Brees selfish turn

saintfan · 03-07-2012, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

If Condon didn't tell Drew what the offer was (which he doesn't need to unless Drew asks,) then he probably doesn't know. In fact, the more I read about Condon, the more I think he is the type of guy who tells his clients straight up "Don't ask me about offers, and don't let anyone tell you. I will bring it to you when I think it is appropriate."

If you don't think Drew knows what the value of the offer on the table is then I don't know what to say to you. Believe what you want to I guess.

NOLA54 · 03-07-2012, 10:43 PM

Wait & see is the name of the game. Remember these are the opinions of the talking heads/pundints. Opinion is the key word here. None of it is based on any facts that I have heard yet.

saintfan · 03-07-2012, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

Wait & see is the name of the game. Remember these are the opinion of the talking heads/pundints. Opinion is the key word here. None of it is based on any facts that I have heard yet.

True. I take it personal for the group as a whole when we are being told we're stupid. We don't understand. We're being counter-productive. We need to shut the hell up. Excuse me?

If I hire a realtor to sell my house, am I going to review the offers I get or am I going to tell the agent to do what he feels is best? You bet your ass I'm going to review them...very carefully in fact. I will seek the opinion of the agent of course, but I'm in charge. Period.

And would the agent bother to tell me I just got an offer that is more than the history of any other offer in the history of the neighborhood or would he choose to hide that offer from me because he was hopeful of an even better offer? Of course he would tell me. He'd tell me or I'd fire his ass. LOL

This thinking that Drew's agent has complete control and that Drew might potentially not even know how much we offered is, well...that's just nuts. If Drew were unhappy with his agent's performance of COURSE he could fire him, even though it has been suggested here that he can't. That's crap on a stick.

subguy · 03-07-2012, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And he hasn't given any indication that he isn't who we know he is. He is a good man who is committed to New Orleans and the Saints. But, he also knows that his career could end in the first game this season and if he didn't allow his agent to do his best to insure his future he would be ignoring his responsibilty as a husband and a father. I don't know about you, but that would be atop my list as a man.

I agree...but I think I could be as good of a father at 18-20 mil as I could with 23 mil.

saintfan · 03-07-2012, 10:56 PM

This thread is giving me gas. I'm going to bed.

alexonfyre · 03-07-2012, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

True. I take it personal for the group as a whole when we are being told we're stupid. We don't understand. We're being counter-productive. We need to shut the hell up. Excuse me?

If I hire a realtor to sell my house, am I going to review the offers I get or am I going to tell the agent to do what he feels is best? You bet your ass I'm going to review them...very carefully in fact. I will seek the opinion of the agent of course, but I'm in charge. Period.

And would the agent bother to tell me I just got an offer that is more than the history of any other offer in the history of the neighborhood. Of course he would. LOL

This thinking that Drew's agent has complete control and that Drew might potentially not even know how much we offered is, well...that's just nuts. If Drew were unhappy with his agent's performance of COURSE he could fire him, even though it has been suggested here that he can't. That's crap on a stick.

And if your agent tells you that he can get 30% more than that value? And he has a track record of doing so for other people? And people call him the most powerful man in his industry? and you are going to say no 6 months before you are even planning to move? Come on now. Maybe the idea that Drew doesn't know the offer isn't realistic, but the idea that Tom Condon isn't running the show right now is equally so.

QBREES9 · 03-07-2012, 11:29 PM

Ok so at what point does Drew step in say, What The Hell Is Going on ?

Ashley · 03-07-2012, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Asylum

Do you not have a clue? Brees isn't doing any of this. It is Tom Condon, his agent. The player agrees to be TOTALLY hands off once contract negotiations begin. You can try to be pissed at Condon if you wish, but he's just doing his job, too.

As I have tried to explain on this board many times, Condon represents Carl Nicks, as well. Condon surely knew that the Saints could not absorb a $24 million hit per year for the first three years of a contract. He did that to force the Saints to use the tag on Brees, thus letting his other client, Nicks, hit the open market.

A deal will get done.

Grow up, y'all. Get with the program. These things are not as simple as you might think.

I am ashamed to read this crap y'all are spouting with no clue how things work. Do you want to drive Drew away? Keep this **** up.

He has already leaked word that he feels confident a deal will be made. I'm sure that Condon wasn't happy about that.

Dammit, get with the program. Support the team and our QB. They will be together for years to come.

First of all, I am aware how things go. I was confident that a deal would get done before the tag was used on him. Now that it hasn't, I still believe it will get done, and soon.

If your going to start jumping on me because I'm pissed he turned down the one we offered him. Why? Is it because of what his agent has told him? Is it because he wants more up front? I guess your an agent and you know what really is going on? I guess I need to grow up, cause my post will drive Drew away.
Come on this is bs AND don't say that he Drew Brees was not aware of the money being offered to him by this agent. I call B.S., you didn't say this another member did.
If you are keeping up with any of my post, I'm a positive Saint fan, yes after reading the article I was pissed, because it should have gotten done. But it hasn't, I know it will but it's not yet so there for I'm pissed now.
Look Asylum I'm not bashing on you here, I'm a Saint fan just like you, I'm not going to question your loyalty because we don't agree on what is really going on. All we now for sure is no deal is done yet. period

dizzle88 · 03-08-2012, 02:39 AM

Team comes first, drew was quoted saying he wants a team friendly deal and even if it was Condon that demanded the 23 mil, at no point has drew stepped in and said hold on a second, I want to keep this team together who cares about an extra 6 mil.
Like I said team comes first, if drew wants to get paid all that money he must get ready for the team to suffer on defense etc because we can't afford to upgrade every position.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,no player is bigger than the team and I really thought drew wasn't like this and wouldn't turn the contract into a huge issue, but he has and we gotta live with it, he sets up huge expectations if he gets this contract ( multiple SB's )

From my point of view I want to do what's best for the team, would you rather pay drew 23 mil - lose colston and nicks, and get no defensive additions or go in another direction at QB, and upgrade the rest of the team? You decide?

FinSaint · 03-08-2012, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

And if your agent tells you that he can get 30% more than that value? And he has a track record of doing so for other people? And people call him the most powerful man in his industry? and you are going to say no 6 months before you are even planning to move? Come on now. Maybe the idea that Drew doesn't know the offer isn't realistic, but the idea that Tom Condon isn't running the show right now is equally so.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make to AsylumGuido the other day, but he refused to accept it. Naturally, the agent (Condon in this case) is the one who is handling the negotiations while Brees may have no direct contact with the Saints.

But, at the same time, I would be amazed if Brees has handed him total control over the said negotiations as AG has stated numerous times - of course he has the final say-so on the big decisions regarding the contract.

And to come back to your comment alexonfyre, which I quoted above: many of us here have put Brees on a pedestal, which in hindsight was our mistake and shouldn't take anything away from Brees. But, because he is so highly regarded by us and when we read comments from him that state that he wants to keep the team competitive - it's hard to not be disappointed when he turns down contracts that would've made him the highest payed player in the league, simply because he wants more.

Now, this might be just a skewed perception of the negotiations, and I accept the fact that I don't know the details of what goes on behind the closed doors, but to suggest that Brees has no responsibility over what course the negotiations have taken is just something I can't agree with.

To reference the example you gave, Brees could've told Condon at that point - when the agent tells the client he can get him 30% more - to just take what they're offering now, because he doesn't need all that money and would rather see other key FAs signed as well.

I guess that is how my made-up imaginary Drew Brees would've handled this situation, but alas that version of him doesn't exist and I can't hold that against the real version. Still, the whole situation has made me disappointed and that is another thing I can't help.

By the way, saintfan I thought that your earlier comments were on point and I agree with almost all of which you stated.

03-07-2012, 10:40 PM	#31
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by alexonfyre If Condon didn't tell Drew what the offer was (which he doesn't need to unless Drew asks,) then he probably doesn't know. In fact, the more I read about Condon, the more I think he is the type of guy who tells his clients straight up "Don't ask me about offers, and don't let anyone tell you. I will bring it to you when I think it is appropriate." If you don't think Drew knows what the value of the offer on the table is then I don't know what to say to you. Believe what you want to I guess. Speedy Ron likes this.

03-07-2012, 10:49 PM	#33
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by NOLA54 Wait & see is the name of the game. Remember these are the opinion of the talking heads/pundints. Opinion is the key word here. None of it is based on any facts that I have heard yet. True. I take it personal for the group as a whole when we are being told we're stupid. We don't understand. We're being counter-productive. We need to shut the hell up. Excuse me? If I hire a realtor to sell my house, am I going to review the offers I get or am I going to tell the agent to do what he feels is best? You bet your ass I'm going to review them...very carefully in fact. I will seek the opinion of the agent of course, but I'm in charge. Period. And would the agent bother to tell me I just got an offer that is more than the history of any other offer in the history of the neighborhood or would he choose to hide that offer from me because he was hopeful of an even better offer? Of course he would tell me. He'd tell me or I'd fire his ass. LOL This thinking that Drew's agent has complete control and that Drew might potentially not even know how much we offered is, well...that's just nuts. If Drew were unhappy with his agent's performance of COURSE he could fire him, even though it has been suggested here that he can't. That's crap on a stick. FinSaint likes this.
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03-07-2012, 10:54 PM	#34
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,057	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And he hasn't given any indication that he isn't who we know he is. He is a good man who is committed to New Orleans and the Saints. But, he also knows that his career could end in the first game this season and if he didn't allow his agent to do his best to insure his future he would be ignoring his responsibilty as a husband and a father. I don't know about you, but that would be atop my list as a man. I agree...but I think I could be as good of a father at 18-20 mil as I could with 23 mil.

03-07-2012, 10:56 PM	#35
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	This thread is giving me gas. I'm going to bed. Speedy Ron likes this.

03-07-2012, 10:56 PM	#36
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by saintfan True. I take it personal for the group as a whole when we are being told we're stupid. We don't understand. We're being counter-productive. We need to shut the hell up. Excuse me? If I hire a realtor to sell my house, am I going to review the offers I get or am I going to tell the agent to do what he feels is best? You bet your ass I'm going to review them...very carefully in fact. I will seek the opinion of the agent of course, but I'm in charge. Period. And would the agent bother to tell me I just got an offer that is more than the history of any other offer in the history of the neighborhood. Of course he would. LOL This thinking that Drew's agent has complete control and that Drew might potentially not even know how much we offered is, well...that's just nuts. If Drew were unhappy with his agent's performance of COURSE he could fire him, even though it has been suggested here that he can't. That's crap on a stick. And if your agent tells you that he can get 30% more than that value? And he has a track record of doing so for other people? And people call him the most powerful man in his industry? and you are going to say no 6 months before you are even planning to move? Come on now. Maybe the idea that Drew doesn't know the offer isn't realistic, but the idea that Tom Condon isn't running the show right now is equally so.

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03-07-2012, 10:43 PM	#32
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,701 Blog Entries: 1	Wait & see is the name of the game. Remember these are the opinions of the talking heads/pundints. Opinion is the key word here. None of it is based on any facts that I have heard yet.

03-07-2012, 11:29 PM	#37
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Ok so at what point does Drew step in say, What The Hell Is Going on ?

03-07-2012, 11:55 PM	#38
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Originally Posted by Asylum Do you not have a clue? Brees isn't doing any of this. It is Tom Condon, his agent. The player agrees to be TOTALLY hands off once contract negotiations begin. You can try to be pissed at Condon if you wish, but he's just doing his job, too. As I have tried to explain on this board many times, Condon represents Carl Nicks, as well. Condon surely knew that the Saints could not absorb a $24 million hit per year for the first three years of a contract. He did that to force the Saints to use the tag on Brees, thus letting his other client, Nicks, hit the open market. A deal will get done. Grow up, y'all. Get with the program. These things are not as simple as you might think. I am ashamed to read this crap y'all are spouting with no clue how things work. Do you want to drive Drew away? Keep this **** up. He has already leaked word that he feels confident a deal will be made. I'm sure that Condon wasn't happy about that. Dammit, get with the program. Support the team and our QB. They will be together for years to come. First of all, I am aware how things go. I was confident that a deal would get done before the tag was used on him. Now that it hasn't, I still believe it will get done, and soon. If your going to start jumping on me because I'm pissed he turned down the one we offered him. Why? Is it because of what his agent has told him? Is it because he wants more up front? I guess your an agent and you know what really is going on? I guess I need to grow up, cause my post will drive Drew away. Come on this is bs AND don't say that he Drew Brees was not aware of the money being offered to him by this agent. I call B.S., you didn't say this another member did. If you are keeping up with any of my post, I'm a positive Saint fan, yes after reading the article I was pissed, because it should have gotten done. But it hasn't, I know it will but it's not yet so there for I'm pissed now. Look Asylum I'm not bashing on you here, I'm a Saint fan just like you, I'm not going to question your loyalty because we don't agree on what is really going on. All we now for sure is no deal is done yet. period Crusader likes this.
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03-08-2012, 02:39 AM	#39
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Team comes first, drew was quoted saying he wants a team friendly deal and even if it was Condon that demanded the 23 mil, at no point has drew stepped in and said hold on a second, I want to keep this team together who cares about an extra 6 mil. Like I said team comes first, if drew wants to get paid all that money he must get ready for the team to suffer on defense etc because we can't afford to upgrade every position. I've said it before and I'll say it again,no player is bigger than the team and I really thought drew wasn't like this and wouldn't turn the contract into a huge issue, but he has and we gotta live with it, he sets up huge expectations if he gets this contract ( multiple SB's ) From my point of view I want to do what's best for the team, would you rather pay drew 23 mil - lose colston and nicks, and get no defensive additions or go in another direction at QB, and upgrade the rest of the team? You decide? FinSaint likes this.
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03-08-2012, 04:43 AM	#40
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Originally Posted by alexonfyre And if your agent tells you that he can get 30% more than that value? And he has a track record of doing so for other people? And people call him the most powerful man in his industry? and you are going to say no 6 months before you are even planning to move? Come on now. Maybe the idea that Drew doesn't know the offer isn't realistic, but the idea that Tom Condon isn't running the show right now is equally so. This is exactly the point I was trying to make to AsylumGuido the other day, but he refused to accept it. Naturally, the agent (Condon in this case) is the one who is handling the negotiations while Brees may have no direct contact with the Saints. But, at the same time, I would be amazed if Brees has handed him total control over the said negotiations as AG has stated numerous times - of course he has the final say-so on the big decisions regarding the contract. And to come back to your comment alexonfyre, which I quoted above: many of us here have put Brees on a pedestal, which in hindsight was our mistake and shouldn't take anything away from Brees. But, because he is so highly regarded by us and when we read comments from him that state that he wants to keep the team competitive - it's hard to not be disappointed when he turns down contracts that would've made him the highest payed player in the league, simply because he wants more. Now, this might be just a skewed perception of the negotiations, and I accept the fact that I don't know the details of what goes on behind the closed doors, but to suggest that Brees has no responsibility over what course the negotiations have taken is just something I can't agree with. To reference the example you gave, Brees could've told Condon at that point - when the agent tells the client he can get him 30% more - to just take what they're offering now, because he doesn't need all that money and would rather see other key FAs signed as well. I guess that is how my made-up imaginary Drew Brees would've handled this situation, but alas that version of him doesn't exist and I can't hold that against the real version. Still, the whole situation has made me disappointed and that is another thing I can't help. By the way, saintfan I thought that your earlier comments were on point and I agree with almost all of which you stated.
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