Brees selfish turn
 

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i agree...sorry.

Well that makes me more pissed right now after reading that. But thanks for the post.

I'm with you ... Now, we may not know the WHOLE story, but if it is as it's being reported ... The greed got the best of him (errrrr Agent) --- Shameful really.

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let Bobby Hebert ask him that on the Radio... I'd like to hear Drew's answer

Why is everyone saying Brees is selfish/greedy?

Why isn't anyBrone saying anything about Nicks demanding more money than Evans?

Why isn't anyone saying anything about Colston's 'No hometown discount' quote?

They all are deserve to be paid, but we all know that Brees is the engine that makes the Saints machine work.

I don't care if paying Brees hair-lips the Pope, PAY THE MAN!!

lb for lb, Brees is the best QB over the last 6 seasons. Anyway it's disected, he should be the highest paid QB in the NFL. On the other hand, QB is just one one position. Give him the loot and the rest of the team suffers. Defense, special teams....Saints will become a one trick poney. Great scoring ability but everything else will be sub par. Pay him what he wants and the reprocussions will be more sacks, busted defensive plays, and more weight for Brees to carry the team on his lonely. With all the endorsements, what difference does a 3-4 million honestly make. The majority of the players aren't getting cough drop and diaper paychecks. I understand the situation but the big picture is, it's a team game, not an idividual effort like baseball as Wade Boggs use to say. He may the best QB in the game but he can't do it by himself.

Do you not have a clue? Brees isn't doing any of this. It is Tom Condon, his agent. The player agrees to be TOTALLY hands off once contract negotiations begin. You can try to be pissed at Condon if you wish, but he's just doing his job, too.

As I have tried to explain on this board many times, Condon represents Carl Nicks, as well. Condon surely knew that the Saints could not absorb a $24 million hit per year for the first three years of a contract. He did that to force the Saints to use the tag on Brees, thus letting his other client, Nicks, hit the open market.

A deal will get done.

Grow up, y'all. Get with the program. These things are not as simple as you might think.

I am ashamed to read this crap y'all are spouting with no clue how things work. Do you want to drive Drew away? Keep this **** up.

He has already leaked word that he feels confident a deal will be made. I'm sure that Condon wasn't happy about that.

Dammit, get with the program. Support the team and our QB. They will be together for years to come.

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Why is everyone saying Brees is selfish/greedy?
Because alot of articles ave mentioned it... Brees hasn't said anything to squash it

Why isn't anyBrone saying anything about Nicks demanding more money than Evans?
Nicks commented on it himself. He says inflation

Why isn't anyone saying anything about Colston's 'No hometown discount' quote?
He isn't asking 23 million a year plus wasn't given a chance to be the highest paid QB/player in history

They all are deserve to be paid, but we all know that Brees is the engine that makes the Saints machine work.
Saints need a 53 man roster... Not just 1 makes it work

I don't care if paying Brees hair-lips the Pope, PAY THE MAN!!
No comment

More money, more problems

I've tried to stay positive all offseason but Drew's contract and this "bounty" BS sure have made it hard.

He's right, Drew's greed will/could cost the Saints their talented free agents this year

I'm sorry because I know I sound like a broken record with all of my posts lately but I'm sitting here in bed after some face surgery so I'm using my codeine-induced goofiness as an excuse to repeat myself again:

I was raised a Steelers fan. I jumped ship after Roethlisberger started abusing women and the Organization did, essentially, nothing about it.

I thought about bailing on pro-football altogether but I'd always liked Drew Brees; his character, what he means to the city, what he does for the troops...he was the exact opposite of Ben. I felt like he represented everything that football SHOULD be able to do for the community, its fans, etc. Then, right around the time the Ben story broke, I started traveling to New Orleans for work a lot. I got totally caught up in the Super Bowl run and have considered myself a fan since. I've thrown away all my Steelers stuff and my Drew Brees Jersey is the only athlete's jersey I own. I never really liked wearing other guys' jerseys...but it felt appropriate with Drew because he represented so much more than just a guy who could throw a football.

Now, I read stories about Ben restructuring his contract to keep his team together, while Drew can't accept a deal that makes him the highest paid player in the league and will probably result in losing many of the free agents that make up the core of the team.

I am not saying that Ben's willingness to restructure his contract makes everything else he's done okay, nor am I equating Drew's desire for more money with sexual abuse. I'm just saying this has really got me bummed out.

I also recognize that I am not involved with the negotiations and I don't know the whole story. I really hope there is some weird stipulation that is making things unacceptable and it's not just the $$$.

I know I shouldn't be so bummed out. I am too old to be so freaking naive or to be looking up to sports figures (Drew and I are almost exactly the same age). Seeing this stuff just makes me wonder why I bother watching sports at all?

Okay...thanks for reading...going to go pass out now...

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Drew can't answer on the radio. I guarantee his contract with Condon, his agent, spells out that he is not allowed to discuss negotiations.

Chill out and wait. Things will work out.

Good point... I didn't realize that

Back up a few posts and read my response, tale another codeine and chill out. Brees has a much better agent than Ben and much more leverage (ie. he didn't rape a girl).

You're not alone in your feelings, I believed Drew was different then most athletes as well, maybe time will tell but the regular season can't get here fast enough

Players are always restricted by the contracts with their agents from commenting on any aspect. If they weren't it would hamstring the agent's ability to deal. I have no doubt that Brees would have accept an offer much less front-loaded than Condon demanded, but he had to trust his agent to do what was best for him long term.

And he hasn't given any indication that he isn't who we know he is. He is a good man who is committed to New Orleans and the Saints. But, he also knows that his career could end in the first game this season and if he didn't allow his agent to do his best to insure his future he would be ignoring his responsibilty as a husband and a father. I don't know about you, but that would be atop my list as a man.

Nicks and Colston have to know that the main reason they can 'demand' that much money is because of Brees.

Brees isn't allowed to comment on this AT ALL, seriously. Educate yourselves.

Sorry bro,.... I'm not an agent and didn't know these things

I'm done with this ****.Get it done and over with Pay-Loo!
Drew is livid
Drew is confident a deal will be worked out
Drew has gotten greedy
Drew do us a favor clear your head of all this bull**** and get ready to suit up spartan!


This has really frustrated me to no end!Please excuse me for the following emoticon.

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P.S thanks for the sanity Who-Dats I'm beginning to lose mine:smile:

Thanks Guido. Jamessr. WhoDat656.

I do not like fans here turning on Brees.
Why should he not get paid his worth?
Why?
Umm, how many other teams out there would pay him his worth? 31. Ok, not all 31 teams out there need him, but there are quite a few that would jump at the chance to get him.

Brees has been a good ambassador for New Orleans on and off the field. Brees has said in interviews he wants to end his career with the Saints. He is raising his family in N.O. Even after his Saints days, provided he is paid, I would not be surprised if he stays on in N.O. Big fish , small pond thing.

I don't like fans turning on him. He is the only real qb, successful one we ever had.
People here are always knocking Aaron Brooks. I posted the yesterday that they forget to knock: Bobby Hebert, John Fourcade, Richard Todd ( I still cannot figure out not taking Warren Moon, and taking Richard Todd.), 2nd qb Dave Wilson with Kenny Stabler. Stabler was at the end of his career. Jim Everett stopped over at the Saints to pick up some money at the end of his career.
The list of Saints so-so, mediocre qbs' consists of every qb we ever had.

Saints need to pay Brees well in a good, tight contract for two years.
I think he has a good two years left. I think the Saints have a good playoffs and SB try for this year. After that, we are going to be on the rebuilding end.
Right now, this team under SeanP and his staff seem to be refilling spots with really good, key people like Graham, Sproles.
Spags as DC seems like a good choice.

These good years of the Saints will not last. They don't last for any team. Ask Jerry Jones. Lets enjoy these years while they last.
I remember all the bad years. I have not been to a Saints game since the early, maybe mid 1990's.
I had access to season tickets from 1977 to early/mid 1990's.
Some of those were sad years. Even the good years, well, I had no idea, LOL, like many Saints 'fans, 9-7, 8-8, Wild Card Playoff , etc. was not that great. The days of wishing, depending on if X team lost in that division and Y team won in that division, well, then the Saints could secure a Wild Card PO game.
Oh gosh!

Pay Brees!!!!!

We did. He rejected an offer that would make him the highest paid player in the entire NFL, TWICE!!!

SIGN THE DAMN THING DREW!!!

And fire Condon!!!!

The player 'agrees' right up to the point where he disagrees. Agents are fired all the time. Nobody here thinks it's 'simple'. Fact is if Drew wanted this to be over it would be over. Agent or no agent. You CANNOT relieve Drew of any responsibility. This particular agent wasn't assigned to Drew. Drew chose HIM, and he has a reputation for what we are witnessing, the agent I mean.

What's to stop Drew from saying, "look, I don't feel right holding the team hostage like this. They have offered me a contract that makes me the highest paid player in the history of the league. I want to sign it."

Are you really suggesting that his agent is in total control and that Drew is merely at his agent's mercy? If that's what you think then, yeah, somebody doesn't have a clue alright.

The team is not being held hostage. Nothing is going on that doesn't happen all the time in negotiations. It just happens to be with your team this time.It has been only two frickin' days since the franchise deadline hit. They have until July 15th to work out the deal.

All of this hate from y'all is counter-productive. I'm not meaning to be rude by saying this, but people need to just shut the hell up and let things work themselves out.

Actually yeah. If you break your leg in a store, and your attorney, who you hired for his reputation of being one of the best, is handling it, do you let him handle it, or do you take matters in to your own hands and settle the case yourself?
Until Drew starts having to sit out of workouts and practices, he will probably consider everything Condon says as the correct course of action.
Seeing as most of the people here don't have the first clue as to how any of these negotiations happen, I don't see how any of you can say "Drew should know better than his agent how this should be going, why doesn't he fire him?" That makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm not stupid or full of crap or any of the other stuff you've laid out. You're not telling me anything I'm not fully aware of. I've been watching professional sports nearly 40 years.

I'm not meaning to be rude either. But any assessment of this situation that suggests that Drew has no responsibility and that it's all on his agent is crap, if you'll forgive me for saying so.

And I'm not hating. I'm making no assumptions. I don't assume to know what Drew is thinking. All I know is he's been offered the richest contract in the history of the NFL and he refused to sign it. I don't know why. What I DO know is that his agent isn't stopping him. That's the most ignorant thing I've heard up to now. Drew pays his agent. It's not the other way around.

BS. The lawyer recommends, but you're a fool if you're not keeping yourself well up to speed on what's going on. People fire their lawyers all the time too. So, Ummm, yeah.

I'm not saying "Drew should know better than his agent and that he should fire him". Pay attention. What I AM doing is countering the point where someone is suggesting that Drew is clueless of the situation and is mindlessly allowing his agent to direct this circus.

Based on what I do know about Drew I doubt very seriously he isn't well aware. Seems as though some are suggesting that Drew will only sign when his agent tells him it's okay to do so. Nonsense.

If Condon didn't tell Drew what the offer was (which he doesn't need to unless Drew asks,) then he probably doesn't know. In fact, the more I read about Condon, the more I think he is the type of guy who tells his clients straight up "Don't ask me about offers, and don't let anyone tell you. I will bring it to you when I think it is appropriate."

If you don't think Drew knows what the value of the offer on the table is then I don't know what to say to you. Believe what you want to I guess.

Wait & see is the name of the game. Remember these are the opinions of the talking heads/pundints. Opinion is the key word here. None of it is based on any facts that I have heard yet.

True. I take it personal for the group as a whole when we are being told we're stupid. We don't understand. We're being counter-productive. We need to shut the hell up. Excuse me?

If I hire a realtor to sell my house, am I going to review the offers I get or am I going to tell the agent to do what he feels is best? You bet your ass I'm going to review them...very carefully in fact. I will seek the opinion of the agent of course, but I'm in charge. Period.

And would the agent bother to tell me I just got an offer that is more than the history of any other offer in the history of the neighborhood or would he choose to hide that offer from me because he was hopeful of an even better offer? Of course he would tell me. He'd tell me or I'd fire his ass. LOL

This thinking that Drew's agent has complete control and that Drew might potentially not even know how much we offered is, well...that's just nuts. If Drew were unhappy with his agent's performance of COURSE he could fire him, even though it has been suggested here that he can't. That's crap on a stick.

I agree...but I think I could be as good of a father at 18-20 mil as I could with 23 mil.

This thread is giving me gas. I'm going to bed.

And if your agent tells you that he can get 30% more than that value? And he has a track record of doing so for other people? And people call him the most powerful man in his industry? and you are going to say no 6 months before you are even planning to move? Come on now. Maybe the idea that Drew doesn't know the offer isn't realistic, but the idea that Tom Condon isn't running the show right now is equally so.

Ok so at what point does Drew step in say, What The Hell Is Going on ?

First of all, I am aware how things go. I was confident that a deal would get done before the tag was used on him. Now that it hasn't, I still believe it will get done, and soon.

If your going to start jumping on me because I'm pissed he turned down the one we offered him. Why? Is it because of what his agent has told him? Is it because he wants more up front? I guess your an agent and you know what really is going on? I guess I need to grow up, cause my post will drive Drew away.
Come on this is bs AND don't say that he Drew Brees was not aware of the money being offered to him by this agent. I call B.S., you didn't say this another member did.
If you are keeping up with any of my post, I'm a positive Saint fan, yes after reading the article I was pissed, because it should have gotten done. But it hasn't, I know it will but it's not yet so there for I'm pissed now.
Look Asylum I'm not bashing on you here, I'm a Saint fan just like you, I'm not going to question your loyalty because we don't agree on what is really going on. All we now for sure is no deal is done yet. period

Team comes first, drew was quoted saying he wants a team friendly deal and even if it was Condon that demanded the 23 mil, at no point has drew stepped in and said hold on a second, I want to keep this team together who cares about an extra 6 mil.
Like I said team comes first, if drew wants to get paid all that money he must get ready for the team to suffer on defense etc because we can't afford to upgrade every position.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,no player is bigger than the team and I really thought drew wasn't like this and wouldn't turn the contract into a huge issue, but he has and we gotta live with it, he sets up huge expectations if he gets this contract ( multiple SB's )

From my point of view I want to do what's best for the team, would you rather pay drew 23 mil - lose colston and nicks, and get no defensive additions or go in another direction at QB, and upgrade the rest of the team? You decide?

This is exactly the point I was trying to make to AsylumGuido the other day, but he refused to accept it. Naturally, the agent (Condon in this case) is the one who is handling the negotiations while Brees may have no direct contact with the Saints.

But, at the same time, I would be amazed if Brees has handed him total control over the said negotiations as AG has stated numerous times - of course he has the final say-so on the big decisions regarding the contract.

And to come back to your comment alexonfyre, which I quoted above: many of us here have put Brees on a pedestal, which in hindsight was our mistake and shouldn't take anything away from Brees. But, because he is so highly regarded by us and when we read comments from him that state that he wants to keep the team competitive - it's hard to not be disappointed when he turns down contracts that would've made him the highest payed player in the league, simply because he wants more.

Now, this might be just a skewed perception of the negotiations, and I accept the fact that I don't know the details of what goes on behind the closed doors, but to suggest that Brees has no responsibility over what course the negotiations have taken is just something I can't agree with.

To reference the example you gave, Brees could've told Condon at that point - when the agent tells the client he can get him 30% more - to just take what they're offering now, because he doesn't need all that money and would rather see other key FAs signed as well.

I guess that is how my made-up imaginary Drew Brees would've handled this situation, but alas that version of him doesn't exist and I can't hold that against the real version. Still, the whole situation has made me disappointed and that is another thing I can't help.

By the way, saintfan I thought that your earlier comments were on point and I agree with almost all of which you stated.