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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH! WILL SOMEBODY ANSWER MY ******** QUESTIONS? I think it should be noted that 1 player (Turley) said this team is a mickey mouse organization. Another had many bad things to say about the team, but also said he was ...

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Old 04-17-2004, 05:19 PM   #91
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AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!
WILL SOMEBODY ANSWER MY ******** QUESTIONS?
I think it should be noted that 1 player (Turley) said this team is a mickey mouse organization. Another had many bad things to say about the team, but also said he was as good a WR as Randy Moss. I think its safe to ignore this moron\'s comments.

So, if this current organization was so bad then why...

Why would a 1st class pro and high character guy like Ernie Conwell want to come here instead of stay in St Louis? The money was about the same. He was a teammate of Turley. Maybe he knew Turley was an idiot and discounted his comments about us.

Why would Wayne Gandy, a subperb person and professional come here if it were true?

Why would Terrell Smith say such nice things about the coach and organization AFTER leaving?

Why would Brian Cox, who will speak his mind in a flash, say such nice things about the Saints?

Why would Bryan Young, also a teammate of Turley, be so excited about coming here. Perhaps he also knows Turley\'s an idiot.

Why would Pease, a highly respected and sought after assistant choose to come here?
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Old 04-17-2004, 05:28 PM   #92
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Why would a 1st class pro and high character guy like Ernie Conwell want to come here instead of stay in St Louis?
Probably had something to do with money. Imagine that in the NFL. Mind blowing I know. Of course, that is just SPECULATION. You two blast us for speculating and now you want us to answer questions about the reason some person we\'ve never met made a decision?? OK - Gator can you please add that to the list as double standard number 5?

He was a teammate of Turley. Maybe he knew Turley was an idiot and discounted his comments about us.
I\'m tired of you passing off your opinion and speculation as fact. I will need at least five sources to confirm that comment.

Why would Wayne Gandy, a subperb person and professional come here if it were true?
Hhhmm. Money? Again. Oops - speculation. I can tell you why the two previous left tackles left though. They left b/c they disliked the coach and team\'s general management and direction. That IS a fact - unless of course we assume that their comments made in the national media were lies that they entered simply to further an agenda... isn\'t that right Saintfan?

Why would Terrell Smith say such nice things about the coach and organization AFTER leaving?
I\'m going to need proof showing me that he actually said anything. Thanks.

Why would Brian Cox, who will speak his mind in a flash, say such nice things about the Saints?
See above.

Why would Bryan Young, also a teammate of Turley, be so excited about coming here. Perhaps he also knows Turley\'s an idiot.
Again money - again YOU ARE SPECULATING. Tisk, tisk.

Why would Pease, a highly respected and sought after assistant choose to come here?
Money, but then again, that\'s speculation.



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Why would a 1st class pro and high character guy like Ernie Conwell want to come here instead of stay in St Louis?
Probably had something to do with money. Imagine that in the NFL. Mind blowing I know. Of course, that is just SPECULATION. You two blast us for speculating and now you want us to answer questions about the reason some person we\'ve never met made a decision?? OK - Gator can you please add that to the list as double standard number 5?

He was a teammate of Turley. Maybe he knew Turley was an idiot and discounted his comments about us.
I\'m tired of you passing off your opinion and speculation as fact. I will need at least five sources to confirm that comment.

Why would Wayne Gandy, a subperb person and professional come here if it were true?
Hhhmm. Money? Again. Oops - speculation. I can tell you why the two previous left tackles left though. They left b/c they disliked the coach and team\'s general management and direction. That IS a fact - unless of course we assume that their comments made in the national media were lies that they entered simply to further an agenda... isn\'t that right Saintfan?

Why would Terrell Smith say such nice things about the coach and organization AFTER leaving?
I\'m going to need proof showing me that he actually said anything. Thanks.

Why would Brian Cox, who will speak his mind in a flash, say such nice things about the Saints?
See above.

Why would Bryan Young, also a teammate of Turley, be so excited about coming here. Perhaps he also knows Turley\'s an idiot.
Again money - again YOU ARE SPECULATING. Tisk, tisk.

Why would Pease, a highly respected and sought after assistant choose to come here?
Money, but then again, that\'s speculation.
Finally...Answers. Pretty weak answers but I\'ll take what I can get.
Baby steps WhoDat, baby steps.
I\'ll address your responses later. The money was about the same for many of the players you listed money as their reasons for signing.
It\'ll take me a while to verify all my quotes, but I feel I have earned a reputation for NOT posting B-S. I\'m truly hurt by your skepticism. Well, not like a \"feelings\" hurt, that would be kinda Garcia gayish

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Old 04-17-2004, 06:15 PM   #94
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i honestly feel that if Haslett does not WIN a playoff game this year, he\'s on the first thing smoking out of town. I feel that last year should have been it for him, as he is not the man he pretended to be in 2000.
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That was a lucent, well thought out defense....but i am gonna have to rule with the other guys. I know you have your opinion gator and i say keep saying whats on your mind, I do, but this has gone on long enough. Haslett hurt himself by winning in the first year with a less than adequate team. I wouldnt trade that season in for anything. It was magical witnessing the Saints beat the Rams in the playoffs in the Dome with 5 of my closest friends. I know if was four years ago, but that season was made possible by the decisions and coaching of Jim Haslett. Simply put, he had all backups and he brought something to this city that no other man ever did. He won a playoff game for the Saints. It never happened before or since, but it Haslett can do it again and i am willing to bet that he will.

I do know that i can back up some of what they are saying in that Bryan Cox repeatedly speaks well of the Saints on NFL 2nite. He even picked them to win the division when they were 1-3. I do remember him saying that Haslett will get those guys turned around.

I did not record it so i cant prove it, but i know it happened. Just like the first time i had sex. I am pretty sure it happened, i dont care what she says.


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Looks like the act of a desperate Man Gatorman. You really are a funny guy. You\'ve failed miserably to prove your point...even with Whodat and 08\'s help, so now you appeal to the masses. Laughable sir.

Now, either you think Haz has no talent on the team or you think he does and he can\'t coach it. How in the world can you possible think that\'s a trick question? I don\'t think you do. I think you got busted in your original overzealous (typically) response and now you\'re crawfishin\' badly...that\'s what it looks like to me.

The isn\'t a battle between me and you sir, no matter how many times you call me \"Lord Bong\". This an issue related to the FACT that you can\'t back up what you posted as something we should all percieve (according to you) as an obvious fact. You have failed to prove your point, miserably. It\'s not about me being right. It\'s about you posting opinion as fact. You just don\'t get it. Funny...
When and where did I atttack Saintsfan\'s views. He\'s attacking mine.
I\'m not attacking your views (I still don\'t think you\'re reading my posts). I am attacking the way you insinuate your opinion is help by everyone pretty much other than me. Read though all the posts on this thread and I think you\'ll see otherwise. Well, MOST people (those reading and willing to accept what they see) would see otherwise...you I wonder about.
Shouldn\'t he prove his challenge of my opinion is false by stating some type of reasonable ground to bring this charge that I\'m passing my opinion off as fact.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. YOU made the statement...YOU get to defend it. DUDE, that\'s just the way the world works. Don\'t hate the player, hate the game.
Whatever happened to a plain and simple disagreement between two guys.
You\'re witnessing one right now. You can\'t prove your point. This is not my fault as much as you might think otherwise.

I am expressing my opinion.
If that\'s all you were doing this thing wouldn\'t be 4 pages and growing. You stating your opinion as fact.

There\'s so much more I could say, but you appear to be too hardheaded to get the point, so, I\'ll just sit back and wait for this evidence you claim exists. You have appealed to the masses and still you\'re point remains unproven. I know you well enough to know that hurts you Gator....but it\'s ok. Crow doesn\'t taste so bad if you chew it fast enough. Take my word for it. I know.

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I\'m going need quotes from the girl which I will discredit her as a liar. Then I\'ll need pictures which I\'ll discredit as proof. Furthermore, I will use ZERO proof to discredit all of your statements WITH SOLELY MY OPINOIN.

I will never show you pictures of her. Not much to brag about. In fact, she was a striking resemblence to some sort of sea donkey. The pictures are mine and you will never get your paws on her filthy draws.
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Old 04-17-2004, 08:51 PM   #98
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Saintfan: \"The Saints have a lot of good young talent and it has developed pretty well.\"
Saintfan: \"Jim Haslett is a good coach.\"

WhoDat: \"Then why aren\'t the Saints better than .500?\"

Saintfan: \"Bad luck.\"

Guys, if this is what you want to believe go ahead. It\'s at best a wishful stance to take if you ask me. But I\'ll ask the same question I asked earlier in the thread when I made a Tombstone reference...

Let\'s assume Haslett is just a poor guy who is really unlucky, does it not still affect the team? Isn\'t Haslett\'s bad luck then the reason that we\'re .500? What matters - that we win or that the coach we have is capable? I\'d rather have the luckiest moron in the world and be 11-5 every year than the unluckiest capable coach that makes us 8-8. At some point, results matter. If Haslett is just unlucky than that\'s a sad story, but not sad enough to justify hurting this team and its fans year in and year out.

Sure, Haslett is the coach again this season - there\'s no denying that. I\'ll bet you guys a lot that if the Saints are 8-8 in 2004 there will be certain members on this board still trying to tell you he\'s a good coach and why he deserves yet another year.

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7) Maniplulation motivated by spite are at work here. Most 3rd party comments here are about the saints. Saintsfans are about me.
Come on now WhoDat , I get some serious Saintsfan airtime here too , and for the most part I would not have it any other way ....
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Gator, Gator, Gator -- the majority of your comments in this thread haven\'t been about that statement you made, rather they\'ve been about me. Personal attacks if you will. I\'m not attacking you man, I\'m attacking your statement and you lack of either the willingness or the ability to prove it.

See the flaw in your entire argument
The fact stated: Turley said the Saints were Mickey Mouse = He said it (Thats proof that he said it)
The FACT is that\'s not what you typed. The words \"quite a bit\" change the whole scope of your statement. I read it, and I said to myself, \"There goes Gatorman again. I think I challenge him on that statement and see if he can prove it.\" Since you seem to think so poorly of me, and since you\'re trying to switch the focus of the whole debate, I thought I\'d give you a little insight. There you have it. I think (I said to myself) I\'ll challenge that statement.

True, Turely said it. He\'s your ally (along with Whodat and 08). So far no one has offered any proof that anyone else did. Glover said no such thing. How about you post that Glover quote Whodat posted and let the masses decide, since you\'ve employed the masses here in an effort to discredit me personally. Post it again and lets let folks interprit it. In other words, how brave are ya?

Its not a fact that they are Mickey Mouse. It can\'t be proven one way or the other. Its an Opinion.
Dang right it\'s not a fact. Dang right it\'s your opinion...and Whodats, and 08\'s. It\'s the \"quite a bit\" part of your statement that get\'s to me. So, then, am I to assume that You, Whodat and 08 define \"quite a bit\". Maybe if I\'d known that going in I wouldn\'t have challenged you, but since I didn\'t (and since I\'d bet that\'s not what you were implying) I asked for proof. At the very least at least now I know none is forthcoming.

I refuse to prove it one way or the other so you call me liar.
You must prove that I\'m a liar.
1) The only thing I could have Lied about is Turley\'s comment and clearly he said it, therefore I\'m not lying.

YOU JUST MISINTERPRETED THE ENTIRE COMMENT ENTIRELY. THATS YOUR FAULT.
Umm, well Gator, that\'s not what you posted. You\'re slick \'ol boy, but you aint\' that slick. Go back and quote the actual statement and then explain to me how you can post the above and think you\'re actually being honest. I didn\'t misinterpret anything. I read the post, word for word, and I challenged it.

You failed miserably (Your favorite word) to interpret what I stated as my opinoin and what I stated as fact. Thats on you man. I really don\'t think you know the difference.
Where did I fail? You don\'t like Haz. Fine. You don\'t want to look at the whole picture. You think a new coach would suddenly fix penalties, dropped passes, missed blocks (See Kyle Turley) strange calls, general unfortunate luck and injuries. That\'s ok. That\'s your opinion and you\'re right. I disagree. On the other hand, your \"mickey mouse\" comment, where you indicated it\'s being said \"quite a bit\" by media, fans, and players, was an attempt to insinuate that there\'s this large number of people besides you and Turley and Whodat and 08 that are saying that. There isn\'t. You\'re lack of ability to find ANYONE who said it is all the proof I need. Yes, Gator, I did go look for some comments but I failed to find any. So did Whodat, and so did 08. What\'s so hard for you to understand. You posted that as something we\'re all aware of. We\'ll some of us aren\'t...and we still aren\'t, because it\'s not true. It might be your opinion, but it\'s not true, and that\'s what I was trying to accomplish when I decided to challenge your statement...same thing I\'ve done in the past...same thing you\'re done in the past...get it yet?

WHat is it exactly that you want me to say here?
I really don\'t care what you say Gator. As you have accurately pointed out, this is a forum for discussion and debate. Say what you will, but be prepared to be asked to back up your statements...especially if you post opinion as fact. You may not like the fact that I asked you to prove what you said -- Oh well. Next time it may be someone else that asks you for proof. Maybe you\'ll attack them personally like you\'ve attacked me here. We\'ll see.

During our intial discussion who brought up proof? You did. Did I ask you to backup your opinion? No
Jeesh Gator. See JKool\'s post cause I\'m obviously not getting through to you. YOU MAKE THE STATEMENT. It\'s not MY job to prove it it\'s YOURS.

What is it you do again?
Well, I travel around the country and install automation computer for radio and tv stations. This is important exactly how? I\'m no lawyer for sure...and for sure neither are you!

Friend belive one another or disagree respectfully. You do neither sir.
When did we become friends? Was it before you got banned and I voted for your return or was it after you begged to get me banned? Remind me, cause I forgot. For the record, I disagree, respectfully, but that\'s not the point. The whole point is you can\'t prove your statment and DAYS ago, when you could have said it was just your opinion, you were STILL trying to insinuate that it was a fact. Still no proof. Yes, I disagree...respectfully.

Remember the Rules. Remember the fine line between discussion and attacking. That fine line you\'ve danced around.
Remember \"pot meet kettle\"? Remember Lord Bong? Need I say more, because I can if you require it. I\'m just that kinda guy.

I\'ve been nothing but cool to you.
Now that IS a lie. I can prove it too. Do you want me to prove it / discredit you in front of all these people? I won\'t do that to you unless you really want me to.

I promise you I know you\'ll do this to somebody else as you have with 08, Whodat and somebody else I can\'t remember. The Older guys know what your about, but you discredit them by calling them names.
Whodat and I have been knee deep in it, that\'s true. 08 and his conspiracy theories are legendary, and I have challenged each and every one of them...that is true, and yes, there has been some name calling done by me...and by Whodat...and by 08 as well. Need proof of that, cause I can sure provide some for you, yet your post my lend one to think that I\'m the only one doing the name calling. What am I about Gatorman. I\'m about asking people who, in my opinion, aren\'t being fair when they place the woes of the entire organization at the foot of Jim Haslette and Aaron Brooks, to prove their statements. I happen to disagree, and so when folks post things like your \"quite a bit\" statement I\'m all about asking where it came from. WHO said it. WHEN did they say it. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with a debate. You may not like my style -- I may not like yours. Let\'s just make sure we\'re being complete -- dare I say accurate -- when you insinuate something about me ok? I can and will gladly show proof of your not-so-nice behavior as well as name calling by Whodat, 08 and lots of others...I bet I can find some by you too...as recent as this thread. Wanna try me?

Your treating me unfairly. I would never do this to you. I just don\'t understand why your so angry. Can\'t you just get over what I think and move on. Why the need to go through all of this.
I\'m not treating you any differently that you\'ve treated me...and others...and history will prove that. I\'m not angry at all...again I think this is funny. We can move on...there isn\'t gonna be any proof. This whole discussion has shifted to me somehow. Whodat is attacking me, 08 is getting sarcastic again. Same stuff, different day. We\'re going through all of this because you keep posting on this thread and I keep responding with the same request. It\'s not coming. I would give up but I don\'t like to give up, so if you keep attacking me I\'ll keep responding and we\'ll see how long we can keep it going.

And now on to Whodat:

Saintfan: \"The Saints have a lot of good young talent and it has developed pretty well.\"
Saintfan: \"Jim Haslett is a good coach.\"

WhoDat: \"Then why aren\'t the Saints better than .500?\"

Saintfan: \"Bad luck.\"
Nice try Whodat, but I said Bad Luck is a factor. I believe that it is, and I don\'t think Jim Haslette controlls luck one way or the other. You may not think it\'s a factor, but I certainly do. Sometimes the ball just doesn\'t bounce your way.

Sure, Haslett is the coach again this season - there\'s no denying that. I\'ll bet you guys a lot that if the Saints are 8-8 in 2004 there will be certain members on this board still trying to tell you he\'s a good coach and why he deserves yet another year.
Well that all depends on why the Saints are 8-8 doesn\'t it...unless you think Jim Haslett has controll over EVERY factor that dictates winning and losing. If he coaches poorly he should be gone, but if the Saints have to start Michael Lewis, Jerome Pathon, and Talman Gardner as their starting WR\'s there isn\'t much Jim can do about that. I would ask if you see my point here, but I know you well enough to know that even if you did you\'d probably deny it.









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