Nice trade up scenario...

Danno · 04-05-2004, 12:34 PM

http://www.otcdraft.com/mocks/
1a. Jonathan Vilma
1b. Derrick Strait (trading both seconds for about the 24th pick)
This would be absolutely ideal.
Two guys who would start on opening day.
They address both weaknesses very very well.
They'd be stars for a long time in this league.
But would Denver bite?

Our 3rd round pick would then be who?
Another CB?, WR?, LB? FB? DT?

I'd nix the DT until Pease hashes out what he has and who he wants to keep.
I think a good FB can be had 5th round or later.
I think we'd be OK with a trio from Vilma, Grant, Hodge, Rodgers, Ruff and Allen.
I think the biggest need would then a CB to develop.

saintsfan1313 · 04-05-2004, 04:33 PM

I normally agree with you Danno, but can\'t on this one. i dont think Strait is a 1st round quality player. I think we would benefit more with the 2 2nd rounders. Vilma is the right pick, but giving up that much for Strait isnt. We can take Vasher and/or Thomas, LeSeuer, Smith, or anyone, just not Strait for 2 2nd\'s

Boogro · 04-05-2004, 04:44 PM

I agree with saintsfan, I think giving our 2 2nds is a little too steep just to draft Strait.

Danno · 04-05-2004, 04:52 PM

I normally agree with you Danno, but can\'t on this one. i dont think Strait is a 1st round quality player. I think we would benefit more with the 2 2nd rounders. Vilma is the right pick, but giving up that much for Strait isnt. We can take Vasher and/or Thomas, LeSeuer, Smith, or anyone, just not Strait for 2 2nd\'s

How about Batman Carrol as a late 1st? I\'ve read good things about him too.

I just love Vilma, but I\'m afraid all the CB\'s that could help us in 2004 will be gone by 2A.
But all this is speculative based on us not signing a June 1 cut, or a marked-down Dale Carter though.

But its possible to still get some great CB\'s in the 2nd. Only 8 CB\'s were drafted thru 3 rounds last year, so we can still probably get a couple top 10 CB\'s with 2A and 2B.

I\'m getting to anxious....must be patient...keep that poker face...

Boogro · 04-05-2004, 04:57 PM

breathe....breathe....breathe...better now? I know how you feel, man. feels like February, not much happening, waiting anxiously for free agency, in this case the draft. I when we all sit down and imagine the possibilities, it\'s hard not to get pumped up.

saintsfan200 · 04-05-2004, 05:09 PM

I\'d like to see us trade up to 14 or 15(via Horn + 18, or one of our seconds + 18, and then trade Horn for picks) and select Reggie Williams if he is still available.

Then we can get best available LB and CB in second round.

Why? Well, this is a great reciever draft, and if a talent like Reggie Williams goes as far down as 16- I don\'t see him slipping past the 49ers- , we need to take advantage. Additionally, there is alot of value in th 2nd and 3rd round for CB and LB. However, many of the first round ILBs or CBs either aren\'t worth a mid-first round selection or will go high in the draft(1-12).

BlackandBlue · 04-05-2004, 05:47 PM

trade Horn for picks

Regardless of the baggage, a receiver that goes to three out of four pro bowls deserves a little respect. And in the year that he didn\'t go to the pro bowl, he put up one of the finer performances I\'ve seen against Carolina. In that game, he sucked it up and played injured and made two catches for touchdowns, one of which, only a select few in the NFL could have made. After both, he had to be helped off the field by his teammates. I would have a hard time swallowing him being traded for draft picks.

Euphoria · 04-05-2004, 08:44 PM

Trading up is the wrong thing to do this draft. Trading down and picking up a 2 or 3 rounder is the BEST thing we can do... Talent is there and deep this draft. Strait is good and will be there in the second baring any rush on a given position.

saintsfan1313 · 04-05-2004, 11:19 PM

good point Euphoria, with the defense being so deep in this draft, trading down is the best thing, unless your a team seeking a franchise offensive player. i think there will be at least 4 quality corners in the 2nd when we come up, and maybe some more when we select againt later that round. ALSO, Horn needs to stay around. They fired his coach and i would take that as a slap in the face as well. Despite his one or 2 outburst, the kid as balls, and he showed that against Carolina(BlackandBlue good point), so 3 things.
1. Keep Horn
2. Get Vilma
3. Go CB both 2nd\'s(Vasher and Leseuer)

vulture · 04-06-2004, 12:45 AM

I almost agree with Saintsfan1313; except don\'t dismiss what exactly we could get for Horn. He is getting along in age and I believe getting a #1 would be worth it taking a look at. Then packaging one of our #1s and a number 2 to move into the top ten, select Hall and with the second #1 take Vilma/D.J.Williams/best available WR. In the second round I\'m a big fan of CB Keith Smith/McNeese St.; fast, good size and might slip coming from a small school.

04-05-2004, 04:33 PM	#2
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	Nice trade up scenario... I normally agree with you Danno, but can\'t on this one. i dont think Strait is a 1st round quality player. I think we would benefit more with the 2 2nd rounders. Vilma is the right pick, but giving up that much for Strait isnt. We can take Vasher and/or Thomas, LeSeuer, Smith, or anyone, just not Strait for 2 2nd\'s

04-05-2004, 04:44 PM	#3
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	Nice trade up scenario... I agree with saintsfan, I think giving our 2 2nds is a little too steep just to draft Strait.

04-05-2004, 04:52 PM	#4
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Nice trade up scenario... I normally agree with you Danno, but can\'t on this one. i dont think Strait is a 1st round quality player. I think we would benefit more with the 2 2nd rounders. Vilma is the right pick, but giving up that much for Strait isnt. We can take Vasher and/or Thomas, LeSeuer, Smith, or anyone, just not Strait for 2 2nd\'s How about Batman Carrol as a late 1st? I\'ve read good things about him too. I just love Vilma, but I\'m afraid all the CB\'s that could help us in 2004 will be gone by 2A. But all this is speculative based on us not signing a June 1 cut, or a marked-down Dale Carter though. But its possible to still get some great CB\'s in the 2nd. Only 8 CB\'s were drafted thru 3 rounds last year, so we can still probably get a couple top 10 CB\'s with 2A and 2B. I\'m getting to anxious....must be patient...keep that poker face...

04-05-2004, 04:57 PM	#5
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	Nice trade up scenario... breathe....breathe....breathe...better now? I know how you feel, man. feels like February, not much happening, waiting anxiously for free agency, in this case the draft. I when we all sit down and imagine the possibilities, it\'s hard not to get pumped up.

04-05-2004, 05:09 PM	#6
saintsfan200 Registered Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 67	Nice trade up scenario... I\'d like to see us trade up to 14 or 15(via Horn + 18, or one of our seconds + 18, and then trade Horn for picks) and select Reggie Williams if he is still available. Then we can get best available LB and CB in second round. Why? Well, this is a great reciever draft, and if a talent like Reggie Williams goes as far down as 16- I don\'t see him slipping past the 49ers- , we need to take advantage. Additionally, there is alot of value in th 2nd and 3rd round for CB and LB. However, many of the first round ILBs or CBs either aren\'t worth a mid-first round selection or will go high in the draft(1-12).
saintsfan200 Registered Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 67

04-05-2004, 12:34 PM	#1
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Nice trade up scenario... http://www.otcdraft.com/mocks/ 1a. Jonathan Vilma 1b. Derrick Strait (trading both seconds for about the 24th pick) This would be absolutely ideal. Two guys who would start on opening day. They address both weaknesses very very well. They'd be stars for a long time in this league. But would Denver bite? Our 3rd round pick would then be who? Another CB?, WR?, LB? FB? DT? I'd nix the DT until Pease hashes out what he has and who he wants to keep. I think a good FB can be had 5th round or later. I think we'd be OK with a trio from Vilma, Grant, Hodge, Rodgers, Ruff and Allen. I think the biggest need would then a CB to develop.

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04-05-2004, 05:47 PM	#7
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Nice trade up scenario... trade Horn for picks Regardless of the baggage, a receiver that goes to three out of four pro bowls deserves a little respect. And in the year that he didn\'t go to the pro bowl, he put up one of the finer performances I\'ve seen against Carolina. In that game, he sucked it up and played injured and made two catches for touchdowns, one of which, only a select few in the NFL could have made. After both, he had to be helped off the field by his teammates. I would have a hard time swallowing him being traded for draft picks.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

04-05-2004, 08:44 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Nice trade up scenario... Trading up is the wrong thing to do this draft. Trading down and picking up a 2 or 3 rounder is the BEST thing we can do... Talent is there and deep this draft. Strait is good and will be there in the second baring any rush on a given position.

04-05-2004, 11:19 PM	#9
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	Nice trade up scenario... good point Euphoria, with the defense being so deep in this draft, trading down is the best thing, unless your a team seeking a franchise offensive player. i think there will be at least 4 quality corners in the 2nd when we come up, and maybe some more when we select againt later that round. ALSO, Horn needs to stay around. They fired his coach and i would take that as a slap in the face as well. Despite his one or 2 outburst, the kid as balls, and he showed that against Carolina(BlackandBlue good point), so 3 things. 1. Keep Horn 2. Get Vilma 3. Go CB both 2nd\'s(Vasher and Leseuer)
	is this all really happening????

04-06-2004, 12:45 AM	#10
vulture Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 83	Nice trade up scenario... I almost agree with Saintsfan1313; except don\'t dismiss what exactly we could get for Horn. He is getting along in age and I believe getting a #1 would be worth it taking a look at. Then packaging one of our #1s and a number 2 to move into the top ten, select Hall and with the second #1 take Vilma/D.J.Williams/best available WR. In the second round I\'m a big fan of CB Keith Smith/McNeese St.; fast, good size and might slip coming from a small school.
vulture Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 83