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frankeefrank 03-07-2012 02:54 AM

It's really just a salary cap violation
 
I understand that the term "bounty" makes things sound worse than they are but in reality this is really just a salary cap violation.
here's how the league handled it before. CNNSI.com - NFL Football - SI's King: 49ers fined for salary cap violations - Friday December 01, 2000 06:38 PM
Players received illegal bonus money.
That being said, tens of thousands compared to hundreds of thousands...
there's no way this thing even come close to what the niners did cost wise.
IMO it's impossible to prove intent in regards to the hits.
Doing do would open up Pandora's box.
we'll get a hit for what the league will determine is their version of "lack of institutional control" but besides that I don't really see were they have a standing to impose harsh penalties like the media predicts.
If so, then this is really just a vendetta.

SmashMouth 03-07-2012 07:19 AM

If the players contribute themselves ... is it still a cap violation? ... Vilma put up $10,000 allegedly.

TheOak 03-07-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 384072)
If the players contribute themselves ... is it still a cap violation? ... Vilma put up $10,000 allegedly.

Nope... That just makes it a friendly loan. All anyone has to say is they they have yet to pay it back...


Pay backs are a #%&!

Euphoria 03-07-2012 08:55 AM

Players and maybe some coaches put into the pot NOT THE TEAM. So it has NOTHING to do with cap numbers.

This is essentially an office pool run amok.

Although after reviewing the NFL rule on this EVERY player in the NFL is guilty of this because you can't not run this 'incentive program'. Not even for INT's or fumbles. Its all illegal.

xan 03-07-2012 09:49 AM

I'd not say "illegal" because there is no federal, state, or local law prohibiting this kind of reward system. This is simply a violation of league policy. It is certainly not gambling, because this is a performance based pool with no guaranteed payout beyond the performance which would be outside the participants' control.

Has anyone actually SEEN proof that there was a contract/conspiracy to inflict physical harm and an actual PAYOUT based on that harm?

Or is this conjecture based on someone's casual and imprecise use of the term "bounty" for the pool itself?

SapperSaint 03-07-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 384129)
I'd not say "illegal" because there is no federal, state, or local law prohibiting this kind of reward system. This is simply a violation of league policy. It is certainly not gambling, because this is a performance based pool with no guaranteed payout beyond the performance which would be outside the participants' control.

Has anyone actually SEEN proof that there was a contract/conspiracy to inflict physical harm and an actual PAYOUT based on that harm?

Or is this conjecture based on someone's casual and imprecise use of the term "bounty" for the pool itself?

THANK YOU

SaintsBro 03-07-2012 10:17 AM

What is really happening is that they are using the cap violation as a "gotcha" way of cracking down on the practice. I mean $100 or $500 for an interception is pretty ridiculous in terms of a player's salary or the cap, but it's a "gotcha" moment and that is the rule that can be enforced to throw the book at the organization as well as the players. And it was wrong to do it, and people need to wrap their heads around that. It has Gregg Williams' fingerprints all over it and that needs to be acknowledged as well.

The OTHER issue is that Payton and Loomis were apparently told to stop it, and allegedly did not...that is a different separate issue and will be dealt with differently. Don't be surprised if the penalties/fines/suspensions are handed down in different "groups" at different times over a period of weeks or months, instead of all at once.

Euphoria 03-07-2012 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 384129)
I'd not say "illegal" because there is no federal, state, or local law prohibiting this kind of reward system. This is simply a violation of league policy. It is certainly not gambling, because this is a performance based pool with no guaranteed payout beyond the performance which would be outside the participants' control.

Has anyone actually SEEN proof that there was a contract/conspiracy to inflict physical harm and an actual PAYOUT based on that harm?

Or is this conjecture based on someone's casual and imprecise use of the term "bounty" for the pool itself?

No but if you have such a plan to pay out to someone money to hurt or harm someone... that is illegal in every state in America.

st thomas 03-07-2012 10:42 AM

unless someone kept a book on all the cash in the bounty program its all hearsay which should be throw out if this goes to court. so its all about 1 person that said the word bounty and all hell breaks loose? you will hear about this i'm sure in the snitch's book that will be out when this blows over. remember jose consaco.

Euphoria 03-07-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 384164)
unless someone kept a book on all the cash in the bounty program its all hearsay which should be throw out if this goes to court. so its all about 1 person that said the word bounty and all hell breaks loose? you will hear about this i'm sure in the snitch's book that will be out when this blows over. remember jose consaco.

One person?

I think you have the definition wrong on what hearsay means. Hearsay is when I say that you told me something... that can't go into court but if I say you did something that can go to court because I am a witness. This so called snitch is a witness.

There are several people who admitted. 2 Coaches, a GM have already apologized and ADMITTED it happened. That isn't hearsay. Also players have come out now and said they contributed to the fund.


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