Clean house on "D"

Danno · 03-06-2012, 08:04 AM

I'm all for cleaning house, but not because of this over-blown bounty crap.

I want better players.

Euphoria · 03-06-2012, 08:27 AM

With a new Defense Coaching Staff...

If you look around we have some young talent actually.

I think you have to let the smoke settle, see what suspensions are and who got them. I think that will be the tell. If there are average players at best and long suspensions... we pick up a replacement in FA and cut them. Otherwise we should avoid knee jerk reactions for now.

QBREES9 · 03-06-2012, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm all for cleaning house, but not because of this over-blown bounty crap.

I want better players.

Great Point !

Danno · 03-06-2012, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

With a new Defense Coaching Staff...

If you look around we have some young talent actually.

I think you have to let the smoke settle, see what suspensions are and who got them. I think that will be the tell. If there are average players at best and long suspensions... we pick up a replacement in FA and cut them. Otherwise we should avoid knee jerk reactions for now.

Could not have said it any better.

FinSaint · 03-06-2012, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by darstep

Youngsters are a dime a dozen.
Mitch "Momma's Boy" King, never really got a chance to show his stuff last season.
There's a host of wanna be's that may shake out as actually having what it takes.
Too much dust in the air right now though ... can't see a thing.

King will hardly be the answer to the interior pass rush.

Which FA DE would you like to see the Saints sign or do you think they should just re-sign McBride and Charleston, and hope that Spags gets more out of the same guys the Saints had last season?

Like Danno said, the Saints need better players while keeping those who have good value.

Originally Posted by crawgator

As far as the defense goes, why did we over pay Will Smith? He has not been as good as he could have been and there are guys out there cheaper, and that can do a better job.

It had to be in-line with the earlier contract that was given to Charles Grant, which was a much worse overpayment than Smith's contract.

Mardigras9 · 03-06-2012, 11:34 AM

With 27 players named we don't have a choice but to expand our options.

SaintsBro · 03-06-2012, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

With 27 players named we don't have a choice but to expand our options.

I get what you are saying, and I totally agree. According to James Varney at the TImes Picayune, seven defenders now on the Saints' roster were consistent starters during the three seasons the NFL says the bounties were in place. So it's not looking good. This could be an extremely crazy season on defense. Right now we have absolutely no idea who is actually going to come running out the inflatable Saints tunnel in September when they announce the D.

BUT on the upside, there is every bit of evidence that a new coordinator with the relative same people/talent can produce an improvement. It happened with Gibbs in his first year here (NFC Championship game appearance). It happened with Williams in his first year here (Super Bowl win). Guys WILL play better for a new coach, knowing they are on the hot seat for their jobs (IF of course, they are allowed to play by the league and are not suspended). It happens that way everywhere around the league when a new coordinator comes in (San Francisco's D last year being a great example).

Mardigras9 · 03-06-2012, 12:20 PM

Maybe the defense's first play of the year should be a 15 yard unnecessary roughness just to make the statement that we are not going to play with kid gloves, it's still football. LOL

Rugby Saint II · 03-06-2012, 01:10 PM

I've come to the conclusion that if we are going to take hits to our draft picks then we are going to have to part with some our over paid vets. Vilma will undoubtedly be singled out and may be gone for a variety of reasons.
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03-06-2012, 08:04 AM	#11
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	I'm all for cleaning house, but not because of this over-blown bounty crap. I want better players. FinSaint likes this.

03-06-2012, 08:27 AM	#12
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	With a new Defense Coaching Staff... If you look around we have some young talent actually. I think you have to let the smoke settle, see what suspensions are and who got them. I think that will be the tell. If there are average players at best and long suspensions... we pick up a replacement in FA and cut them. Otherwise we should avoid knee jerk reactions for now. Danno likes this.

03-06-2012, 08:32 AM	#13
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Originally Posted by Danno I'm all for cleaning house, but not because of this over-blown bounty crap. I want better players. Great Point !

03-06-2012, 08:47 AM	#14
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by Euphoria With a new Defense Coaching Staff... If you look around we have some young talent actually. I think you have to let the smoke settle, see what suspensions are and who got them. I think that will be the tell. If there are average players at best and long suspensions... we pick up a replacement in FA and cut them. Otherwise we should avoid knee jerk reactions for now. Could not have said it any better.

03-06-2012, 09:16 AM	#15
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Originally Posted by darstep Youngsters are a dime a dozen. Mitch "Momma's Boy" King, never really got a chance to show his stuff last season. There's a host of wanna be's that may shake out as actually having what it takes. Too much dust in the air right now though ... can't see a thing. King will hardly be the answer to the interior pass rush. Which FA DE would you like to see the Saints sign or do you think they should just re-sign McBride and Charleston, and hope that Spags gets more out of the same guys the Saints had last season? Like Danno said, the Saints need better players while keeping those who have good value. Originally Posted by crawgator As far as the defense goes, why did we over pay Will Smith? He has not been as good as he could have been and there are guys out there cheaper, and that can do a better job. It had to be in-line with the earlier contract that was given to Charles Grant, which was a much worse overpayment than Smith's contract.

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03-06-2012, 11:34 AM	#16
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	With 27 players named we don't have a choice but to expand our options.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Mardigras9 With 27 players named we don't have a choice but to expand our options. I get what you are saying, and I totally agree. According to James Varney at the TImes Picayune, seven defenders now on the Saints' roster were consistent starters during the three seasons the NFL says the bounties were in place. So it's not looking good. This could be an extremely crazy season on defense. Right now we have absolutely no idea who is actually going to come running out the inflatable Saints tunnel in September when they announce the D. BUT on the upside, there is every bit of evidence that a new coordinator with the relative same people/talent can produce an improvement. It happened with Gibbs in his first year here (NFC Championship game appearance). It happened with Williams in his first year here (Super Bowl win). Guys WILL play better for a new coach, knowing they are on the hot seat for their jobs (IF of course, they are allowed to play by the league and are not suspended). It happens that way everywhere around the league when a new coordinator comes in (San Francisco's D last year being a great example). darstep likes this.

03-06-2012, 12:20 PM	#18
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Maybe the defense's first play of the year should be a 15 yard unnecessary roughness just to make the statement that we are not going to play with kid gloves, it's still football. LOL darstep likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,727	I've come to the conclusion that if we are going to take hits to our draft picks then we are going to have to part with some our over paid vets. Vilma will undoubtedly be singled out and may be gone for a variety of reasons. Injuries Bounty gate Age $

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