Brees selfish turn

Pete · 03-07-2012, 08:42 PM

I'm done with this ****.Get it done and over with Pay-Loo!
Drew is livid
Drew is confident a deal will be worked out
Drew has gotten greedy
Drew do us a favor clear your head of all this bull**** and get ready to suit up spartan!

This has really frustrated me to no end!Please excuse me for the following emoticon.

P.S thanks for the sanity Who-Dats I'm beginning to lose mine

OldMaid · 03-07-2012, 09:02 PM

Thanks Guido. Jamessr. WhoDat656.

I do not like fans here turning on Brees.
Why should he not get paid his worth?
Why?
Umm, how many other teams out there would pay him his worth? 31. Ok, not all 31 teams out there need him, but there are quite a few that would jump at the chance to get him.

Brees has been a good ambassador for New Orleans on and off the field. Brees has said in interviews he wants to end his career with the Saints. He is raising his family in N.O. Even after his Saints days, provided he is paid, I would not be surprised if he stays on in N.O. Big fish , small pond thing.

I don't like fans turning on him. He is the only real qb, successful one we ever had.
People here are always knocking Aaron Brooks. I posted the yesterday that they forget to knock: Bobby Hebert, John Fourcade, Richard Todd ( I still cannot figure out not taking Warren Moon, and taking Richard Todd.), 2nd qb Dave Wilson with Kenny Stabler. Stabler was at the end of his career. Jim Everett stopped over at the Saints to pick up some money at the end of his career.
The list of Saints so-so, mediocre qbs' consists of every qb we ever had.

Saints need to pay Brees well in a good, tight contract for two years.
I think he has a good two years left. I think the Saints have a good playoffs and SB try for this year. After that, we are going to be on the rebuilding end.
Right now, this team under SeanP and his staff seem to be refilling spots with really good, key people like Graham, Sproles.
Spags as DC seems like a good choice.

These good years of the Saints will not last. They don't last for any team. Ask Jerry Jones. Lets enjoy these years while they last.
I remember all the bad years. I have not been to a Saints game since the early, maybe mid 1990's.
I had access to season tickets from 1977 to early/mid 1990's.
Some of those were sad years. Even the good years, well, I had no idea, LOL, like many Saints 'fans, 9-7, 8-8, Wild Card Playoff , etc. was not that great. The days of wishing, depending on if X team lost in that division and Y team won in that division, well, then the Saints could secure a Wild Card PO game.
Oh gosh!

Pay Brees!!!!!

Danno · 03-07-2012, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

I don't care if paying Brees hair-lips the Pope, PAY THE MAN!!

Originally Posted by OldMaid

Pay Brees!!!!!

We did. He rejected an offer that would make him the highest paid player in the entire NFL, TWICE!!!

SIGN THE DAMN THING DREW!!!

Budsdrinker · 03-07-2012, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We did. He rejected an offer that would make him the highest paid player in the entire NFL, TWICE!!!

SIGN THE DAMN THING DREW!!!

And fire Condon!!!!

saintfan · 03-07-2012, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do you not have a clue? Brees isn't doing any of this. It is Tom Condon, his agent. The player agrees to be TOTALLY hands off once contract negotiations begin. You can try to be pissed at Condon if you wish, but he's just doing his job, too.

As I have tried to explain on this board many times, Condon represents Carl Nicks, as well. Condon surely knew that the Saints could not absorb a $24 million hit per year for the first three years of a contract. He did that to force the Saints to use the tag on Brees, thus letting his other client, Nicks, hit the open market.

A deal will get done.

Grow up, y'all. Get with the program. These things are not as simple as you might think.

I am ashamed to read this crap y'all are spouting with no clue how things work. Do you want to drive Drew away? Keep this **** up.

He has already leaked word that he feels confident a deal will be made. I'm sure that Condon wasn't happy about that.

Dammit, get with the program. Support the team and our QB. They will be together for years to come.

The player 'agrees' right up to the point where he disagrees. Agents are fired all the time. Nobody here thinks it's 'simple'. Fact is if Drew wanted this to be over it would be over. Agent or no agent. You CANNOT relieve Drew of any responsibility. This particular agent wasn't assigned to Drew. Drew chose HIM, and he has a reputation for what we are witnessing, the agent I mean.

What's to stop Drew from saying, "look, I don't feel right holding the team hostage like this. They have offered me a contract that makes me the highest paid player in the history of the league. I want to sign it."

Are you really suggesting that his agent is in total control and that Drew is merely at his agent's mercy? If that's what you think then, yeah, somebody doesn't have a clue alright.

AsylumGuido · 03-07-2012, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

The player 'agrees' right up to the point where he disagrees. Agents are fired all the time. Nobody here thinks it's 'simple'. Fact is if Drew wanted this to be over it would be over. Agent or no agent. You CANNOT relieve Drew of any responsibility. This particular agent wasn't assigned to Drew. Drew chose HIM, and he has a reputation for what we are witnessing, the agent I mean.

What's to stop Drew from saying, "look, I don't feel right holding the team hostage like this. They have offered me a contract that makes me the highest paid player in the history of the league. I want to sign it."

Are you really suggesting that his agent is in total control and that Drew is merely at his agent's mercy? If that's what you think then, yeah, somebody doesn't have a clue alright.

The team is not being held hostage. Nothing is going on that doesn't happen all the time in negotiations. It just happens to be with your team this time.It has been only two frickin' days since the franchise deadline hit. They have until July 15th to work out the deal.

All of this hate from y'all is counter-productive. I'm not meaning to be rude by saying this, but people need to just shut the hell up and let things work themselves out.

alexonfyre · 03-07-2012, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

The player 'agrees' right up to the point where he disagrees. Agents are fired all the time. Nobody here thinks it's 'simple'. Fact is if Drew wanted this to be over it would be over. Agent or no agent. You CANNOT relieve Drew of any responsibility. This particular agent wasn't assigned to Drew. Drew chose HIM, and he has a reputation for what we are witnessing, the agent I mean.

What's to stop Drew from saying, "look, I don't feel right holding the team hostage like this. They have offered me a contract that makes me the highest paid player in the history of the league. I want to sign it."

Are you really suggesting that his agent is in total control and that Drew is merely at his agent's mercy? If that's what you think then, yeah, somebody doesn't have a clue alright.

Actually yeah. If you break your leg in a store, and your attorney, who you hired for his reputation of being one of the best, is handling it, do you let him handle it, or do you take matters in to your own hands and settle the case yourself?
Until Drew starts having to sit out of workouts and practices, he will probably consider everything Condon says as the correct course of action.
Seeing as most of the people here don't have the first clue as to how any of these negotiations happen, I don't see how any of you can say "Drew should know better than his agent how this should be going, why doesn't he fire him?" That makes no sense whatsoever.

saintfan · 03-07-2012, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The team is not being held hostage. Nothing is going on that doesn't happen all the time in negotiations. It just happens to be with your team this time.It has been only two frickin' days since the franchise deadline hit. They have until July 15th to work out the deal.

All of this hate from y'all is counter-productive. I'm not meaning to be rude by saying this, but people need to just shut the hell up and let things work themselves out.

I'm not stupid or full of crap or any of the other stuff you've laid out. You're not telling me anything I'm not fully aware of. I've been watching professional sports nearly 40 years.

I'm not meaning to be rude either. But any assessment of this situation that suggests that Drew has no responsibility and that it's all on his agent is crap, if you'll forgive me for saying so.

And I'm not hating. I'm making no assumptions. I don't assume to know what Drew is thinking. All I know is he's been offered the richest contract in the history of the NFL and he refused to sign it. I don't know why. What I DO know is that his agent isn't stopping him. That's the most ignorant thing I've heard up to now. Drew pays his agent. It's not the other way around.

saintfan · 03-07-2012, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

Actually yeah. If you break your leg in a store, and your attorney, who you hired for his reputation of being one of the best, is handling it, do you let him handle it, or do you take matters in to your own hands and settle the case yourself?
Until Drew starts having to sit out of workouts and practices, he will probably consider everything Condon says as the correct course of action.
Seeing as most of the people here don't have the first clue as to how any of these negotiations happen, I don't see how any of you can say "Drew should know better than his agent how this should be going, why doesn't he fire him?" That makes no sense whatsoever.

BS. The lawyer recommends, but you're a fool if you're not keeping yourself well up to speed on what's going on. People fire their lawyers all the time too. So, Ummm, yeah.

I'm not saying "Drew should know better than his agent and that he should fire him". Pay attention. What I AM doing is countering the point where someone is suggesting that Drew is clueless of the situation and is mindlessly allowing his agent to direct this circus.

Based on what I do know about Drew I doubt very seriously he isn't well aware. Seems as though some are suggesting that Drew will only sign when his agent tells him it's okay to do so. Nonsense.

alexonfyre · 03-07-2012, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'm not stupid or full of crap or any of the other stuff you've laid out. You're not telling me anything I'm not fully aware of. I've been watching professional sports nearly 40 years.

I'm not meaning to be rude either. But any assessment of this situation that suggests that Drew has no responsibility and that it's all on his agent is crap, if you'll forgive me for saying so.

And I'm not hating. I'm making no assumptions. I don't assume to know what Drew is thinking. All I know is he's been offered the richest contract in the history of the NFL and he refused to sign it. I don't know why. What I DO know is that his agent is stopping him. That's the most ignorant thing I've heard up to now. Drew pays his agent. It's not the other way around.

If Condon didn't tell Drew what the offer was (which he doesn't need to unless Drew asks,) then he probably doesn't know. In fact, the more I read about Condon, the more I think he is the type of guy who tells his clients straight up "Don't ask me about offers, and don't let anyone tell you. I will bring it to you when I think it is appropriate."

03-07-2012, 08:42 PM	#21
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,741	I'm done with this **.Get it done and over with Pay-Loo! Drew is livid Drew is confident a deal will be worked out Drew has gotten greedy Drew do us a favor clear your head of all this bull** and get ready to suit up spartan! This has really frustrated me to no end!Please excuse me for the following emoticon. P.S thanks for the sanity Who-Dats I'm beginning to lose mine
	Last edited by Pete; 03-07-2012 at 09:13 PM..

03-07-2012, 09:02 PM	#22
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,818 Blog Entries: 3	Thanks Guido. Jamessr. WhoDat656. I do not like fans here turning on Brees. Why should he not get paid his worth? Why? Umm, how many other teams out there would pay him his worth? 31. Ok, not all 31 teams out there need him, but there are quite a few that would jump at the chance to get him. Brees has been a good ambassador for New Orleans on and off the field. Brees has said in interviews he wants to end his career with the Saints. He is raising his family in N.O. Even after his Saints days, provided he is paid, I would not be surprised if he stays on in N.O. Big fish , small pond thing. I don't like fans turning on him. He is the only real qb, successful one we ever had. People here are always knocking Aaron Brooks. I posted the yesterday that they forget to knock: Bobby Hebert, John Fourcade, Richard Todd ( I still cannot figure out not taking Warren Moon, and taking Richard Todd.), 2nd qb Dave Wilson with Kenny Stabler. Stabler was at the end of his career. Jim Everett stopped over at the Saints to pick up some money at the end of his career. The list of Saints so-so, mediocre qbs' consists of every qb we ever had. Saints need to pay Brees well in a good, tight contract for two years. I think he has a good two years left. I think the Saints have a good playoffs and SB try for this year. After that, we are going to be on the rebuilding end. Right now, this team under SeanP and his staff seem to be refilling spots with really good, key people like Graham, Sproles. Spags as DC seems like a good choice. These good years of the Saints will not last. They don't last for any team. Ask Jerry Jones. Lets enjoy these years while they last. I remember all the bad years. I have not been to a Saints game since the early, maybe mid 1990's. I had access to season tickets from 1977 to early/mid 1990's. Some of those were sad years. Even the good years, well, I had no idea, LOL, like many Saints 'fans, 9-7, 8-8, Wild Card Playoff , etc. was not that great. The days of wishing, depending on if X team lost in that division and Y team won in that division, well, then the Saints could secure a Wild Card PO game. Oh gosh! Pay Brees!!!!! TheKillerBs likes this.

03-07-2012, 09:47 PM	#23
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Originally Posted by Jamessr I don't care if paying Brees hair-lips the Pope, PAY THE MAN!! Originally Posted by OldMaid Pay Brees!!!!! We did. He rejected an offer that would make him the highest paid player in the entire NFL, TWICE!!! SIGN THE DAMN THING DREW!!! saintfan, Crusader and Budsdrinker like this.

03-07-2012, 09:55 PM	#24
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by Danno We did. He rejected an offer that would make him the highest paid player in the entire NFL, TWICE!!! SIGN THE DAMN THING DREW!!! And fire Condon!!!! saintfan, Danno, Crusader and 1 others like this.

03-07-2012, 10:04 PM	#25
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do you not have a clue? Brees isn't doing any of this. It is Tom Condon, his agent. The player agrees to be TOTALLY hands off once contract negotiations begin. You can try to be pissed at Condon if you wish, but he's just doing his job, too. As I have tried to explain on this board many times, Condon represents Carl Nicks, as well. Condon surely knew that the Saints could not absorb a $24 million hit per year for the first three years of a contract. He did that to force the Saints to use the tag on Brees, thus letting his other client, Nicks, hit the open market. A deal will get done. Grow up, y'all. Get with the program. These things are not as simple as you might think. I am ashamed to read this crap y'all are spouting with no clue how things work. Do you want to drive Drew away? Keep this **** up. He has already leaked word that he feels confident a deal will be made. I'm sure that Condon wasn't happy about that. Dammit, get with the program. Support the team and our QB. They will be together for years to come. The player 'agrees' right up to the point where he disagrees. Agents are fired all the time. Nobody here thinks it's 'simple'. Fact is if Drew wanted this to be over it would be over. Agent or no agent. You CANNOT relieve Drew of any responsibility. This particular agent wasn't assigned to Drew. Drew chose HIM, and he has a reputation for what we are witnessing, the agent I mean. What's to stop Drew from saying, "look, I don't feel right holding the team hostage like this. They have offered me a contract that makes me the highest paid player in the history of the league. I want to sign it." Are you really suggesting that his agent is in total control and that Drew is merely at his agent's mercy? If that's what you think then, yeah, somebody doesn't have a clue alright. FinSaint likes this.
	C'mon Man...

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03-07-2012, 10:12 PM	#26
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Originally Posted by saintfan The player 'agrees' right up to the point where he disagrees. Agents are fired all the time. Nobody here thinks it's 'simple'. Fact is if Drew wanted this to be over it would be over. Agent or no agent. You CANNOT relieve Drew of any responsibility. This particular agent wasn't assigned to Drew. Drew chose HIM, and he has a reputation for what we are witnessing, the agent I mean. What's to stop Drew from saying, "look, I don't feel right holding the team hostage like this. They have offered me a contract that makes me the highest paid player in the history of the league. I want to sign it." Are you really suggesting that his agent is in total control and that Drew is merely at his agent's mercy? If that's what you think then, yeah, somebody doesn't have a clue alright. The team is not being held hostage. Nothing is going on that doesn't happen all the time in negotiations. It just happens to be with your team this time.It has been only two frickin' days since the franchise deadline hit. They have until July 15th to work out the deal. All of this hate from y'all is counter-productive. I'm not meaning to be rude by saying this, but people need to just shut the hell up and let things work themselves out.

03-07-2012, 10:22 PM	#27
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by saintfan The player 'agrees' right up to the point where he disagrees. Agents are fired all the time. Nobody here thinks it's 'simple'. Fact is if Drew wanted this to be over it would be over. Agent or no agent. You CANNOT relieve Drew of any responsibility. This particular agent wasn't assigned to Drew. Drew chose HIM, and he has a reputation for what we are witnessing, the agent I mean. What's to stop Drew from saying, "look, I don't feel right holding the team hostage like this. They have offered me a contract that makes me the highest paid player in the history of the league. I want to sign it." Are you really suggesting that his agent is in total control and that Drew is merely at his agent's mercy? If that's what you think then, yeah, somebody doesn't have a clue alright. Actually yeah. If you break your leg in a store, and your attorney, who you hired for his reputation of being one of the best, is handling it, do you let him handle it, or do you take matters in to your own hands and settle the case yourself? Until Drew starts having to sit out of workouts and practices, he will probably consider everything Condon says as the correct course of action. Seeing as most of the people here don't have the first clue as to how any of these negotiations happen, I don't see how any of you can say "Drew should know better than his agent how this should be going, why doesn't he fire him?" That makes no sense whatsoever.

03-07-2012, 10:34 PM	#28
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The team is not being held hostage. Nothing is going on that doesn't happen all the time in negotiations. It just happens to be with your team this time.It has been only two frickin' days since the franchise deadline hit. They have until July 15th to work out the deal. All of this hate from y'all is counter-productive. I'm not meaning to be rude by saying this, but people need to just shut the hell up and let things work themselves out. I'm not stupid or full of crap or any of the other stuff you've laid out. You're not telling me anything I'm not fully aware of. I've been watching professional sports nearly 40 years. I'm not meaning to be rude either. But any assessment of this situation that suggests that Drew has no responsibility and that it's all on his agent is crap, if you'll forgive me for saying so. And I'm not hating. I'm making no assumptions. I don't assume to know what Drew is thinking. All I know is he's been offered the richest contract in the history of the NFL and he refused to sign it. I don't know why. What I DO know is that his agent isn't stopping him. That's the most ignorant thing I've heard up to now. Drew pays his agent. It's not the other way around.
	C'mon Man... Last edited by saintfan; 03-07-2012 at 10:42 PM..

03-07-2012, 10:38 PM	#29
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by alexonfyre Actually yeah. If you break your leg in a store, and your attorney, who you hired for his reputation of being one of the best, is handling it, do you let him handle it, or do you take matters in to your own hands and settle the case yourself? Until Drew starts having to sit out of workouts and practices, he will probably consider everything Condon says as the correct course of action. Seeing as most of the people here don't have the first clue as to how any of these negotiations happen, I don't see how any of you can say "Drew should know better than his agent how this should be going, why doesn't he fire him?" That makes no sense whatsoever. BS. The lawyer recommends, but you're a fool if you're not keeping yourself well up to speed on what's going on. People fire their lawyers all the time too. So, Ummm, yeah. I'm not saying "Drew should know better than his agent and that he should fire him". Pay attention. What I AM doing is countering the point where someone is suggesting that Drew is clueless of the situation and is mindlessly allowing his agent to direct this circus. Based on what I do know about Drew I doubt very seriously he isn't well aware. Seems as though some are suggesting that Drew will only sign when his agent tells him it's okay to do so. Nonsense. FinSaint likes this.
	C'mon Man...

03-07-2012, 10:39 PM	#30
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by saintfan I'm not stupid or full of crap or any of the other stuff you've laid out. You're not telling me anything I'm not fully aware of. I've been watching professional sports nearly 40 years. I'm not meaning to be rude either. But any assessment of this situation that suggests that Drew has no responsibility and that it's all on his agent is crap, if you'll forgive me for saying so. And I'm not hating. I'm making no assumptions. I don't assume to know what Drew is thinking. All I know is he's been offered the richest contract in the history of the NFL and he refused to sign it. I don't know why. What I DO know is that his agent is stopping him. That's the most ignorant thing I've heard up to now. Drew pays his agent. It's not the other way around. If Condon didn't tell Drew what the offer was (which he doesn't need to unless Drew asks,) then he probably doesn't know. In fact, the more I read about Condon, the more I think he is the type of guy who tells his clients straight up "Don't ask me about offers, and don't let anyone tell you. I will bring it to you when I think it is appropriate."

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