Full statement from the NFL on the Saints 'bounty' program

03-06-2012, 09:30 AM

This whole situation reminds me of watching the Saints in the 90s. *Leading through the first half* "Man we are doing really great, now how are we gonna screw this up" *3 4th Quarter INTs and a safety later* "Yep, that's about right"

NOS2SB · 03-06-2012, 09:31 AM

Roger Goodell is slowly changing the game to flag football.

Euphoria · 03-06-2012, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by NOS2SB

Roger Goodell is slowly changing the game to flag football.

That isn't a fair comment for this situation.

You don't pay a player to hurt another player... you pay them to play football.

Euphoria · 03-06-2012, 10:28 AM

I think its pretty easy to figure out who got paid for the knock outs are carted off bonus'...

No one.

There were not player taken out or carted off during these games. Close calls but most of the hits to them were legal hits.

However just because a player didn't get the money doesn't ok the situation.

Halo · 03-06-2012, 10:32 AM

We have more work to do and we will do it.”

You sure do, get back to work....

alexonfyre · 03-06-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I think its pretty easy to figure out who got paid for the knock outs are carted off bonus'...

No one.

There were not player taken out or carted off during these games. Close calls but most of the hits to them were legal hits.

However just because a player didn't get the money doesn't ok the situation.

Locker Room conversation:

Player 1: Alright, big hits, you get $500 for lighting someone up on film. You get an extra G if they don't come back into the game

Player 2: If they get hurt?

Player 1: Nah, just out of the game

Player 2: What if they need the cart?

Player 1: Yeah, no bonus if they get the cart

Player 3: But hey, I knocked him out didn't I? If I hit him hard and he needs the cart, that ain't my fault, especially if it's clean...

Player 1: Fine...you get a G for knocking someone out, but you only get half if they need the cart. Now money in the hat! Le' go!

SloMotion · 03-06-2012, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

But SloMotion, it doesn't matter if anyone collected from the program or not. As bad as our defense has been the last couple of years, I doubt that anyone did collect. But the fact that money was on the table is what's wrong. I think this is not going away just because players didn't collect. This is going to be around and will be hurting us for a long time.

Yeah, I understand that just because the program was in place is a violation, but what I'm trying to grasp is the seriousness of the allegations if nobody was ever actually 'carted off' or 'knocked out'. It can't be an assault/battery type thing, more of a non-contractual bonus payments type thing.

I'm not thinking it's going away and realize it will hurt for some time, I'm just thinking the Saints are getting fried by the media for something (cart-off/knocked-out) that basically never happened. The payments did, the incentive program did, but the injuries or payment for injuries, did not.

It's like being convicted for thinking about committing a crime without actually doing it.

.... I got a headache ....

alexonfyre · 03-06-2012, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Yeah, I understand that just because the program was in place is a violation, but what I'm trying to grasp is the seriousness of the allegations if nobody was ever actually 'carted off' or 'knocked out'. It can't be an assault/battery type thing, more of a non-contractual bonus payments type thing.

I'm not thinking it's going away and realize it will hurt for some time, I'm just thinking the Saints are getting fried by the media for something (cart-off/knocked-out) that basically never happened. The payments did, the incentive program did, but the injuries or payment for injuries, did not.

It's like being convicted for thinking about committing a crime without actually doing it.

.... I got a headache ....

Or being convicted of conspiracy to commit a crime...which usually carries the same penalties as the crime itself...

SloMotion · 03-06-2012, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

Or being convicted of conspiracy to commit a crime...which usually carries the same penalties as the crime itself...

... that sucks, didn't know they could do that. Guess I don't hang around enough lawbreakers,

.... j/k.

03-06-2012, 09:30 AM	#11
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03-06-2012, 10:25 AM	#13
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by NOS2SB Roger Goodell is slowly changing the game to flag football. That isn't a fair comment for this situation. You don't pay a player to hurt another player... you pay them to play football.

03-06-2012, 10:35 AM	#16
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by Euphoria I think its pretty easy to figure out who got paid for the knock outs are carted off bonus'... No one. There were not player taken out or carted off during these games. Close calls but most of the hits to them were legal hits. However just because a player didn't get the money doesn't ok the situation. Locker Room conversation: Player 1: Alright, big hits, you get $500 for lighting someone up on film. You get an extra G if they don't come back into the game Player 2: If they get hurt? Player 1: Nah, just out of the game Player 2: What if they need the cart? Player 1: Yeah, no bonus if they get the cart Player 3: But hey, I knocked him out didn't I? If I hit him hard and he needs the cart, that ain't my fault, especially if it's clean... Player 1: Fine...you get a G for knocking someone out, but you only get half if they need the cart. Now money in the hat! Le' go!

03-06-2012, 10:38 AM	#17
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka But SloMotion, it doesn't matter if anyone collected from the program or not. As bad as our defense has been the last couple of years, I doubt that anyone did collect. But the fact that money was on the table is what's wrong. I think this is not going away just because players didn't collect. This is going to be around and will be hurting us for a long time. Yeah, I understand that just because the program was in place is a violation, but what I'm trying to grasp is the seriousness of the allegations if nobody was ever actually 'carted off' or 'knocked out'. It can't be an assault/battery type thing, more of a non-contractual bonus payments type thing. I'm not thinking it's going away and realize it will hurt for some time, I'm just thinking the Saints are getting fried by the media for something (cart-off/knocked-out) that basically never happened. The payments did, the incentive program did, but the injuries or payment for injuries, did not. It's like being convicted for thinking about committing a crime without actually doing it. .... I got a headache ....

03-06-2012, 10:48 AM	#18
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by SloMotion Yeah, I understand that just because the program was in place is a violation, but what I'm trying to grasp is the seriousness of the allegations if nobody was ever actually 'carted off' or 'knocked out'. It can't be an assault/battery type thing, more of a non-contractual bonus payments type thing. I'm not thinking it's going away and realize it will hurt for some time, I'm just thinking the Saints are getting fried by the media for something (cart-off/knocked-out) that basically never happened. The payments did, the incentive program did, but the injuries or payment for injuries, did not. It's like being convicted for thinking about committing a crime without actually doing it. .... I got a headache .... Or being convicted of conspiracy to commit a crime...which usually carries the same penalties as the crime itself...

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03-06-2012, 09:31 AM	#12
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03-06-2012, 10:28 AM	#14
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I think its pretty easy to figure out who got paid for the knock outs are carted off bonus'... No one. There were not player taken out or carted off during these games. Close calls but most of the hits to them were legal hits. However just because a player didn't get the money doesn't ok the situation.

03-06-2012, 10:32 AM	#15
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03-06-2012, 11:05 AM	#19
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by alexonfyre Or being convicted of conspiracy to commit a crime...which usually carries the same penalties as the crime itself... ... that sucks, didn't know they could do that. Guess I don't hang around enough lawbreakers, .... j/k.

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