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Old 04-12-2004, 04:39 PM   #31
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The Saints have no talent...

Wait, I really do think the Saints have talent...

Sounds like a fence-rider to me!
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Old 04-12-2004, 07:28 PM   #32
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I\'m a little confused by my favorite arch rival.

Correct me if I\'m wrong Lord Vader, but you think the Saints have a lot of talent, correct? More so than most Saints teams of old right?

You also believe Haslett is a good coach correct?

So what is the problem? Good coach, talented team - where\'s the beef Saintfan? Is your stance now seriously just bad luck over the last three seasons? I\'m not trying to argue, simply trying to clarify, Darth. Show me the Dark Side.
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Anytime Chewbacca

It is my opinion that indeed the Saints are a talented team. How Gatorman could think differently is beyond me (and so too is it beyond me that you\'d attemt to defend such a statement, cause regardless of our difference of opinion you do often times appear to have a clue) regardless of what he thinks of Haz\'s ability to coach. Further I think Haz has been instrumental in aquiring his fair share of that talent.

I have already gone on record (a legal-esk statement ) as stating that it is my opinion that the Saints are a young team that needs to learn how to win. And yes, Whodat, I do think the Saints had terrible luck particularly last year. Absolutely NOTHING seemed to work out for \'em...from injuries to freak officiating to seldom (if ever) missed extra points. You just can\'t lay the blame in Haslett\'s lap for all the strange little occurances...well, maybe you can \'cause you want him gone, but I try and be a bit more fair a partial in my assesment of the situation.

Don\'t assume that I think Haz is the best football coach to ever have lived. I never said that. Do I think he can take the Saints to the Superbowl? You bet I do. Do I think his job will be/should be in jeapordy if the Saints tank the upcoming season. You bet I do. I\'m just trying to be fair. I\'m trying to take all things into account minus an agenda. You SHOULD know me better by now Chewie. LOL

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Old 04-12-2004, 09:56 PM   #34
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Actually, Saintfan ....What if, what if, what if came for Scott Stapp of Creed lol
Creed sucks. Buncha Pearl Jam wannabees if you ask me...but that\'s just my opinion. Heartless cookie cutter \"wish we had some real talent\" buncha buffons...LOL

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Old 04-12-2004, 10:12 PM   #35
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For once, I agree with Saintfan...Creed sucks.

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Old 04-13-2004, 01:25 AM   #37
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I can\'t argue that with you 08, but let me make a point. Think about Tebucky Jones. He has problems making tackles...he improved as the year went on, but I think we\'d all agree there were issues with his fundamentals.
So what you are questioning if I get this correct Saintsfan is Tebucky Jones ?? I find a certain irony in the Jones debate .

Belichick assesses that Jones will never live up too the potential of the cap hit the Patriots are going to take with him on the roster and proceeds to trade him to the first team willing to take him . Belichick then goes on to win his second Super Bowl .

Haslett assesses that Jones is the answer at the Safety position and quickly makes the trade and renegotiates a contract to keep Jones in New Orleans . Haslett then finds out that Jones takes improper angles and misses tackles .Haslett finishes the season at 8-8 .

This is called Talent Evaluation another key element of the coaching position . A good coach makes a good player great , unfortunately a good player does not make a good coach great ...


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Old 04-13-2004, 08:15 AM   #38
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Well me being a musician......To say Creed sucks and to compare them to Pearl Jam thats just Crazy.... Creed has sold more alblums on one record than all of Pearl Jams combined...But sorry to stray from the topic of the forum
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Old 04-13-2004, 10:13 AM   #39
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SAINTFAN:

It is my opinion that indeed the Saints are a talented team. How Gatorman could think differently is beyond me (and so too is it beyond me that you\'d attemt to defend such a statement, cause regardless of our difference of opinion you do often times appear to have a clue) regardless of what he thinks of Haz\'s ability to coach.
I didn\'t defend that statement. In fact, I blatantly disagreed with it in two posts. This is the most talented team in Saints history. Which is why our .500 finishes are infuriating and make me question Haslett\'s ability.



Absolutely NOTHING seemed to work out for \'em...from injuries to freak officiating to seldom (if ever) missed extra points. You just can\'t lay the blame in Haslett\'s lap for all the strange little occurances...well, maybe you can \'cause you want him gone, but I try and be a bit more fair a partial in my assesment of the situation.
Do I get to blame lack of discipline on him? Lots of penalties (which we all know thanks to Billy hurt as much as turnovers), dropped passes, missed blocks, fumbles, inability to stop the run... that had nothing to do with Haslett? What about Bellicheck? He had almost as many injuries as we did. I don\'t hear him using them as a crutch - oh right, that\'s b/c he won the Super Bowl DESPITE setbacks.



Do I think his job will be/should be in jeapordy if the Saints tank the upcoming season. You bet I do.
Don\'t think I won\'t remember this one Vader!


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Its like every time I post I have to defend myself from the previous post. And when I answer your questions you discredit me no matter what is said.
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08:
Belichick assesses that Jones will never live up too the potential of the cap hit the Patriots are going to take with him on the roster and proceeds to trade him to the first team willing to take him . Belichick then goes on to win his second Super Bowl .

Haslett assesses that Jones is the answer at the Safety position and quickly makes the trade and renegotiates a contract to keep Jones in New Orleans . Haslett then finds out that Jones takes improper angles and misses tackles .Haslett finishes the season at 8-8 .

This is called Talent Evaluation another key element of the coaching position . A good coach makes a good player great , unfortunately a good player does not make a good coach great.
FANTASTIC! I applaud you 08. Best post I\'ve seen in a while.



And finally, back to Saintfan (AND DANNO) - listen man, I try to be fair just like you do. You can say I have an agenda, if that\'s what you feel. You\'re right. My agenda is to see the Saints win. I want that to happen more than I value any player or coach. If I think a player is a coach is a problem I\'m going to say it. I say that b/c I feel someone is hurting the TEAM, not b/c I don\'t like the person. I don\'t know Jim Haslett. I don\'t care one way or the other about him except as he affects the New Orleans Saints. Right now I think he hurts them, and I would like to see someone else. Why can\'t you respect that just like I respect your opinion and decision to support him? Sure I ask questions and sling a little of this or that at you from time to time, but I don\'t question your motives.


In any case, Haslett has a very talented team thanks mostly to the moves made in 2000 and the drafts before Meuller left. Loomis and Haslett haven\'t done much in FA the last two years and there has certainly been a big need to act. This team is talented enough to have made the playoffs but there is always something. They\'re undisciplined, there are locker room problems, they\'re worked too hard early in the season and are fatigued late in the year. Bottom line, Haslett has not had a season since 2000 where the team did not go 3-5 in one half of the year. All of that shows a problem with the coach. Not the players, the coach. It\'s one guy, or a couple, it is not the entire 53 man roster that is pulling Haslett down. It\'s quite the opposite.

[Edited on 13/4/2004 by WhoDat]

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Old 04-13-2004, 06:11 PM   #40
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I have a little prediction. If the Saints fire Haslett, I bet you get ragged and quit.........................................AGAIN ......................... .................................................. ......................... .................................................. .. for the 3rd time!

Over and above the fact that you can\'t count:


I took a break from posting here for a while Gatorman because of \"know-it-alls\" such as yourself if you need to know the truth (not that you\'d recognize it if it bit you on the azz), and as long as we\'re on the subject -- tell me -- what does it feel like to get banned for being a jerk who couldn\'t hold his tounge? I voted for your reinstatement too as I recall. That was my last sip of 08er-aid too now that I think about it. :P

You and Whodat can call me all the clever little names you can dream up, but that doesn\'t change the fact that the two of you manipulate the truth and Spin it to suit your agenda. Now, go back to the sandbox and play nicely. 08 needs a playmate.

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