holy Grail of the sports world. So you no longer assign a defensive player to shadow an offensive player? God for bid you fire him up to do the best job he can.

Sorry kids no more pizza for winning.

God also knows i have promised a reward to players to get them to play at their best or give that 110% we drill in every players head. Simple put crush their assignment. So be it if they get carted off the field. As long as it was clean it is cool. It is the risk we accepted as part of the game. We all know that teams are gunning to stop the other teams weapons. Hell that goes all the way back to pee wee times.

"Feel for you dude but the game goes on. NEXT!!!!!"

I am sick of this so show me the cheap shoot or shut the F up. :doh:

FinSaint 03-04-2012 09:22 PM

I agree with your notions.

The problem here is that it so happens that Goodell was probably picked on as a kid, and now he is on this crusade to make watching football miserable for all of those who like the physical side of the game.

Even though this "bounty" program had very little effect on what happened on-field - at least what we can perceive - Goodell wants to makes this a big deal because it coincides with his crusade to turn NFL into a flag football league.

hagan714 03-04-2012 09:24 PM

Your right Goodell is a Winnie

CharityMike 03-04-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 382824)
Your right Goodell is a Winnie

I think you mean

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SaintPauly 03-05-2012 01:22 AM

I look forward to the days, where every defense in the league, plays every game, like they do the probowl.... It's funny to me, that Goodell complained about that, when it's all his doing to begin with...

Mardigras9 03-05-2012 09:36 AM

It's in all levels of football. Offensive, defensive, special teams......side bets are in all aspects. College players get stickers on their helmets for the same things. WTF?

RaginCajun83 03-05-2012 09:39 AM

So do colleges have to stop handing out helmet stickers cause that's a pay for play system too

darstep 03-05-2012 09:43 AM

Greg Williams should get his money back, if he paid out any at all.
Times article jokes about taking Sean Payton out, was the best hit in the last 2 years,
and an offensive guy made that hit.
Everybody in the organization knew this was coming.
Williams may have left town to soften the blow.
Thanks GW.

Danno 03-05-2012 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 382919)
So do colleges have to stop handing out helmet stickers cause that's a pay for play system too

And will players be fined for high-fiving and chest-bumping after monster hits?

jokeray 03-05-2012 09:53 AM

you guys are missing the mark. it's not about getting a little something extra for "big plays". It's about being rewarded for injuring someone.

Danno 03-05-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jokeray (Post 382937)
It's about being rewarded for injuring someone.

All defensive players are rewarded for hurting their opponents, its called their contracts.

jokeray 03-05-2012 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 382943)
All defensive players are rewarded for hurting their opponents, its called their contracts.

um, no.

Danno 03-05-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jokeray (Post 382948)
um, no.

In flag football? no.

In the NFL? yes.

jokeray 03-05-2012 10:10 AM

really? so the players who injure the most players get paid the most money?

no.

Mardigras9 03-05-2012 10:12 AM

There are a ton of "big hitters" in the Hall of Fame who, if they played today, would live in Goddell's office for lesser hits than what we are talking about.

Danno 03-05-2012 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jokeray (Post 382958)
really? so the players who injure the most players get paid the most money?

no.

Aggressive hard hitting defensive players are most certainly rewarded.

Draft profiles don't list "big hitter" in the Negatives section.

jokeray 03-05-2012 10:16 AM

you guys are getting "big hitters" and players trying to get a little extra money from injuring others confused.

Look, I'd be pissed if something like this happened to my team also. But I'd be pissed at the team, not Suh, not the Patriots.

SloMotion 03-05-2012 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jokeray (Post 382968)
players trying to get a little extra money

... because a million-dollar athlete needs a $1500 incentive to make a hit that will cost him $20,000.00 in fines ... still trying to bait the board, J?

jokeray 03-05-2012 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 382971)
... because a million-dollar athlete needs a $1500 incentive to make a hit that will cost him $20,000.00 in fines ... still trying to bait the board, J?

then why were they doing it?!


also, please give me your HONEST opinion about this.

No, not trying to bait anything, sorry you hate me, you need to get over it.

SloMotion 03-05-2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jokeray (Post 382972)
then why were they doing it?!


also, please give me your HONEST opinion about this.

No, not trying to bait anything, sorry you hate me, you need to get over it.

:popcorn:
Well Skippy, if you were truly hear for 'football talk' you would have seen my HONEST opinion about this ... it's been posted. Not that it would matter any, because you'd try to bait/flame me on it anyway. Didn't you once tell me, "I goof around 90% of the time" ... but wait, this is your 10%, right? I don't hate you dude, actually, I really don't think about you all that much. Don't flatter yourself.

FinSaint 03-05-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jokeray (Post 382937)
you guys are missing the mark. it's not about getting a little something extra for "big plays". It's about being rewarded for injuring someone.


And you are missing the mark also in that causing an injury was only one item on the whole list of on-field "performances" for which a player could be rewarded.

The media has made that the scoop, because it intrigues readers/viewers when you make it the whole point of emphasis - the sole idea behind the "performance system" was not to pay players "extra" for injuring players, but to encourage them to perform better on the field in general.

But having included that on the list of "performances" which would be rewarded is something that seems to separate this particular "bounty" system from its stereotype which almost all the teams seem to have in some form or another.

And that decision - going by what the reports are saying - was made by GW and, therefore, it would only be logical to target him as the main culprit behind this illegal activity.

jokeray 03-05-2012 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 383139)
And that decision - going by what the reports are saying - was made by GW and, therefore, it would only be logical to target him as the main culprit behind this illegal activity.

And I totally agree with this part of your post.

FinSaint 03-05-2012 04:29 PM

Yes, but it still doesn't mean that the other parties will or should be relieved of their responsibilities concerning the said activity.

jokeray 03-05-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 383151)
Yes, but it still doesn't mean that the other parties will or should be relieved of their responsibilities concerning the said activity.

not relieved, but fair punishment based on the level of involvement. I don't think it's right to give the same punishment to all involved.

Pete 03-05-2012 04:44 PM

I hope we hit harder than ever next year!Eat **** goodell.EAT FKN ****

Beastmode 03-05-2012 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jokeray (Post 382972)
then why were they doing it?!


also, please give me your HONEST opinion about this.

No, not trying to bait anything, sorry you hate me, you need to get over it.

All teams were doing it, or at least a majority of them. Have you listen to any of the former players. GW didn't start the program. It's been a part of the game since day one.


When college football first started the object was to take the BEST player(s) out of the game. There were something like 30 deaths until the Prez stepped in with the NCAA. So why do it? Comradery, respect, bragging rights, winning.

It's a black eye on the NFL and they want it stopped. They can't go after every team so what do you do? You go after the team that has the best evidence against them and throw the book at em'. It sends a clear message to the rest of the teams that this part of the game will no longer be tolerated.

Euphoria 03-05-2012 04:54 PM

Oh you most certain go after every team. You have to hold anyone and everyone accountable.

NFL is being sued by players saying that they didn't do enough to protect them.

So everyone who raises question will be looked at and held accountable. GW was called to NY for questioning to see what other teams he was doing this with and confirm other reports coming to light. The Saints are just the most prominent ones out right now but there will be more... stay tuned.

What is going to be funny is that in a way the Rams are going to be suffer penalty by their DC being suspended or even worse... so technically this will affect other teams already.

Beastmode 03-05-2012 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 383174)
Oh you most certain go after every team. You have to hold anyone and everyone accountable.

NFL is being sued by players saying that they didn't do enough to protect them.

So everyone who raises question will be looked at and held accountable. GW was called to NY for questioning to see what other teams he was doing this with and confirm other reports coming to light. The Saints are just the most prominent ones out right now but there will be more... stay tuned.

What is going to be funny is that in a way the Rams are going to be suffer penalty by their DC being suspended or even worse... so technically this will affect other teams already.

It seems they are focusing on one person, since that one person is associated with mulitple teams and could widen their scope enough within the statute of limitations to make a couple more examples. Beyond that though, I don't see it going any further than the Saints, Jags, Redskins.

FinSaint 03-05-2012 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 383181)
Beyond that though, I don't see it going any further than the Saints, Jags, Redskins.


...Bills, Titans/Oilers - Fisher isn't a fairplay poster boy himself, so maybe the BFFs share more than we knew before.

Seer1 03-05-2012 05:46 PM

Just to play the devil's advocate, maybe that's one of the reasons our defense sucked last year. They were so focused on going for the "big hits" they forgot about the small hits that really make a defense work. (Well that and GW calling the same blitz twenty times a game.)

Of course I don't remember that many players being carted off each game either.

FinSaint 03-05-2012 05:47 PM

It seemed to me that they weren't focused on any hits, big or small.

nola_swammi 03-05-2012 06:46 PM

Tom Jackson, (the commentator for espn) is a joke. He said that he tried to (HURT) player that come across the middle but he didn't try to injure them (3:29)... Then he goes on by saying that he's not trying to (HURT) a guy (3:52) hmm,,, i think Tom one of the guys who like to talk but have no idea what he talking about..... AND!!!!Steve Young, sue the saints, REALLY!!! ON WHAT GROUND! most of the saints hits were legal and if not how can they be sued when the league HARSH FINES ($10,000 min -$100,000) on a illegal hit ,, oh yeah what is the bounty a $1,000 & supposely 10,000 for favre? JUST SEEMS TO ME A PLAYER SAID THAT I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOUR FINE & TO NOT HOLD BACK IN PLAYING FOOTBALL.





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OldMaid 03-05-2012 06:54 PM

It is getting crazy and so the owners have to have Goodell penalize GW.
Investigate all teams he coached on.
Fine him, GW.
Over and out and call this done.
Advice to all teams is that this practice must stop. The bounty practice must stop and using the words bounty and injury, cart off , etc., must stop.
Incentives like receiving watches, dinners, gifts, etc. by coaches, players, qb's are ok.


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